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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 28, 2009 0:56:51 GMT -5
Doing "dirty work" is hardly a fitting term since in fact Albanians used the Ottoman system to do the dirty work for them. They monopolized military and administrative elite circles and closed them off to other ethnic groups, notably Bosnians, Georgians and Turkmen and created a system of ethnic solidarity within the Ottoman system. Its no surprise 26 viziers were of Albanian origin, a historic fact Turks bring up every time I tell them that I am Albanian. As this began to occur more and more, non-Albanian, principally Turkish-Anatolian elites began to lament what they called the "erosion of the empire" by people whom they thought could barely be trusted. Albanians were at the top of this list of "distrusted" and were viewed in the most negative light. So much so that Abdulhamid II issued an order banning all slander against Albanians in the Yildiz Palace. This circle of elites continued until the end of the Ottoman Empire. In fact it was symbolic of the Young Turk revolt that vezier Mehmet Alvonyali Pasha was executed after the Sultan was overthrown. Interesting information.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 27, 2009 9:32:22 GMT -5
Greece tells Turkey to stop airspace violations Posted : Fri, 24 Jul 2009 Athens - Greek President Karolos Papoulias warned fellow NATO member Turkey on Friday against dispatching fighter jets over Greek islands. "We are following with concern the escalation of provocations in the Aegean and the constant projection of unilateral and historically unfounded claims," Papoulias told journalists during a celebration to mark 35 years of democracy. He said that Turkey was "deluding itself if it believes that it can bend our determination to defend and safeguard our rights with threats and overflights over our islands." In the past few weeks, residents on the tiny Greek islands of Agathonisi and Farmokonisi have been startled out of their homes after low-flying Turkish fighter jets violated the country's airspace in the eastern Mediterranean. Greece's Defence Ministry says Turkish fighter jets have repeatedly violated Greek airspace by flying low over the small islands, frightening its residents. Officials also say that the eastern Mediterranean island of Kastelorizo gets frequent visits by Turkish patrol boats, which come as close as 50 metres of its shores. Greece and Turkey have longstanding territorial disputes in the Aegean. Greece claims a 10-nautical-mile air exclusion zone over its territory, including islands situated close to the Turkish coast, while Turkey recognises only a six-nautical-mile zone. Greece's Defence Ministry says Turkish jets regularly enter the Athens Flight Information Region (FIR) without submitting flight plans while Ankara argues that its military aircraft are not obliged to submit plans. The two countries came to the brink of war in 1996 over an islet in the Aegean and often stage mock dogfights in disputed airspace. www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/278838,greece-tells-turkey-to-stop-airspace-violations.html
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 27, 2009 3:50:52 GMT -5
Like Kubrat you Turks have included in your history for unknown reasons? We Turks? You think that the rest of the world is the Turks? ;D Let us recall even how the CIA interprets the origins of the Bulgars: The Bulgars, a Central Asian Turkic tribe, merged with the local Slavic inhabitants in the late 7th century to form the first Bulgarian state. www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bu.html
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 24, 2009 6:41:02 GMT -5
From Black Sea to Rhine, Turkey's whirling kolbasti dancers dazzle Posted : Thu, 23 Jul 2009 Istanbul - It is Sunday afternoon in Istanbul's student district of Kadikoy, on the Asian side of the Bosporus. At the docks where ferries link it to the city's European side, and in sight of century-old Haydarpasha Station, the starting point of the legendary Baghdad Railway, families are picnicking, couples are strolling and knots of young people are hanging out on the quay's walls. Suddenly, loud music shatters the relaxed atmosphere. Several young men start dancing to fast Turkish rhythms booming from giant loudspeaker boxes in the open boot of their car. Within minutes, a crowd gathers around them. One after another, people emerge from the crowd to dance along. Three young men split off from the growing group of dancers, then excitedly trip back toward the middle. Now the show really starts. They stamp on the ground at a terrific tempo and wildly wave their arms. They circle each other as if in a boxing ring, draw nearer and then apart again. The dance - at first glance somewhat similar to breakdance - has captivated Turkish youths both inside and outside Turkey for months. Kolbasti is its