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Post by highduke on Oct 22, 2008 14:27:31 GMT -5
The balija microstate left after RS & ustasa regions seperate will join RS & Serbia, which already has a big balija population. It makes more sense to join RS and Serbia than Croatia because if this way, all balije will live in one state.
Belgrade should co-opt the Wahabis & make all Muslims subject to Sharia. Then moderate Muslims will convert & lose their identity. Losing 2/3 of B&H will demoralize them after 20 years. When they look at Sandzak, it'll show them that Muslims are safe as long as they arent seperatist & that their seperatism caused the war in the 90s. A mini-Greater Serbia is begining to emerge.
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Post by tito on Oct 22, 2008 14:45:28 GMT -5
Rezultat lokalnih izbora 2008:
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Post by bosanskinovi on Oct 22, 2008 14:56:35 GMT -5
You're not alright in the head
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Post by rex362 on Oct 22, 2008 16:04:49 GMT -5
^ he is a big time journalist and writer of extreme Bozoism
its unacceptable
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Post by Arthur Kane on Oct 22, 2008 18:11:40 GMT -5
I highly doubt Croat populated regions would choose to join Serbia over Croatia. Croat areas of Bosnia are compact and the largest concentration of population are already on the Croatian borders thus joining Croatia would probably be the most practicle for them. The Bosniaks are crunched in the middle of Bosnia and the NW pocket. The NW pocket can prove to be problematic to get a fluent state. The Serbs are in a really impractical position as a large segment of their popualtion is essentially split between eastern Bosnia and northern Bosnia. I think it would be most difficult to manage fluently land in Serb populated areas. Even after all the ethnic cleansing Bosnia is still very mixed and not all areas are 'pure.' I think the Serbian government's thirst for more territory is starting to subside as the costs of undertaking such adventures are too high. Anytime the Serbian government ( or any other government in the region) decides to undertake an aggressive foreign policy with its neighbors it trades internal prosperity and I think the people in Serbia can only take so much, even for blind patriotism. Lets not forget the 500,000,000,000 dinar note as a result of inflation of +37% and hour. Picture.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Oct 22, 2008 18:23:17 GMT -5
The balija microstate left after RS & ustasa regions seperate will join RS & Serbia, which already has a big balija population. It makes more sense to join RS and Serbia than Croatia because if this way, all balije will live in one state.
Belgrade should co-opt the Wahabis & make all Muslims subject to Sharia. Then moderate Muslims will convert & lose their identity. Losing 2/3 of B&H will demoralize them after 20 years. When they look at Sandzak, it'll show them that Muslims are safe as long as they arent seperatist & that their seperatism caused the war in the 90s. A mini-Greater Serbia is begining to emerge. By this logic the Bosniak populated Sandzak area could also split from Serbia and Montenegro and join the Bosniak husk state left over. If the criteria is population majorities and common religion then the Bosniaks compacted in that region of Serbia could also do the same thing as Serbs in Bosnia. Unless you're saying only Serbs have this 'right' in which case its just babbling lunacy and whim-based declaration not grounded in any objective truth. Surely you support the independence of Kosovo as well, at least if you're consistent.
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Post by tito on Oct 22, 2008 18:36:00 GMT -5
Croat areas of Bosnia are compact and the largest concentration of population are already on the Croatian borders thus joining Croatia would probably be the most practicle for them. The largest croat town in BiH has something like 40 000 people. Over 40% of the croats that lived in BiH before the war now live outside BiH. The republic of Croatia is aiming at joining EU and Nato. Which brings me to the conclusion that even the most backward segments of the Skutorja population will think twice before breaking the peace with Armija BiH. However you are right about the lack of territorial connection between Serbia and 70% of the Bosnian Serbs(those west of the Brcko District of Bosnia and Hercegovina).
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 22, 2008 19:00:17 GMT -5
mogao si malo vecu sliku staviti.... imam 530inch ekran... mala je!!
