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Post by Japodian on Aug 26, 2008 8:41:29 GMT -5
Vidi ti ovo čovječe, prislinio na tuđe janje, a kod sebe lonca nema! ;D
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Post by Japodian on Aug 26, 2008 8:29:16 GMT -5
Big part of the Partisans weren't even communists in the beginning but also people from other political backgrounds [for example Radićevci] as well and also many communists from the movement were from the Spanish war where communist didn't approve Stalin's actions at all and the idea of communism was quite different.
As for collaboration as I know during battle on Neretva river it was Draza's Chetniks who helped Ustashas and Germans against the Partisans, as I remember there was no such joint action between Partisans and occupation forces. Also there was even before a collaboration in destroying Užice Republic. So telling Partisans that they were collaborators because of the unsuccessful ceasefire meetings and in the same time saying Chetniks who actually helped occupation forces in military actions weren't is at the lowest degree hypocritical. I really do not understand what logical composition can make such an conclusion.
I just would ask you how effective would the battle be if there was "war" based on Draza's ideology. Heck just look at a similar tactical stuff like French Resistance. What did they do, actually nothing effective. Full scale resistance was only thing which drove away the Germans and the Italians, and excuse me in that battle not only Serbs but also many Croats, Slovenes, Montenegrins, Muslims, Albanians and Macedonians gave their life. Yes it is a pity that many people died - but they started actually something with their actions, made effective guerilla warfare and full scale battles on all fronts and actually disabled the enemy...
I mentioned that Partisans weren't angels but the maniacal nature of the crimes done by Chetniks makes it totally unrelationable, while Partisan sometimes killed collaborators and unlawfully took peoples properties, Chetniks were systematically killing non Serb population for the idea of fascist Greater Serbia. In their ideology made on Draza's orders they were not so different from facist Ustashas and Handzar...
People often forget that Draza quite well collaborated with Italians, which even helped him in Foča to stop the Ustasha counter attack. The same Italians which helped killings of Serbs in Kosovo. Also if you talk about the investment, Draza got his money till 1943. from U.S. and Britain and used all of it to fight alongside Nazis against the Partisans, while the British and the U.S. gave him money to actually fight the Nazis. What a stupid thing to and after that to expect more help. Naturally Allies then helped Partisans because they were the only Nazi fighting current in Yugoslavia.
As for that stories about fighting to the last bullet, that you can sell to some little children, not to me. In the end no matter what you say about before Draza led Nedic's army which were acclaimed fascists. Mihailovic was actually just following the royalist repression on different political and national groups as it was done during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, especially after 6th of January dictature, and used the help of Nazi and Fasicst occupation forces to destroy those groups. He may presented himself as freedom fighter but he was not one.
As for "Gluvi Barut" I watched the film and I think you missed the point. I recommend the original book from Branko Ćopić.
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Post by Japodian on Aug 26, 2008 6:49:27 GMT -5
Woooow! O.K. I know that you family has really beautiful members, but you should have written an caution message "Careful, this picture contains extremely hot women! Take care of your eyes and your tongue! Eye fixation and tongue drolling on the floor danger!" I hope I do not sound to intrusive, but that is one beautiful cousin you got Nilo! ;D Local concert, me and my favorite liquid! :-) Well, I would like to not comment this one... ;D
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Post by Japodian on Aug 26, 2008 2:39:32 GMT -5
This is such a big load of bs, that even Antonov An-225 Mriya couldn't take off with it inside...
There was no Partisan movement until June 22nd 1941. Hitler killed and prosecuted Communists in Germany, why would he collaborate with them in Yugoslavia? Typical example of typical Chetnik bs.
And what a resistance tactics Draza created then, the tactics of running away from Germans in the beginning and collaborating after, the tactics of plundering the villages of your own people, the tactics of not doing anything to protect your people from Ustashe... Some of a hero Chetniks have...
No matter what they are trying invent or imagine, the end result is the same, it was the Partisans, not the Chetniks, who defeated Germans in WWII, and although I also do not consider Partisans to be angels they proved their anti-fascism and anti-Nazism with their deeds, not with some unreliable so-called documents like other...
Soviets, British and Americans also negotiated cease fire with Germans and Japanese during WWII, does that make them collaborators... Really what kind of logic is that...
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Post by Japodian on Aug 26, 2008 2:07:23 GMT -5
I think the capital of New Yugoslavia should be Jajce! Many imprtant things happened there and it's kind of symbolic.
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Post by Japodian on Aug 26, 2008 2:04:17 GMT -5
The article this woman wrote is for me in the category of "couldn't care less" articles. People may talk about preferences, but it is actually the egocentric point of personal opinion if you try to impose it. I could also write that I love Asian or Hindi women [which I do very, very much] and say that all other which do not prefer them are wrong. Come on what a stupid thing to say that your preference is the only right one... Also I can't understand that Americans still have the need to talk in the categories of races. Like Russell Peters would say: "In the end we will all become a mix of Hindu and Chinese! Beige!", like it matters to whom you sleep to today...
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Post by Japodian on Aug 23, 2008 16:51:07 GMT -5
^ Chances are the Illyrians were Vlachs of which people who lurk these forums speak ill of for some reason. Tako je! Vlasi svi i svuda! Vlachs all and everywhere!
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Post by Japodian on Aug 22, 2008 14:58:49 GMT -5
Persian, Turkish, Mongol, Russian, Arab and Xhosa...