name. Howling enthusiastically, the spectators cheer on the ever faster dancers, who, whirling left and right around their own axis as if made of rubber, hardly seem to touch the ground. Kolbasti was created in the 1930s in the seaport of Trabzon on the Black Sea coast of north-eastern Turkey. Loosely translated, "kolbasti" means "caught red-handed by the police." According to legend, the name derives from nightly police patrols of the city to round up drunks, who made up a song with the lyrics: "They came, they caught us, they beat us" (in Turkish: "Geldiler, bastilar, vurdular"). These words are now part of all kolbasti songs, which are normally accompanied by the baglama, a stringed instrument used in Turkish folk music. The origin of the dance's swinging movements and energetic gesticulations is also the stuff of legend. As one legend has it, the Black Sea fishermen always used to dance for fun after a day's work, imitating the typical movements of their trade - casting a net, for example, or the wriggling of the fish they caught. For Sener Karaosmanoglu, a student at Trabzon's Karadeniz Technical University, kolbasti reflects the hot-tempered nature of the city's inhabitants. "They are very impatient, quick to anger and awfully fast talkers," traits expressed by kolbasti's tempo and aggressiveness, he says. "Kolbasti never disappeared from Trabzon. It's always been part of local culture. What's new, though, is that people from outside our region have taken to the dance." The reason, as Karaosmanoglu sees it, is simple: "Kolbasti is fast, different and fun." In his view, two things helped spread kolbasti quickly: his university's dance group, which was the first to present kolbasti professionally on television, and the nationally popular football club Trabzonspor, whose trademark is a kolbasti victory dance. The dancing youths in Kadikoy also explain their enthusiasm for kolbasti with football and their Black Sea heritage. "I come from Trabzon and am a Trabzonspor fan, so I also love kolbasti," says a boy of about 17. A girl the same age chimes in: "Kolbasti is different from other traditional dances. It's really fast and acrobatic. That's why it's so much fun." The dance has become part of Turkish youth subculture from the Black Sea all the way to the Rhine, as evidenced by the kolbasti clips on the video-sharing website YouTube. Many of the clips are uploaded from Germany, typically from members of the country's large population of ethnic Turks. In one internet forum, someone writing under a Turkish pseudonym from the German state of Rhineland-Palatinate says, "Without Kolbasti, my life on the street would be totally boring. Kolbasti is simply abnormally fantastic." www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/278605,from-black-sea-to-rhine-turkeys-whirling-kolbasti-dancers-dazzle.html
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 24, 2009 5:44:38 GMT -5
Janny - do you know that this guy bears two ancient Bulgar names? Boyan - Bayan - BatBayan. One of the sons of Khan Yuvigi Kubrat. And Rasate - Rasate was the last pagan ruler of Bulgaria. The last bearer and defender of the Great Bulgar/Sarmatian culture. Atan, Atan, Atan, It is good on him that he bears ancient Turkic-Bolgar names. ;D
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 24, 2009 5:28:56 GMT -5
Dreams from their fathersJul 23rd 2009 | ANKARA From The Economist print edition Turkey’s canny foreign minister seeks to pursue delicate diplomacy all around WHEN the official result of Iran’s contested presidential election was announced last month, Turkey was one of the first countries to congratulate Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Set against the repression (and deaths) of Iranian protesters in the streets, this raised eyebrows in Europe and America. It even provoked the tired old question of whether Turkey may be turning its back on the West. Illustration by Peter Schrank “People see only one side of this story,” complains Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey’s foreign minister, in an interview. He does not elaborate. But Turkey’s friendship with the Islamic republic has also proved useful to the West. Its behind-the-scenes mediation was instrumental in securing the recent release of British embassy staff in Tehran. And it can play both ways. Five Iranian diplomats detained by the Americans in Iraq in 2007 were freed earlier this month at Turkey’s urging. The ease with which Turkey juggles different worlds, be they Arab or Jewish, Muslim or European, prompted Hillary Clinton to call it an “emerging global power”. Its strong relations with Israel matter to both countries, as became clear when they cooled during the invasion of Gaza in January. The Turks have just had a high-profile spat with China over its treatment of Xinjiang’s Uighurs, whom they regard as kinsmen. It was understandable that one of Barack Obama’s first presidential visits