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Post by MiG on Sept 3, 2008 13:59:11 GMT -5
A Titograd?
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Post by kapetan on Sept 4, 2008 16:32:50 GMT -5
Why would the other Balkan countries want to join what is now called the "Western Balkans, which is Ex-Yugoslavia minus Slovenia, plus Albania)?
It's like letting into your nice quiet party the guys you KNOW will eventualy start some stupid s**t and evntualy you got a dead stripper on your hands with a kilo of coke on the table and the police knocking on the door to check the disturbance.
I don't want the old Yugoslavia to ever happen again. It was a mistake to force lands that have so much indidividual history together into one, it only lasted such a short time and that's a sign. Twice it went through a breakup process, and the second time it stayed broken up unlike in WW2. As it should in my opinion.
Only thing I might agree too is a Balkan confdederacy as a whole, maybe. Or lat least some kind of Balkan Union, even if its not all one country. Cuz we all share that location, mentality and close history. That way we could wreack havoc on others together, insted of on eachother holla!
But on the real, f**k Yugoslavia as we know it.
Then there's people who'd raher have the "green transversal" thing going from Bosnia through Sandzak to kosovo and to Albania.
There was talk of that during the early 90's when they knew it would come to war, that Kosovo and Sandzak should uprise at the same time as Bosnia and Croatia already did.
if Kosovo war broke out then it would'vve been different since serbs would've had to fight on all sides. it didnt work out though for whatever reason albanians stayed quiet for the time. "non violent" resistence which failed miserably.
EDIT: But I'm curious for the people saying it will and should happen, why is that? Fill me in.
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Post by MiG on Sept 4, 2008 20:55:48 GMT -5
Because together we can build something strong and unbreakable that could be huge for Europe.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 5, 2008 0:19:56 GMT -5
Because together we can build something strong and unbreakable that could be huge for Europe. Unbreakable? .................I think you know the obvious response to that lolz But what makes you think people want that? Last time I checked like 3% of Serbians would say yes to that. Probly the same elsewhere. Croatia and Bosnia and Kosovo lost so much to gain independance....and now just go back on it?
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Post by MiG on Sept 5, 2008 0:38:07 GMT -5
Well obviously not fuse them together and go all willy-nilly. I would like to see a Confederation-like country between the nations in the Balkans. If we ran our own shit, others wouldn't come into it. There would be plenty of us in the Confed./Union to keep the others in check. An equilibrium could be created by laws and etc. What makes me think what people want? I don't think that, but eventually, things will change, and people might want such a thing. If it wasn't for World War 1, BiH, just like Croatia, would be a State of the United States of Greater Austria.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 5, 2008 1:14:58 GMT -5
I'm very skeptical that it will happen but we'll see.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 5, 2008 1:39:15 GMT -5
the break-up of Yugo was a real bitch for people like me, who come from mixed ethnic backgrounds...A REAL BITCH...gods the early 90s were no happy time
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Post by MiG on Sept 5, 2008 1:54:56 GMT -5
^ Jebiga. How do you think it was for me, a Croat, smack dab in the middle of BiH?
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Post by kapetan on Sept 5, 2008 2:50:53 GMT -5
the break-up of Yugo was a real b***h for people like me, who come from mixed ethnic backgrounds...A REAL b***h...gods the early 90s were no happy time You're half Serb or Bosniak? ^ Jebiga. How do you think it was for me, a Croat, smack dab in the middle of BiH? I assume you were in a Croat area though? I was in Serb teritory :\ Anyway guys like HOS were cool by me (obvious reasons, they had a ton of bosniaks, i think even a majority at one point but i could be wrong)....HOV not so much. Who did you support? if either?
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Post by MiG on Sept 5, 2008 3:47:09 GMT -5
the break-up of Yugo was a real b***h for people like me, who come from mixed ethnic backgrounds...A REAL b***h...gods the early 90s were no happy time You're half Serb or Bosniak? ^ Jebiga. How do you think it was for me, a Croat, smack dab in the middle of BiH? I assume you were in a Croat area though? I was in Serb teritory :\ Anyway guys like HOS were cool by me (obvious reasons, they had a ton of bosniaks, i think even a majority at one point but i could be wrong)....HOV not so much. Who did you support? if either? Marko is Serb/Croat. But me, for the majority of duration of the war, I was in Central Bosnia (Kakanj), a township of 70% Croats at the beginning of the war. Then when shit hit the fan in 1993 with the Bosniak-Croat War, Bosniaks surrounded our town (I don't even know how, since the Croats had all the equipment and manpower to hold it), and we had weekly bombardments after that shit. Dude the amount of shit I witnessed during that war, and the amount of shit I saw (even felt), is too much to bare even to this day. As for your question, I didn't/don't support any side in BiH (Serbs, because they killed family I had elsewhere in BiH.. Bosniaks for the same reason.. Croats for the same reason, and because they left us defenseless). I express kindness towards Bosniaks because somehow they got caught off guard, as a people, and because of a certain person that showed kindness towards my grandmother (Which is a different story altogether, and an awesome person/people that man and his family are). My father served for the HV/HVO, Special Forces, just like he was in the JNA. Yet I still feel closer to Croats from Croatia than Croats from parts of BiH where the Ultranationalists breed.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 5, 2008 4:50:13 GMT -5
Funny how amongst all the hate and killing some great examples of humanity are shown huh? Like the ones that helpled you. And it has nothing to do with who is what.