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Post by Arthur Kane on Oct 22, 2008 19:34:33 GMT -5
Croat areas of Bosnia are compact and the largest concentration of population are already on the Croatian borders thus joining Croatia would probably be the most practicle for them. The largest croat town in BiH has something like 40 000 people. Over 40% of the croats that lived in BiH before the war now live outside BiH. The republic of Croatia is aiming at joining EU and Nato. Which brings me to the conclusion that even the most backward segments of the Skutorja population will think twice before breaking the peace with Armija BiH. However you are right about the lack of territorial connection between Serbia and 70% of the Bosnian Serbs(those west of the Brcko District of Bosnia and Hercegovina). It doesn't matter about what towns are populated with with ethnicity really. I was talking about a general area of concentrated population and it happens to be the case that the Croats in Bosnia are largely and directly along the borders of Croatia and they represent a large majority in those areas. The displacement costs for Croats are the least among the three primary groups. And I wasn't aware that people were ruled in Marshall law by the Bosnian Army. Do you have any evidence of this? The armies of the region are pretty much useless and there to follow orders of the European magistrate, simply because , Europe and the U.S. doesn't want to waste so much manpower resources there. The costs of war are too high for all the ethnic groups ( see the inflationary note I posted.) There is a strong probability that all future disputes will be addressed ( though not always solved) diplomatically. PS: You never addressed any of my points in the Alija Izetbegovic thread.
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Post by tito on Oct 22, 2008 19:51:24 GMT -5
It doesn't matter about what towns are populated with with ethnicity really... The displacement costs for Croats are the least among the three primary groups. My point is that Skutorija, with it’s biggest town having 40 000 people has no potentials of becoming a croat RS. Especially since the republic of Croatia today is oriented towards joining EU and Nato which prevents it from having the same roll as in the last war. Naturally, to you it is known as the Washington agreement where rahmetli Aljo promised to be good to the catholic rebels in central Bosnia and halt the Neretva operation if the Skutori dropped their crazy idea of following the footsteps of Karadzics serbs. The costs of war are too high for all the ethnic groups ( see the inflationary note I posted.) ;D LOL, that’s just about the most stupid argument Ever!
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Post by highduke on Oct 23, 2008 17:48:09 GMT -5
Kane, the Bosniaks descend from Serbs who converted to Islam for social & economic mobility & from Janissaries who were kidnapped as children & brainwashed into Islam, so they dont qualify as an ethnic group. The Albanians expelled the Serb majority from Kosovo in the Ottoman era assimilating half the population, so they do not have a legitimate right to Kosovo anyway or Macedonia or Montenegro.
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Post by sweetnugs on Oct 23, 2008 18:55:06 GMT -5
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah
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Post by Arthur Kane on Oct 23, 2008 20:02:42 GMT -5
How is any of this relevent to the modern day? Surely no one alive today went through any 'conversion' process and you're talking about people who existed 500 years ago. As if , somehow, the people today are collectively responsible for what their ancestors ( other people) did centuries ago. Its nonsensical. Then you also must believe that every new born child is inherently guilty for the 'sins' of their ancestors.
What I was explaining was that words like 'Serb,''Croat,''Albanian,' are just conceptual labels put on an aggregate of discreet individuals. Deriving morality or a sense of right or wrong from those labels is abandoning reality. The only objective characteristics they hold are their biological human anatomy.
Where is the cut off point btw? You seem to justify ethnic cleansing on the basis of historical labeling ( whether Bosniaks today *really* had Serb and Croat ancestors, or other modern peoples 'abandoning' ancient identities). Antropology shows that individual groups of people called 'Serbs' immigrated from Central Asia or Persia in times past. The label of Serb has a Persian root, Iran is the successor of Persia , therefore , Iran should have the right to rule over Serbs. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? How about we go all the way back in time to the first homo sapians appearing in Ethiopia. Then would Ethiopia have the right to rule over all the land humans have settled on Earth? Why stop at medieval Serbian history? Why not go back further ? Its the natural consequence of the logic you're attempting to use.
Think about it.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 24, 2008 10:15:28 GMT -5
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Post by highduke on Oct 24, 2008 16:34:45 GMT -5
Let me address your fascinating response...
Kane you are so misinformed its cute! The historic processes that created 5 ethnic groups out of the Serbs & brought about the Albanian majority in Kosovo & W. Macedonia are relevant today because if we do not consider them morally then it becomes ok for any group to expel & assimilte another & to lay claim to its land & the survtivers after events have fallen out of living memory. So without collective responsibility & moral judgement, might makes right.