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Post by Japodian on Aug 13, 2008 8:51:38 GMT -5
Ili se radi o maloumnim klincima koji nemaju pametnijeg posla ili o idiotima kriminalcima kojima treba jedno par godina robije da nauče pošteno zarađivati kruh...
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Post by Japodian on Aug 13, 2008 8:49:00 GMT -5
Japodian, I see you do a lot of software programing on your PC. Are you by any chance studying software engineering or maybe are an engineer or programmer? I am currently a graduate student of theoretical physics in Zagreb. We also need quite a lot of programing and computer algebra systems for simulations, calculations and data analysis.
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Post by Japodian on Aug 12, 2008 8:20:35 GMT -5
Desktop computer: Midi tower Gigabyte 7N400S-L motherboard AMD Sempron 2800+ 2 x 1 GB of DDR RAM 160 GB of hard drive 2 x CD/DVD player/writer 1.44MB Floppy drive ATI Radeon 9600Pro, 256 MB OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 & Ubuntu 8.04 400 W power supply Although by some international trend it is not something, I am content with it... It is quite enough for Mathematica, Maple, Matlab, programming in Fortran, C, C++, C#..., multimedia and Warhammer 40k :-) [Anyone playing it? :-D]...
Notebook: Acer 7720ZG Intel DualCore T2310 1,46 GHz 2 MB cache 2 GB DDR2 160 GB HD SATA nVidia GeForce 8400GS 256 MB 56K/LAN/WLAN 5-in-1 card reader IEEE1394 TV Out OS: Microsoft Vista Home Premium [Will change it soon since this one is getting annoying!]
Plan in the following time to buy an new Intel processor based desktop PC sine AMD has some issues with themselves for a while!
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Post by Japodian on Aug 10, 2008 5:49:28 GMT -5
Japodian is both a Serb [father side] and a Croat [mother side], has deep and old roots in both nations, being equally proud on both of them. Vojvodina is a part of Republic of Serbia, it is quite a tolerant and calm area with many nationalities living together in peace, troublemakers are really a rare deviation. Actually you could more talk about the common investment from Hungary and Serbia to Vojvodina, than trying to create unnecessary confrontation. Territories are gained and lost through centuries, for once start to think about people and stop thinking about territorial claims, people of Vojvodina, be it Hungarian, Serbian, Romanian, Slovak, Rusyn or Croat don't need another quarrel, but a bread on their table and a smile on their faces.
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Post by Japodian on Aug 8, 2008 21:00:44 GMT -5
My best friends surname is Bočkor (originally Bocskor)! As he told me it means "village shoe". Is there a specific region of Hungary where this surname is common, or was it just created on the basis of profession. I have a hunch it is more connected with Debrecen but I am not sure and might be wrong about it...
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Post by Japodian on Aug 8, 2008 20:43:34 GMT -5
I hope all of this will calm down soon and finally something would be done about this question which stands for at least 16 years. Now somebody will say Georgians are guilty or Ossetians are guilty, but it doesn't matter, the fact is that both did each other wrong and should solve this by diplomacy not by some Balkans/Caucasus recipe ethnic cleansing...
The thing which concerns Russia and USA the most in this region is the future of the Caspian-Black Sea pipeline, and both are in pat position since the region is influentally divided more then ever by foreign powers...
I respect Georgians, Ossetians and Abkhazians equally, have been influenced by their music quite, but I still consider Saakashvili to be an power addict fascist A*****e! This situation now by my opinion is of his making since he needs to create enemies to stay in power in Georgia... He is not just intimidating national minorities, but also his own people which are part of political opposition...
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Post by Japodian on Aug 8, 2008 11:09:54 GMT -5
Just watched the opening! Really beautiful what Chinese did with it! Now I am transfering myself in handball mode... Ajmo naši! :-)
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Post by Japodian on Aug 8, 2008 10:51:22 GMT -5
Saakashivili was always an US asskisser and fascist... I will always remember how he and his so called "police" treated the protests in Tiflis two years ago... As for those making fun from Ossetian and Abkhazian independence movement I will just say this: "Shame on you, you hypocritical b*****s, when you were attacked you were whining all around the world, now when somebody is suffering you make fun of them, I disgust you US asskissers..."
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Post by Japodian on Aug 4, 2008 6:54:12 GMT -5
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Post by Japodian on Aug 4, 2008 6:12:31 GMT -5
Ja na slici jedino prepoznajem Timbeta iz 43 zla...
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Post by Japodian on Aug 2, 2008 6:39:18 GMT -5
Jao ljudi kako vam se da... Stvarno razumijem našu akademsku elitu i ljude sa imalo mozga kada bježe kao mahniti odavde... Pun im je kufer i Dodika, i Alije, i Tuđmana, i Karadžića, i Mladića, i Silajdžića, i svih ostalih g****a, pa bježe iz zemlje, dok ta ista zemlja postaje zaostalija i zaostalija... Dokle god će narodi biti žrtve demagogije neće biti mira u Bosni... J***m ja njima svima mater, jedni mi staviše ljagu zbog toga što sam Srbin, drugi mi staviše ljagu zbog toga što sam Hrvat, a treći me j**u u zdrav mozak zbog toga što želim da hodam sa Bošnjakinjom, a ja i moja familija nikog pipnuli nismo... Mamu im j***m zvjersku, e nema podjele Bosne, koliko god ću moći boriti ću se da mi ti kreteni ne oduzmu još i to... Jedinstvena Bosna, zemlja Bosanaca!
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Post by Japodian on Aug 1, 2008 16:30:48 GMT -5
Mislim ta je to to........ ;D Fajront A jok! Ontologija! ;D
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