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Post by Siroki_B on Oct 8, 2007 1:49:23 GMT -5
Privodjenjem tridesetak pripadnika neonacisticke skupine "Nacionalni stroj" završila su nedjeljna okupljanja pristaša neonacizma i antifašizma u središtu Novog Sada. Lakše je ozlijedjeno nekoliko policajaca i sudionika prosvjedne šetnje "Stop fašizmu". Pripadnici "Nacionalnog stroja", kojima je policija zabranila okupljanje i "marširanje" glavnim gradom Vojvodine, kamenjem su gadjali gradjane u mirnoj prosvjednoj šetnji usmjerenoj protiv djelovanja fašistickih i neonacistickih skupina u Srbiji. Policija je poslije te provokacije intervenirala i uhitila lidera "Nacionalnog stroja" Gorana Davidovica i još 30-ak njegovih pristaša. Nekoliko tisuca gradjana Novog Sada, koje su predvodila izaslanstva Skupštine Vojvodine, nekoliko stranaka i nevladinih udruga, nosili su na antifašistickom skupu zastave Vojvodine, Europske unije te zastave na kojima piše "Mir". Pripadnici Antifašistièke akcije Novog Sada, s povezima preko lica, nosili su transparent s natpisom "Protiv fašizma svim sredstvima". Okupljanje neonacisticke skupine "Nacionalni stroj" inicirao je Goran Davidovic pozivanjem pristaša takve ideologije u Srbiji i susjednim zemljama na "Marš za jedinstvo Srbije". Davidovic je zbog ranijih slicnih ispada nepravomoæno osuðen za širenje vjerske i nacionalne mržnje i netrpeljivosti, pa je policija organizaciju takvoga skupa zabranila. www.blic.co.yu/politika.php?id=15322
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Post by vinjak on Oct 8, 2007 1:56:20 GMT -5
here you can read it in English
NOVI SAD -- A leader of a neo-Nazi group was arrested today after disrupting an anti-fascist rally in Novi Sad.
Goran Davidoviæ and some 20 members of his Nacionalni Stroj group were detained after they hurled stones at citizens attending the rally.
The Helsinki Committee for Human Rights Novi Sad office head Pavel Domonji was hit and taken to hospital with light injuries. B92's assistant cameraman also sustained minor injuries.
Riot police and elite Gendarmerie were out in numbers today for the rally, which started at 4 p.m., organized by more than a dozen NGOs, joined by the Democrats (DS), League of Vojvodina Social-Democrats (LSV), G17 Plus, the Liberal-Democrats (LDP), and the Social-Democratic Union (SDU).
Last month, Davidoviæ and his neo-Nazi group announced a rally of their own for today, however, police banned that gathering.
After meeting in a town square to hear speeches from activists and politicians, antifascist marchers headed for the Danube River, on the way passing by the spot that Nacionalni Stroj wished to use for their rally.
There, a dozen neo-Nazis waited for them, shouting, "Serbia-Vojvodina". Both sides then exchanged insults and offensive slogans, when Gendarmerie officers intervened to prevent physical conflict.
After stones were thrown, officers arrested Davidoviæ and all other present group members, which the antifascist rally participants saluted by shouts of, "Serbia, Serbia".
After today's incident, those gathered proceeded to the bank of the Danube River, to place wreaths and light candles at the memorial of the Novi Sad raid victims of 1942, when Hungarian fascists gathered over 1,000 Novi Sad Serbs and Jews, murdering them and throwing their bodies into the river.
Late Saturday, assistant chief of the Serbian police directorate, Željko Nikaè, told B92 that citizens can be confident that police will have Novi Sad under control today.
"Vojvodina is a multiethnic region, these values took centuries to build, and now someone is out to disturb that. If there is a breach of public order or an attack on any person, our men [police officers] will react. We have a good unit there and our aim is not repression, but prevention. This also defends the rights of Mr. Davidoviæ, and the few followers he has," Nikaè said.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 8, 2007 5:26:08 GMT -5
wow, serbia is such a messed up country....
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 8, 2007 20:59:43 GMT -5
wow, serbia is such a messed up country.... As opposed to which country? Croatia? Bosnia? Montenegro? Please. Serbia has the most tolerant people in the Balkans no thanks to its ethnic minorities which keep causing problems.
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Post by ljubomir on Oct 8, 2007 22:22:39 GMT -5
anti-fascist rally? more like a communist one.. look at the images, fucken pigs, carrying red flags and vojvodina flags (not one serb flag in sight).. picke komunisticke...