My dad also helped and gave a home for a while to a half serb, half croat soldier who basicly just escaped the slaughter when bosniak paramilitiaries swooped in on the serb soldiers holding him prisoner.
I guess you just don't think or care what the guy is in that moment when you see how helpless and "innocent" he seems. even though who knows what kind of sick shit he might've been doing himself just a week ago.
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Post by MiG on Sept 5, 2008 10:10:44 GMT -5
Funny how amongst all the hate and killing some great examples of humanity are shown huh? Like the ones that helpled you. And it has nothing to do with who is what. My dad also helped and gave a home for a while to a half serb, half croat soldier who basicly just escaped the slaughter when bosniak paramilitiaries swooped in on the serb soldiers holding him prisoner. I guess you just don't think or care what the guy is in that moment when you see how helpless and "innocent" he seems. even though who knows what kind of sick s**t he might've been doing himself just a week ago. Well the guy that my grandma took in was a Bosniak in the ABiH. She had two houses, one large, and one small. The people in the neighbourhood (Majority Muslims) urged him to kick my grandma out of the large house so he can take it. I'll never forget what he said though; "Kad sam doso, niko mi nije pruzijo ruku od vas, nego samo ona. Sram vas bilo i stid. Ova zena je bolja od mojih ljudi hiljadu puta." A good man he is. Lives in Sarajevo now. But one the note of the war. It's a damn shame it happened. It never should have happened. They could've agreed on something, and if they wanted separation, they could have done it gradually, and slowly (Like the Czechs and Slovaks). I come from a family that embraces Unity and Brotherhood over nationalism, because that is the only time our people's prospects flourished. It might have not been the best for everyone collectively, but it worked while the right leader was there. You might not understand how I view this (Former Yugoslavia), and I might not be able to explain it in such a way that might give you even the slightest hint. But when you think about it, our people never had more peace and prosperity, ever in our history, than they did in Yugoslavia.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 6, 2008 1:06:38 GMT -5
Like Mig said, im Serb/Croat, mom Croat from Rijeka, dad Krajina Serb.
Like Mig's family my own was also pro Yugoslav, and the war hit hard. My grandpa on my dads side, a Serb but he always identified as a Yugoslav (was in the UDBA) was killed in 95 by a mortar in Bosnia. Well he died 3 weeks later of his wounds in a military hospital in Belgrade. On of my cousins was in the HV, had both of his legs nearly completely shot off by a Machine gun in Slavonia.
My dad refused to fight when they called him up, and he refused to help the Serb rebels, so Germany it was for us. Everybody here on this forum has stories about the war, well most of us, but sometimes people forget about that small minority of us who even in war time still stuck to the Yugoslav identity, and suffered accordingly.
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Post by Demonel on Sept 6, 2008 8:18:55 GMT -5
I noticed that people who talk about suffering the most were absent during the war.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 6, 2008 12:41:19 GMT -5
What?
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 6, 2008 23:32:03 GMT -5
I guess I should consider myself lucky to have been in Croatia and not Bosnia... Its ironic that my parents were considering for us to flee to Bosnia when the shooting started in Croatia, grandpa wanted us to go to his vikendica, since it was "safe" there. It was quite a nice Vikendica, communist party privilege I guess; somehow it became a military target.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 7, 2008 3:01:37 GMT -5
Serbs and Romanians always looked to each other as friends; after all we share a common religion, common mentality, and have never had any serious conflicts in our histories. Well they both have the same origin mostly, eventhough some serbs do originate from the iran area, where that foreign name serb comes from. But if anything the more native inhabitants of the balkans, Croats and Montenegrins, are closer to the Romanians.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 7, 2008 3:40:00 GMT -5
lolz
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Post by MiG on Sept 7, 2008 18:03:42 GMT -5
All in all, the Balkans has made our people a bunch of sexy bitches, and nobody can say shit against that!
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Post by srbobran on Sept 7, 2008 21:22:44 GMT -5
YEAH. I came back from Serbia like 10 days ago and I can say that in Belgrade its one hot woman after another, 24 hour boner just walking through the streets.
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