to a foreign country was to Turkey. Some credit is due to Mr Davutoglu, who was a foreign-policy adviser to the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, for seven years before becoming foreign minister in May. This spry former academic is seen as the architect of Turkey’s soft power, which blends realpolitik with a fierce pride. A pious Muslim with a moralistic bent, Mr Davutoglu has been among the most influential foreign ministers in the history of the Turkish republic. His approach rests on two pillars. One is to have “zero problems” with the neighbours, many of them troubled or troublesome. The other is “strategic depth”. This calls for a Turkish zone of political, economic and cultural influence, primarily among neighbours (many of them former Ottoman dominions) in the Balkans, the south Caucasus and the Middle East. None of this detracts from Turkey’s determination to join the European Union. Rather, it enhances its appeal as a member, says Mr Davutoglu. He seems unfazed by the hostile noises from France and Germany. Both Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel are lobbying for a “privileged partnership” instead of full membership for Turkey. Mr Davutoglu suggests that they are merely playing to their respective electorates. “Instead of complaining, of being angry, we should work together,” he says. For Turkey that means reviving the flagging reform process that won it the opening of EU membership talks in 2005. Mr Davutoglu is hopeful, for example, that the Greek Orthodox seminary on the island of Halki off Istanbul will soon be reopened. But EU diplomats say none of this will let Turkey off the hook over Cyprus. Mr Davutoglu agrees that decades-old peace talks between Turkish- and Greek-Cypriot leaders should not be open-ended. A deal really needs to be struck by the end of this year. For that to happen the EU and America must tell the Greek-Cypriots to get serious (though, as EU members already, they have little incentive to help). A settlement would avert the possible train wreck in Turkey’s relations with the EU that might otherwise come in December. In theory Turkey has until then to open air- and seaports to the Greek-Cypriots, but it refuses to do this until EU trade restrictions on Turkish-controlled north Cyprus are lifted. Might France and Turkey’s other enemies use this as an excuse to freeze the EU membership talks altogether (eight chapters have already been suspended)? Turkish leaders like to believe that Europe needs Turkey more than Turkey needs Europe. It has become even more crucial as a potential transit route for Europe-bound natural gas from energy-rich Azerbaijan and Central Asia, as well as from Iraq (and eventually Iran). Mr Davutoglu points proudly to the recent signing of an agreement between Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria on the Nabucco pipeline that is meant to carry gas through these countries, reducing Europe’s dependence on Russia. Yet some say that Turkey is overplaying its hand. Its energy dreams are tightly linked to its ethnic cousins in Azerbaijan. Relations between these Turkic allies took a dive in April when Turkey unveiled a draft agreement to establish diplomatic ties and reopen its border with Armenia. In a dramatic shift, Turkey even dropped its long-running precondition that Armenia must withdraw from the territories that it occupied in the 1990s after its war with Azerbaijan over the mainly Armenian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh. An infuriated Azerbaijan promptly threatened to turn to Russia. In June it signed a deal to sell gas to the Russians from 2010 onwards. So Turkey did another volte-face. Mr Erdogan declared that friendship with Armenia was no longer possible unless it withdrew from Nagorno-Karabakh. Mr Davutoglu insists that Turkey wants peace with Armenia. But one Western diplomat says that “rapprochement with Armenia is on its last legs.” This has raised the spectre of a row with Turkey’s most powerful ally, America. Armenian-Americans want Mr Obama to honour his election pledge to insist that the massacre by Ottoman forces of more than a million of their ancestors in 1915 was genocide. In a fudge in April Mr Obama said that he had not changed his views on the matter; yet he spoke only of the Medz Yeghern (“great calamity” in Armenian). He did not want to torpedo Turkish-Armenian rapprochement by using the G-word. Turkey’s strategic location had once again proven decisive. As American forces withdraw from Iraq, Turkey is seeking to avert a looming conflict between the Arabs and the Kurds, especially over the disputed city of Kirkuk. Turkey urged Iraq’s Sunnis not to boycott elections in 2005. Mr Davutoglu is again lobbying to ensure that all Iraqi groups take part in the parliamentary election in January 2010. “We have excellent relations with the United States at every level,” he says. And, notes a Western official, “when it comes to Turkey and Armenia, Turkey wins every time.” www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14098427