Our ethnic identities are not 'labels'. they reflect subtle values & paradigms which differ from group to group in places like the Balkans where traditional culture upon which those concepts rely have not been totaly decimated by Consumerism, Liberalism & Urbanization as in the West wher Modernity homogenizes people to the point where ethnicity becomes a label just like your job & you live to entertain produce & consume.
That lifestyle is banal & Im leaving it for good. The biological characteristics of Albs & Bosniaks are evil based on heritability of behavior traits. Opportunistic converts breeding with opportunistic converts for 500 years fortifies nasty traits that people who betray their tribesmen must have to have to be traitors to begin with. Artificial selection makes Bosniaks & Albanians geneticaly defective. I'll elaborate way more concretely if you ask me to, with examples & references: links & books.
So, what is the cut-off for tracing collective responsibility & judging morality? It is the genetic age of the majority of the population. Haplogroup I descends from the Gravettian Culture of the Cro-Magnon 30 000 years ago & is destributed 60% among Serb-derived ethnic groups, COMBINED. They were penetrated by small numbers of Neolithic farmers & a large group of Romans, Illyrians, Slavs & Serboi, each of whom imprinted a specific language & mentality on the natives with whom they hybridized.
My advice to you is to do two things:
1. read both sections my website before you reply to this thread. the links are at the bottom of this post, where you will find an exhaustive body of over a dozen scanned original medieval documents and English translations of medieval documents & scanned pages from Western, Albanian and Croatian scholars. No other website offers this content.
2. check out anus.com/perspectives & corrupt.org for a healthy world-view from a NW European point of view.
Hopefuly you are talking to me to challenge your modern, subjective preconcieved notions about past, present & future instead of just to entertain yourself, otherwise you will be unmasked like every balija, ustasa & sipcina who has approached me
Kapetane, lojava poturcena balijo, mozes fino da mi popusis neobrezani cetnicki kurac kao sto su mnoge bule to radile jos zescim cetnicima nego sto sam ja. Bojite se popisa stanovnistva jer smo vam zene takticki silovale da bi se plasile seksa te da se ne bi kotili kao krmad.
Serbian identity in BiH can be deconstructed? Do it, I challenge you to open a thread dedicated to doing so. I'll see you there. If you refuse, then it becomes obvious to all that you're a lojava pizda who's all talk.
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Post by tito on Oct 24, 2008 17:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Oct 24, 2008 17:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by sweetnugs on Oct 24, 2008 18:37:32 GMT -5
Kapetan don't even think about arguing with this clown. This is what he strives on, retarded ass 'illyria forum' debates. He's been at it with anyone who was dumb enough to dedicate time to him.
Don't fall for it.
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Post by bob1389 on Oct 24, 2008 18:56:36 GMT -5
We must defeat the Bosniak menace before they try to exterminate the free Serbian people of Republika Srpska.
Pre-emptive strikes must be taken to secure the lives of all Orthodox men, women and children threatened by the Islamofascist hordes. An olive branch of peace to be offered to our Catholic brother as the threat we face today is greater than any Serbo-Croat conflict we have seen before.
The best defense is a spectacular offense.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 24, 2008 19:12:09 GMT -5
Nobody gives a s**t about dismantling the Bosnian Serb (or should I say Vlach lolz) identity of the Bosnian Serbs cuz unlike you we dont obsess about others and make it our lifes mission to be a f*ggot. its been done by better people then me. its a fact. of course people you cant accept it becuase it crashes your pathetic world around you. that's what the serbs do when they dont like something. pretend its propaganda to destroy the allmighty serb nation. and you pathethicly think your little site and pseudo historical facts will change anything. get it in your thick skull. IF IT WAS PROVEN TOMROOW 100% THAT THOSE "5 ETHNIC GROUPS" ALL CAME FROM SERBS IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. NOBODY WOULD ABANDON AND DROP EVERYTHING AND GO BACK TO A TRIBAL LABEL FROM A 1000 YEARS AGO LOL Good luck with all that f*ggot. Warning +1.
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