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Post by Patrinos on Dec 6, 2011 10:19:05 GMT -5
what's going on here guys? akoma guys like rexopoulos still around...?
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 30, 2011 10:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 21, 2011 5:46:42 GMT -5
add a vowel there. you'll brake your tongue.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 20, 2011 17:40:36 GMT -5
paixe kana tetoio ore minara, pou'sai kai Ipirotis...
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 20, 2011 17:38:51 GMT -5
Lithuanian.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 16, 2011 6:52:24 GMT -5
(i assume you know the band, dontcha !) what is it? Halkias feat Kyritsis?
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 5, 2011 12:55:34 GMT -5
Gjerasim Qiriazi? This name/surname is as much albanian as Gjergi Kastrioti and Konstantin Kristoforidhi... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjerasim_QiriaziWeid names in his family...Sevasti, Paraskevi, Gjergj...
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 1, 2011 16:15:03 GMT -5
By
MARK MAZOWER
YESTERDAY, the whole world was watching Greece as its Parliament voted to pass a divisive package of austerity measures that could have critical ramifications for the global financial system. It may come as a surprise that this tiny tip of the Balkan Peninsula could command such attention. We usually think of Greece as the home of Plato and Pericles, its real importance lying deep in antiquity. But this is hardly the first time that to understand Europe’s future, you need to turn away from the big powers at the center of the continent and look closely at what is happening in Athens. For the past 200 years, Greece has been at the forefront of Europe’s evolution.
In the 1820s, as it waged a war of independence against the Ottoman Empire, Greece became an early symbol of escape from the prison house of empire. For philhellenes, its resurrection represented the noblest of causes. “In the great morning of the world,” Shelley wrote in “Hellas,” his poem about the country’s struggle for independence, “Freedom’s splendor burst and shone!” Victory would mean liberty’s triumph not only over the Turks but also over all those dynasts who had kept so many Europeans enslaved. Germans, Italians, Poles and Americans flocked to fight under the Greek blue and white for the sake of democracy. And within a decade, the country won its freedom.
Over the next century, the radically new combination of constitutional democracy and ethnic nationalism that Greece embodied spread across the continent, culminating in “the peace to end all peace” at the end of the First World War, when the Ottoman, Hapsburg and Russian empires disintegrated and were replaced by nation-states.
In the aftermath of the First World War, Greece again paved the way for Europe’s future. Only now it was democracy’s dark side that came to the fore. In a world of nation-states, ethnic minorities like Greece’s Muslim population and the Orthodox Christians of Asia Minor were a recipe for international instability. In the early 1920s, Greek and Turkish leaders decided to swap their minority populations, expelling some two million Christians and Muslims in the interest of national homogeneity. The Greco-Turkish population exchange was the largest such organized refugee movement in history to that point and a model that the Nazis and others would point to later for displacing peoples in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and India.
It is ironic, then, that Greece was in the vanguard of resistance to the Nazis, too. In the winter of 1940-41, it was the first country to fight back effectively against the Axis powers, humiliating Mussolini in the Greco-Italian war while the rest of Europe cheered. And many cheered again a few months later when a young left-wing resistance fighter named Manolis Glezos climbed the Acropolis one night with a friend and pulled down a swastika flag that the Germans had recently unfurled. (Almost 70 years later, Mr. Glezos would be tear-gassed by the Greek police while protesting the austerity program.) Ultimately, however, Greece succumbed to German occupation. Nazi rule brought with it political disintegration, mass starvation and, after liberation, the descent of the country into outright civil war between Communist and anti-Communist forces.
Only a few years after Hitler’s defeat, Greece found itself in the center of history again, as a front line in the cold war. In 1947, President Harry S. Truman used the intensifying civil war there to galvanize Congress behind the Truman Doctrine and his sweeping peacetime commitment of American resources to fight Communism and rebuild Europe. Suddenly elevated into a trans-Atlantic cause, Greece now stood for a very different Europe — one that had crippled itself by tearing itself apart, whose only path out of the destitution of the mid-1940s was as a junior partner with Washington. As the dollars poured in, American advisers sat in Athens telling Greek policy makers what to do and American napalm scorched the Greek mountains as the Communists were put to flight.