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 24, 2009 5:26:19 GMT -5
I making this thread here, because I do not trust the crappy moderation on the Cyprus forum, especially since there isn't a TURKISH Cypriot Mod on there Neither do I. You should be the mod in Cyprus forum, if not,, then there should be a seperate forum for TRNC. BTW, nice photos.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 24, 2009 1:35:47 GMT -5
Im Greek, Cyprus is a Greek island, so its very much my business since this island of ours is occupied at the moment by an alien Turk people. I have a much greater right on this island than all Turks together...including the turkish Cypriots. What a load of Bollox, funny thing is none of my Greek Cypriot friends are even allowed to marry mainland Greeks. Now I know why. So Looks like the arabs have more rights to Cyprus than Greeks if we follow ur Retarded mentality. Idiot. Kind of cool reply.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 22, 2009 3:16:09 GMT -5
Turkish invasion of Cyprus: Families fleeing their homes, women and children along, sounds of gunfire heard. View of Turkish planes in air during invasion. DC-3 planes drop parachutists. Michael Nicholson watching as paratroopers descend and land, piece to camera. Hundreds of soldiers landing. Nicholson talking to soldiers and showing them his press pass, soldier pointing to camera saying 'Hey, what are you doing here'. Locals clapping at camera. Soldiers beginning to march, parachutes on ground. Turkish soldier holding flag of Turkey. Little local boy helps carry soldiers' guns. Nicholson on ground with soldiers, piece to camera. Interview with locals helping troops. Girls give out water. Explosion in distance. Military helicopters flying overhead. Helicopter lands and troops run out more explosions. Watch the video (Clip 10 of 32):www.itnsource.com/compilations/datesanddecades/1970s/?lr=S11100601
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 21, 2009 5:57:26 GMT -5
Turkey joins anti-smoke club with drastic ban July 19 2009 at 09:42PM Ankara - Turkey went smoke-free on Sunday as the government introduced a ban in bars, cafes and restaurants - despite business owners' protests - in a bid to break the national addiction to nicotine. Strongly supported by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a tobacco hater, the smoking ban came into effect at midnight as ashtrays were removed from tables inside these establishments and smokers stepped outside for a puff. "The saying 'smoke like a Turk' is now a thing of the past," said the liberal Radikal daily on its front page, likening the ban to a "revolution" in a country where people could smoke even on buses 15 years ago. The popular Aksam daily simply said "The End". Sunday's measure is an extension to a May 2008 ban on smoking in workplaces and indoor public spaces. Health Minister Recep Akdag says it has reduced the number of smokers by seven percent and tobacco consumption by 20 percent since its introduction. Official statistics say almost one in three adults smoke in Turkey - and that rate that reaches 48 percent among men - putting the country in 10th place in tobacco consumption in the world. Smoking-related illnesses are responsible for nearly 100 000 deaths a year and are a huge burder on the economy, according to the World Health Organization. "People spend $15-20 billion to buy cigarettes each year," said Tokat Erguder, who runs the WHO's tobacco-control programme in Turkey. "In addition, the state has an annual expenditure of $3.4-4.5 billion to pay for the treatment of smoking-related illnesses," he added. Recent surveys suggest that there is widespread public support of up to 95 percent for the smoking ban but some smokers say the ban is excessive. "I find the ban a bit extreme - the state will never get people to quit smoking by banning tobacco use," Semsi Guler, a retired lawyer, said sitting outside a cafe in capital Ankara's Tunali district. "People will now stay home to smoke to their liking," he added. Bar and cafe owners have long protested that they will lose business during what is already an economic crisis. They want to be able to set up separate smoking sections on their premises but their calls for a delay in the implementation of the ban have been rejected by the government. An association of traditional coffeehouse owners said they were mulling a legal appeal against the ban. "Ninety-five percent of those who come to coffeehouses smoke," said Huseyin Menekse of the association's executive board. "The ban means that people will no longer come to these establishment, forcing them to close." Bars in the downtown Sakarya district of the capital Ankara sported posters that read "We are against smoking and the smoking ban". Despite the ban however, many doubt that the anti-smoking