At least these "neo-nazis" stand up for Srbija and don't want it to fall into the hands of siptari and the west.. these commi scum want nothing but to see Srbija split up even more..
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Oct 8, 2007 23:07:51 GMT -5
Both of them are a bad idea.
Why do the minorities cause such problems? Just because or maybe they feel the majority is somehow oppressing them?
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 8, 2007 23:24:02 GMT -5
Why do the minorities cause such problems? Just because or maybe they feel the majority is somehow oppressing them? Oppressing? Have you even been to Serbia? There are Serbs, Croats, Hungarians, Turks and Albanians living side by side all over the place (especially in Vojvoda and Beograd). Go to Croatia or Kosovo and you might find an ethnic minority if you look hard enough but don’t count on it.
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Post by zgembo on Oct 8, 2007 23:39:10 GMT -5
The only minority that has 'caused problems' really are the Albanians. There are over 20 other ethnic groups in Serbia that are integrated yet able to maintain their distinct culture. Even in the treatment of Roma Serbia is among the most tolerant.
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 9, 2007 0:09:01 GMT -5
Serbia is among the most tolerant. Unfortunately.
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Post by Zvone on Oct 9, 2007 0:30:52 GMT -5
They might be living side by side, but when Hungarians want autonomy, Kosovo independence, problems in Sandzak, Montenegrins, etc. It's not all peaches and roses. That's coming from a Serb?
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Post by zgembo on Oct 9, 2007 0:34:16 GMT -5
^ I do not see how that makes the statement any less correct.
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 9, 2007 0:43:07 GMT -5
They might be living side by side, but when Hungarians want autonomy, Kosovo independence, problems in Sandzak, Montenegrins, etc. It's not all peaches and roses. The majority of Albanians in Kosovo want independence because they are ignorant of what independence will bring them. Hungarians are a minority in Vojvoda (thanks to the help of your brothers in Krajina) so autonomy would simply be stupid. The majority of Montenegrins didn’t want to be independent, even if you leave out all the sleaze then it is still a 51% margin. That's coming from a Serb? Look at the facts. Serbia is much more tolerant then Croatia, though that is not saying much.
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Post by Zvone on Oct 9, 2007 0:52:26 GMT -5
Well, you're the only one.
51% is a majority.
They are both intolerant to people that don't share their agenda or norms.
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Post by vinjak on Oct 9, 2007 1:05:10 GMT -5
Considering that the Hungarian trouble makers tried to take advantage of Serbias troubles during the 90's and then when they failed they disapeared into Hungary and the ongoing Kosovo question, I am not suprised that certain groups are paranoid and fear others trying to do the same. The time for that has expired the Hungarian movement had there chance but its gone, now also the Albanians have so far had there time in the Sun but that to will be over soon and what we are all seeing is the last of the consequences of a previous rule. Although what gobsmacks me is these groups who shout Serbia, Serbia, but employ symbols of a movement that tryed to destroy our asses.
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 9, 2007 1:53:16 GMT -5
Not really, considering how many Montenegrins in Serbia were not allowed to vote or how many Albanians (who didn’t have Montenegro citizenship) were allowed to vote. They are both intolerant to people that don't share their agenda or norms. Well, the Jacobins and B-92ers in Serbia are certainly politically intolerant. But we are not talking about political intolerance.
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Post by acosrbin on Oct 9, 2007 4:25:01 GMT -5
i just dont understand how these people support nazi's when it was because of them over a million serbs died, i just dont understand....are they mssing something. They hold serb flags and are proud to be serbs but support a group that murdered there people. What we need is Cica Draza. Smack them all in the head.
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Post by Pejoni on Oct 9, 2007 6:45:57 GMT -5
The only minority that has 'caused problems' really are the Albanians. There are over 20 other ethnic groups in Serbia that are integrated yet able to maintain their distinct culture. Even in the treatment of Roma Serbia is among the most tolerant. Why shouldnt we? You ppl removed our autonomy, oppresed my ppl, tried with ethnic cleansing (almost succeded), numerous massacres, rapes, demolishing of historical and religious sites and destroyd Kosova's infrastructure...
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Post by terroreign on Oct 9, 2007 8:23:03 GMT -5
"The majority of Montenegrins didn’t want to be independent, even if you leave out all the sleaze then it is still a 51% margin."
The majority of Montenegrins in Serbia were pro-independence, the only reason why they werent let into MNE for voting was because of the law of the union at the time which states if you're a registered voter in one part of the union, you cannot vote in another in another part.
Not to mention there is a Montenegrin Orthodox church in vojvodina...