European political and economic integration was supposed to end the weakness and dependency of the divided continent, and here, too, Greece was an emblem of a new phase in its history. The fall of its military dictatorship in 1974 not only brought the country full membership in what would become the European Union; it also (along with the transitions in Spain and Portugal at the same time) prefigured the global democratization wave of the 1980s and ’90s, first in South America and Southeast Asia and then in Eastern Europe. And it gave the European Union the taste for enlargement and the ambition to turn itself from a small club of wealthy Western European states into a voice for the newly democratic continent as a whole, extending far to the south and east.
And now today, after the euphoria of the ’90s has faded and a new modesty sets in among the Europeans, it falls again to Greece to challenge the mandarins of the European Union and to ask what lies ahead for the continent. The European Union was supposed to shore up a fragmented Europe, to consolidate its democratic potential and to transform the continent into a force capable of competing on the global stage. It is perhaps fitting that one of Europe’s oldest and most democratic nation-states should be on the new front line, throwing all these achievements into question. For we are all small powers now, and once again Greece is in the forefront of the fight for the future.
Mark Mazower is a professor of history at Columbia University.
Τhe New York Times 29.06.2011
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 1, 2011 14:51:10 GMT -5
Do you have any idea of the height of the Greece's debt and deficit? In that kind of situations only the state can put the engine back to work. Private initiatives follow. If the government could inspire the Greeks that all that extremely tough measures will have a result then things would be simple. But look at the statistics. The optimistic scenario is in 2015 to have the samey percentage of debt! ... When supposedly growth of the GDP will come again and the road to wealth will be open again...
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 1, 2011 14:32:13 GMT -5
Btw, where are those touted Greek maritime giants that you Greeks seem to be so proud of? Where are their billions that could help ease the current situation? I'm guessing safely sealed in off-shore investments, away from the needy hands of the people that birthed them, perhaps? kalos ton alvano... These ...giants are businessmen and can't risk their capitals to lame hands like that of Papakonstantinou and aliens-in-economy like Venizelos... not to talk about Yorgakis now... Well, since you referred to them, yesterday I've learned about the Stavros Niarchos foundation plan for this: 450 million € investment in this period is a good thing.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 1, 2011 14:19:08 GMT -5
Chronia kai zamania... hey mods...some hacked Kastorianos' account
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 1, 2011 14:02:11 GMT -5
Hunda (with Papadopoulos) was created/conceived/implemented/maintained by USA/UK and dropped also by USA/UK when it no longer aligned/served their policies. No real revolution happened, not in 67 and certainly not in 74. BUT, if a new Hunda could appear and have an horizon to work for at least 100 years, then this place could change. IMO, the ideal system would be like - a new ideological background, away from the ancient/byzantine hysterical lies and deceptions - BETTER communication with our NATURAL friends (the rest of the balkans) - SEVERE discipline, GOOD manners, pursuit of PERFECTION, LOGIC in all fields - Direct ANTAGONISM with the rest of the balkan countries - Direct cooperation with the rest of the balkan countries - Two official languages : a) One Cretan-Cypriot : True Greek and b) One hybrid : neo-greek, with any Vlah/Slav additions, as they are spoken in the mainland (Horiatika) The b) above is of huge importance, you simply cannot have a nation be productive and innovative when you have butchered their soul with this ancient-wanna be madness which creates only embarassment. Neo-greeks *CANNOT* think, we are blocked, we act 24x7 of being smth else. THIS SITUATION MUST BE REMOVED: We have absolutely no connection to ancient greece, and there is nothing good we remember from Byzantines times either. Its all a mess. We are a new nation and we must find NEW SOLID foundations based on PERFECTION and TRUTH and not on deception. Deception is only gonna preserve this idiocy. neo-Romioi-Greeks must FREE THEMSELVES are re-invent themselves. ALL recipes FAILED. - Ancient madness : FAIL - Byzantine fanfare : FAIL - (even the pure arbano-vlah aspect FAILED miserably , but it was not given full chance) WE NEED SOMETHING MORE. Only two places can function curently in greece : CYPRUS-CRETE- PERIOD. There is another possibility but it is VERY hard to be implemented. Maybe we could turn our selves to GREEKS by 1000000% adopting Cretan values..... In anyway, FIRST we must understand our ULTRA tragic situation and stop relying in fairy tales (in which BTW we are not so rich as in the rest of the balkans) O kosmos kaigetai kai to mouni htenizetai... ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 28, 2011 17:15:19 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 16, 2011 17:06:24 GMT -5
I dislike such uniforms worn by Greek previous century army. I would want something more original. Bavarian styling is annoying. I am no expert but this is how I thought about it. It doesn't look "authentic greek" for at least two reasons. One, in my opinion, Greeks do not have a well-developed cavalry tradition. I am not saying they did not have any cavalry, but that it was narrow in scope to something like militia cavalry, with perhaps the limited exception of Alexander's Companion cavalry. The ancient Hellenes were great heavy and shock infantry and great sailors, as any island peoples must be, but the fragmented and independent nature of the polis as well as the hilly terrain meant they never really developed true horsemanship, as opposed to what the peoples of the vast steppe did. If you notice, even in the feudal and middle ages, the Greeks didn't develop the concept of cavalry and knighthood in the way it became so prevalent in the rest of Europe. So, overall, no true historical cavalry tradition also implies no deeply imbedded cavalry institutions and uniforms. Two, as soon as I saw the pictures in your opening post, I immediately thought of Hussar cavalry rather than anything Greek, and I normally more familiar with Greek culture. By contrast, when I look at the White House (USA), I can immediately recognize the Hellenic / Roman influence in the columns and arches. So, those cavalry uniforms can be said to be "Greek" because they are worn by Greeks but they were not an original idea flowing from their deep well of tradition, it is clear they were copying or imitating someone else, hence my verdict of not "authentic greek". In ancient times in Greece cavalry was indeed not the main weapon of the local armies. And it was because of the terrain, mostly mountainous and hilly, hence the advantage that cavalry can give to an army could be lost immediately if the opponent brought the battle to gorges and mountain passes. The big exception(except the Macedonian army Etairoi) was the Thessalian cavalry, globally respected in the Greek world, both because of the good horses but also the capable riders-soldiers. Surely the plainly terrain of Thessaly(Centaurs were dwelling this place in mythological times...) helped to that direction, since its the only Greek area with such open fields. Thessalian cavalry was a protagonist in Alexander's expedition. Also during medieval times, the cavalry of Byzantion had almost exclusively two areas for recruiting , Makedonia and (south) Thrake, heavily Greek inhabited both. But its true that cavalry and horse fighting isn't the characteristic form of war for Greeks and Greece.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 16, 2011 3:46:00 GMT -5
lol...shalom...
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 14, 2011 10:02:04 GMT -5
Berisha is a good and smart guy.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 14, 2011 9:58:04 GMT -5
When the average Greek modern idiot hears "Serbia" she (because those b1tches are not males even if they have a pennis) will start to cry out "Ceca - Ceca - arkan - murder - mafia - crime). Thats not the case, i'm pretty sure. Who even know Arkan...I only now Arkas : I'm trying to figure out why all these bs come out of your peiragmeno mind.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 10, 2011 17:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 6, 2011 13:00:16 GMT -5
so according to this map, pyrrcko you're alvanos...,nice?
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 6, 2011 7:34:39 GMT -5
western bulgarians or *Bugari* are different. what is 100 percent sure is that they arent serbs. what is 100 percent sure is that they are bulgarians. +++
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