measure will be applied uniformly throughout the country. While city bars and cafes will face regular inspection, it will harder to enforce the ban in coffeehouses in rural villages, where men while away their time drinking tea and smoking. Under the ban, owners of bars and restaurants are supposed to first warn a customer who insists on lighting up, then refuse to serve him and if that does not work to call the police. Flouting the ban can lead to a fine of 69 liras (R360) for the smoker, while the establishment itself will have to pay 560 liras (R3 000) for a first offence and up to 5 600 liras (R30 000) for repeat offences. Local authorities have drafted some 5 000 inspectors to check that premises are implementing the ban. - AFP www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_Middle%20East&set_id=1&click_id=123&art_id=nw20090719145902998C706925
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 21, 2009 5:50:12 GMT -5
Bulgarian far-Right leader condemns British ambassador for supporting gay prideSteve Williams, the ambassador to Bulgaria, sent a message of support for a Rainbow Friendship Rally in Sofia this coming Sunday. The same event last year in the Bulgarian capital ended in a bloody riot as marchers clashed with nationalists and riot police. "Celebrating diversity is not about promoting a lifestyle," he wrote. "It is about promoting respect for fundamental human rights. It is about the very essence of our European democratic values." A far-Right political leader condemned the embassy's interference in a controversial domestic issue and issued a personal attack on Mr Williams, who is married with three children. "He should mind his own business and his country's business," said Bojan Rasate, the leader of the Guardia Bulgarian National Alliance. "He has no right to tell Bulgarians how to live in Bulgaria. Europe has been ruled by homosexuals for a long time. We do not care how they live, but we do not want them to impose their pervert values on us." Ric Todd, the British ambassador to Poland, stirred similar criticism last week after publicly backing a rally in. The country's civil rights ombudsman warned the ambassador that he had "exceeded his authority". A Foreign Office spokesman said the government regarded the messages as a key plank of its human rights policies. "We have had the policy for some time," she said. "What's new is the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender [LGBT] Toolkit, which has raised the profile of such activities a bit." In the wake of the Polish row, rights groups put pressure on David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, to maintain the approach. "We cannot be complacent about LGBT rights in Europe and elsewhere in the world," said Kate Allen, Amnesty's UK director. 'This year we have seen attempts to ban Baltic Pride in Riga, the banning of Slavic Pride and violence when that march went ahead, and the banning of LGBT people holding public events as part of a 'Rainbow Spring 2009' in Ukraine." international.ibox.bg/news/id_1215767299
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 21, 2009 2:53:41 GMT -5
Turkish Invasion of Cyprus 1974 During the spring of 1974, Cypriot intelligence found evidence that EOKA B was planning a coup and was being supplied, controlled, and funded by the military government in Athens. EOKA B was banned, but its operations continued underground. Early in July, Makarios wrote to the president of Greece demanding that the remaining 650 Greek officers assigned to the National Guard be withdrawn. He also accused the junta of plotting against his life and against the government of Cyprus. Makarios sent his letter (which was released to the public) to the Greek president on July 2, 1974; the reply came thirteen days later, not in the form of a letter but in an order from Athens to the Cypriot National Guard to overthrow its commander in chief and take control of the island. Turkish troops landed in Cyprus, 1974Makarios narrowly escaped death in the attack by the Greek-led National Guard. He fled the presidential palace and went to Paphos. A British helicopter took him the Sovereign Base Area at Akrotiri, from where he went to London. Several days later, Makarios addressed a meeting of the UN Security Council, where he was accepted as the legal president of the Republic of Cyprus. In the meantime, the notorious EOKA terrorist Nicos Sampson was declared provisional president of the new government. It was obvious to Ankara that Athens was behind the coup, and major elements of the Turkish armed forces went on alert. Turkey had made similar moves in 1964 and 1967, but had not invaded. At the same time, Turkish prime minister Bülent Ecevit flew to London to elicit British aid in a joint effort in Cyprus, as called for in the 1959 Treaty of Guarantee, but the British were either unwilling or unprepared and declined to take action as a guarantor power. The United States