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Post by tyson on Sept 4, 2008 0:33:22 GMT -5
slovenia was inhabited before by celts, and not illyrians. here's a map of the tribes in the dinrac region
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 6, 2008 18:05:35 GMT -5
The Histri were most probably Italic and the Celts were heavily mixed with Illyrians... History shows that communities never had defined borders. They were very fluid.
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Post by srbobran on Sept 7, 2008 0:02:42 GMT -5
Slovenians are pretty much of Slavic-Germanic stock.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 7, 2008 2:51:30 GMT -5
We the Montenegrins (Docleatae/Dukljani) are proud of our ancient stock, and we banish the Slovenians into the realm of non-illyrianess!
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Post by tyson on Sept 8, 2008 20:34:34 GMT -5
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Pannonians Pannonians (Latin: Pannonii) was a common name for a group of culturaly similar tribes cognate to Illyrians, who inhabited the southern part of what was later known as Roman province of Pannonia, south of the river Drava (Dravus), and the northern part of the future Roman province of Dalmatia.
[edit] History In the 2nd century BC, the Segestani, one of the Pannonian tribes inhabiting the area around Segesta (modern Sisak in Croatia), were attacked without lasting success by Roman consuls L. Aurelius Cotta and an unidentified Cornelius. In 35 BC, the Segestani were attacked by Augustus, who conquered and occupied Siscia (Sisak). The rest of the Pannonians were not, however, definitely subdued until 9 BC, when their lands were incorporated into the province of Illyricum after the bellum Pannonicum, conducted by the future emperor Tiberius.
In AD 6, the Pannonians, together with the Dalmatians and other Illyrian tribes, revolted, and were overcome by Tiberius and Germanicus, after a hard-fought campaign which lasted for three years. Leaders of the rebellion were Bato (of the Breuci tribe) and Pinnes from Pannonia and another Baton (of the Daesitiates) from Dalmatia. After the rebellion was crushed in 9 AD, the province of Illyricum was dissolved, and its lands were divided between the new provinces of Pannonia in the north and Dalmatia in the south. The date of the division is unknown, most certainly after AD 20 but before AD 50.
[edit] Pannonian tribes The Pannonian tribes inhabited the area between the river Drava and the Dalmatian coast. Archaeology and onomastics shows that they were culturally different from southern Illyrians, Iapodes, and La Tene peoples commonly known as the Celts. However, there are some cultural similarities between the Pannonians and Dalmatians. Many of the Pannonians lived in areas with rich iron ore deposits, so that iron mining and production was an important part of their economy before and after the Roman conquest. The Pannonians did not have settlements of importance in pre-Roman times, apart from Segestica (Siscia). Ancient sources (Strabo, Pliny the Elder, Appian of Alexadria) mention few of the Pannonian[50] tribes by name, and historians and archaeologists located some of them. The most significant were:
Breuci (area between the rivers Sava and Drava) Daesitiates (central Bosnia) Pirustae (northern Montenegro) Segestani (around river Kolpa) Maezaei (northwest Bosnia - roughly modern Bosanska Krajina without Bihaæ) Ditiones (western Bosnia)
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Post by tyson on Sept 8, 2008 20:42:40 GMT -5
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A. Benac and B. Èoviæ, archaeologists from Sarajevo, hypothesize that during the Bronze Age there took place a progressive Illyrianization of peoples dwelling in the lands between the Adriatic and the Sava river. In contrast to an ethnogenesis in the Balkans, another (older) school of scholars maintains the theory of an Illyrian invasion, which involves a great movement of Illyrian tribes from the lowlands of central Europe (modern Hungary), towards southeastern Europe and the Balkan peninsula. The Illyrian invasion is estimated to have occurred around the 13th century BC. The numerous Thracian names in Illyria have led many scholars to believe that the region was originally inhabited by Thracians, who were either displaced or submitted to the Illyrian invaders. The Illyrians were most likely in turn pushed eastwards by Celtic or Germanic tribes from the northwest. According to this theory, the Illyrian invasion most likely caused the Thracian expansion to the east,
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Post by tyson on Sept 8, 2008 20:49:17 GMT -5
so with that being said, celts came from the northwest, and pushed southeastwards the illyrians, therefore thats why slovenia was subsequently inhabted and dominated by the letobici, a celtic tribe.
some celts even went further southeast deep into illyria, but the illyrian population was too strong there, and they could not push them out, so the celts lived side by side with illyrians inside present day regions of northwest & central bosnia.
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Post by tyson on Sept 8, 2008 20:59:15 GMT -5
histri, catari, lapodes, liburni were venetic tribes, but illyrian tribes lived together with them, and those particular venetic tribes were most probably racially mixed with illyrians.
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