And serbs are not so tolerant, they opress and hate minorities, this is a known fact
A known fact that every serb deeply hates croatians, albanians, and gypsies. Even if they look like they're fine, deep inside they have a burning rage, but wont show it in front of the person's face.
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Post by radovic on Oct 9, 2007 10:18:57 GMT -5
The majority of Montenegrins in Serbia were pro-independence, the only reason why they werent let into MNE for voting was because of the law of the union at the time which states if you're a registered voter in one part of the union, you cannot vote in another in another part. Actually, that was not the law. The constitutional law of montenegro was the only a resident of Montenegro in the last 6 months could vote. That means that in order to get enough votes the Montenegrin government violated its own constitution buy allowing non-residents (i.e. Bosniaks and albnaians from Montenegro living abroad) and by not allowing certain residents to vote (students abroad who under the law are considered residents and of course refugees). Your grossly exagerrating this and plus Albanians & Croats are more hateful and Gypsies -- they're hated throughout Europe in the same degree. And that so-called "MOC" was nothing but a provocation and isn't even functioning as a proper church. Oppress minorities. You mean minorities make up claims or exaggerate the truth. What they say is refutable and published by groups that do not verify their sources. You shouldn't talk terrorreign. Your the most hateful person on this forum. Hell, yoyu hate your own group.
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Post by radovic on Oct 9, 2007 10:21:52 GMT -5
wow, serbia is such a messed up country.... Wouw. I'm surprised no one has posted the fact that the majority of those arrested were non-Serb. Among those arrested you'll find 11 Slovaks, 8 Bulgarians and a few Slovenians and Poles on the border. Seem's that Serbia is not a messedx up country but Poland, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Slovenia are by your logic. It seems that this Davidovic person is the only Serb arrested. Considering that there was at most 65 people at the rally or planning to go (counting people detained), that hardly means Serbia is a messed up country. Especially given that most European countries in the EU have neo-nazi rallies take place severla times a year and usually not atracting a majority who are foreigners and considerably more people then these idiots did. Serbia Neo-Nazis Arrested after Clashes08 10 2007 Belgrade _ Serbian police detained Sunday dozens of neo-Nazis who tried to stage a banned rally in the northern city of Novi Sad, following a brief clash with anti-fascists holding a counter-rally. Police intervened after black-clad neo-Nazis started hurling stones at a group of anti-fascists, slightly injuring several people. Among the detained were 15 Serbs, including their leader Goran Davidovic, and 11 Slovaks who arrived in Novi Sad to join the neo-Nazi rally, police said in a statement released late on Sunday. The detained skinheads were in possession of knives, Nazi paraphernalia and propaganda material, the statement said. According to police, eight Bulgarians, described as skinheads, had been arrested earlier on Sunday in Belgrade as they planned to travel to Novi Sad, capital of Vojvodina province. Police also detained several anti-fascist protesters. Serbia’s Interior Ministry, acting on legal provisions that ban hate speech and incitement to racial and ethic hatred, had earlier banned the march by Davidovic's Nacionalni Stroj, or National Guard, that was called in protest against UN-administered Kosovo's demand for independence from Serbia. On Sunday some 5,000 anti-fascist protesters gathered in Novi Sad to protest against the neo-Nazi gathering amidst hundreds of riot police deployed to prevent the two groups from clashing. But as a group of anti-fascist protesters passed by following the end of their rally, Davidovic's men started hurling stones at them. Nenad Canak, the head of the League of Social Democrats of Vojvodina said on Monday that “fortunately only a few drops of blood were spilled.” But Canak warned: “We will avoid drops turning into a stream of blood, only if the government removes neo-Nazis from the streets and puts them behind bars where they belong.” "It is amazing that the police let those Nazi supporters gather on the streets of Novi Sad despite the ban", said the leader of Serbia's Liberal Democratic Party, Cedomir Jovanovic, who attended the anti-fascist protest. Last month, the World Jewish Congress said that the planned neo-Nazi rally was a "matter of great concern" for the organization. The Simon Wiesenthal Center warned that the march coincided with the birthday of Heinrich Himmler, the head of the Nazi SS paramilitaries that committed genocide in World War II, and welcomed the Serbian government’s decision to ban it. Novi Sad, was the scene of a 1942 massacre of about 800 Jews and 400 Serbs by Nazi occupiers and Hungarian troops. The city is currently run by Mayor Maja Gojkovic, a prominent politician from the ultra-nationalist Serbian Radical Party. In an earlier statement Gojkovic said she opposed the neo-Nazi rally.
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