took no action to bolster the Makarios government, but Joseph J. Sisco, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, went to London and the eastern Mediterranean to stave off the impending Turkish invasion and the war between Greece and Turkey that might follow. The Turks demanded removal of Nicos Sampson and the Greek officers from the National Guard and a binding guarantee of Cypriot independence. Sampson, of course, was expendable to the Athens regime, but Sisco could get an agreement only to reassign the 650 Greek officers. As Sisco negotiated in Athens, Turkish invasion ships were already at sea. A last-minute reversal might have been possible had the Greeks made concessions, but they did not. The intervention began early on July 20, 1974. Three days later the Greek junta collapsed in Athens, Sampson resigned in Nicosia, and the threat of war between NATO allies was over, but the Turkish army was on Cyprus. Konstantinos Karamanlis, in self-imposed exile in France since 1963, was called back, to head the Greek government once more. Clerides was sworn in as acting president of the Republic of Cyprus, and the foreign ministers of the guarantor powers met in Geneva on July 25 to discuss the military situation on the island. Prime Minister Ecevit publicly welcomed the change of government in Greece and seemed genuinely interested in eliminating the tensions that had brought the two countries so close to war. Nevertheless, during the truce that was arranged, Turkish forces continued to take territory, to improve their positions, and to build up their supplies of war matériel. A second conference in Geneva began on August 10, with Clerides and Denktas as the Cypriot representatives. Denktas proposed a bizonal federation, with Turkish Cypriots controlling 34 percent of island. When this proposal was rejected, the Turkish foreign minister proposed a Turkish Cypriot zone in the northern part of the island and five Turkish Cypriot enclaves elsewhere, all of which would amount once again to 34 percent of the island's area. Clerides asked for a recess of thirty-six to forty-eight hours to consult with the government in Nicosia and with Makarios in London. His request was refused, and early on August 14 the second phase of the Turkish intervention began. Two days later, after having seized 37 percent of the island above what the Turks called the "Atilla Line," the line that ran from Morphou Bay in the northwest to Famagusta (Gazimagusa) in the east, the Turks ordered a ceasefire. The de facto partition of Cyprus resulting from the Turkish invasion, or intervention, as the Turks preferred to call their military action, caused much suffering in addition to the thousands of dead, many of whom were unaccounted for even years later. An estimated one-third of the population of each ethnic community had to flee their homes. The island's economy was devastated. Efforts were undertaken immediately to remedy the effects of the catastrophe. Intensive government economic planning and intervention on both sides of the island soon improved living standards and allowed the construction of housing for refugees. Both communities benefited greatly from the expansion of the tourist industry, which brought millions of foreign visitors to the island during the 1980s. The economic success of the Republic of Cyprus was significant enough to seem almost miraculous. Within just a few years, the refugees had housing and were integrated in the bustling economy, and Greek Cypriots enjoyed a West European standard of living. Turkish Cypriots did not do as well, but, working against an international embargo imposed by the Republic of Cyprus and benefiting from extensive Turkish aid, they managed to ensure a decent standard of living for all members of their community--a standard of living, in fact, that was higher than that of Turkey. Both communities established government agencies to provide public assistance to those who needed it and built modern education systems extending to the university level. www.onwar.com/aced/data/tango/turkeycyprus1974.htm
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 20, 2009 5:12:02 GMT -5
How about Bodrum water? I saw what you posted. It looks amazing! Thats what I thought I d get in Alanya . It looks great Spirit! Bodrum has got some really good bays, and water is really good. I have forgotten. Kekova is also good. It is in fact perfect place for swimming. ;D
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 20, 2009 4:03:49 GMT -5
Some were in denial on the Arab part in Turkish history and culture, that's what my point was. I think Arabs are cool watched a dance group performing the coolest belly dances at a dinner dance function a week ago. Maybe we did Jan, but not in order to re-construct our history and culture, we as I recall was to make it simpler for foreigners to learn as ancient Greek is hard. There is a difference you know. Who denied really?
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 20, 2009 3:53:05 GMT -5
Bodrum, Cesme, Marmaris, Datca, Kalkan, Ayvalik, Assos, Dikili, Kas, Urla, Foca, Dalyan, Fethiye are some of the names I recall... Bodrum A view from a bay in Bodrum Marmaris A bay around Marmaris Kas Didim Fethiye Kalkan Cesme Cesme Alacati A bay in Foca A beach in Urla Dikili Ayvalik Assos
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 20, 2009 1:06:12 GMT -5
Happy birthday, Ruse.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 20, 2009 0:58:43 GMT -5
My opinıon: best looking men and women come from mixed ancestry Oh Rusey aren't you too old to be having this conversation yet again Also my husband is 100% Turkish just the way I like him 1'80, dark hair, sleepy eyes, curly hair and natural built body. Our kids are so gona have curly hair First of all I have discovered where all the good looking Turks in Turkey are : ESKISEHIR. (where my husband is originally from ) I visit that city once or twice a month to go clubbing and stuff, they are absolutely gorgeous men and women!! Most of the people from that place are ethnic yörük Turks (also a part of my ancestry) ;D ;D Now LISTEN UP PEOPLE: blonde and blue eyes or green eyes doesn't mean beauty go to London and look around at all the blondy blue eyed men and women... then come back to me Turkan Soray is a Beautiful women in my opinion. Iranian women are beautiful but there attitudes usually suck! I hope you will be happy and have a happy life together.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 20, 2009 0:56:02 GMT -5
So I came back. There were pluses and minuses. The minuses: - the water was dirty; I couldnt believe it; the reason I wanted to go to Turkey to a vacation was because I thought the water would be crystal clear; - the town and the places we passed through to get to Antalya for our plane was dirty too; near the roads there were piles of trash; its kind of strange really; - the food in the hotel was all the same: i got tired in the third day and I was for 7 days; I had to eat in restaurants but I had to say I love the food in the restaurants; The good things: - the castle in Alanya or the Kale was breathtakingly beautiful: it is very well preserved byzantine town; there were church ruins; big walls almost untouched: i loved it; - the people: the Turks are friendly and like foreigners; they were even warmer when they understood we are from Bulgaria (Bulgaristan in English); - the clean rooms in the hotel; - the restaurants on the roads; - the infrastructure: amazing! roads, parks, sidewalks, schools: the only minus was the dirt on the streets. As a whole, I wouldnt go back there for only one reason there: the water of the sea! I wanna go somewhere in Turkey where the water is good and clean. I heard Bodrum is good: is that true? I guess when you talk about the sea, you mean it was not crystal? It could be, but it does not mean it is dirty. If you look for crystal water, then you should go for the Aegean towns. I was near Antalya last week. The water was not crystal for three days, but then the waves stopped and it was quite good.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 20, 2009 0:48:44 GMT -5
I will ignore your comments hellboy b/c Turks look in no way like Arabs. You haven't gone or seen Turkey, what do you know?
NOTHING Interesting !. Maybe if we did some researching into Turkey's recent history, we may learn something new According to the History of the Turkish language. Atatürk's Dil Devrimi "Language Revolution" began officially in May 1928 "with the introduction of the English - style alphabet for the Turkish language" and was complete on [January 1, 1929 - the day it became illegal in the new Turkish Republic to use the centuries - old-standard Arabo Persian calligraphic - style alphabet. And on that day, the link with Turkey's Ottoman-Arabic-Asian-Islamic past was altered drastically and irrevocably, forever.www.learningpracticalturkish.com/turkish-lang-history.htmlAnd; With the establishment of the republic, Atatürk made language reform an important part of the nationalist program. The goal was to produce a language that was more Turkish and less Arabic, Persian, and Islamic; one that was more modern, practical, and precise, and less difficult to learn. The republican language reform called for a drastic alteration of both the spoken and the written language. This process was to be accomplished through two basic strategies--adoption of a new alphabet and purification of the vocabulary. Some cases an ethnic identity can be traced through language, culture etc; it appears Turks do have an Arab connection. . You should do better. Such language reforms were done in Greece and Bulgaria too. What is your point?
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jul 17, 2009 1:46:35 GMT -5
You look armenian...I remember your photo you sent me once for classification...eastern anatolian look. I never sent any photo to you, and if I ever wish to send a photo of me to anyone for some classification, that person is not going to be you, you can be sure of that.
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