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Post by rex362 on Oct 17, 2008 19:14:12 GMT -5
^ you shouldnt lie to Pyrros by telling him that Elmo is a sesame st character ...
tell him the truth that Elmo is a greek who is a serbian puppet
Kinda sad you got nothing intelligent to say.
no hang on ,,you really expect me to defeat/refute Highdukolgy and his Highdukism.....??
NO WAY ...its impossible ...like they say ..he is a legend in his own mind...
if we had an Albanian like Highduke ...we would of assassinated it along time ago ... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by kapetan on Oct 17, 2008 19:31:08 GMT -5
What douchebags like these "e-scholars" (lmao) don't realize is, if it was that easy to prove something like this about the language, without a doubt, and if your dumbass could do it, it would've long been proven by actual people in the field and historians and it would be accepted fact. The Balkan wouldn't be a mystery then, as it is now. But it's more logical for this cetnik dipshit to think he is the genius who proved it first and everyone should listen to him as he struggles to find simmilarities in language.
Now WATCH, him respond with another pathetic attack.
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Post by highduke on Oct 18, 2008 11:52:18 GMT -5
Ok, if if kish is an albanized form of kilisa, a turkized form of the greek ecclesia, then an albanized form of a turkified greek word appearing in the Caucasus is proof of an albanian-speaking population there. You lojavi clowns are so desperate to make me look bad that you missed the connection.Caucasian Albania was one of the earliest Christian states in history: The Albanians have been in the Caucasus since at least 1500 AD. There in the mountains, much as in Europe, they maintained their Indo-European language and uniqueness, resisting assimilation. Then they re-emerged as a major regional power in the Caucasus after 800 years of silence and assimilated with the non-Indo-European natives. This happened to the European branch, too where Albanians 'suddenly' appear in the Middle Ages. Dardara Daskasan Rayonu 40.4597222 46.1405556 1686 5531 indexmundi.com/z/?lat=40.4597222&....aj&c=azerbaijanDorduncu Barak Agcabadi Rayonu 39.8622222 47.4563889 59 194 indexmundi.com/z/?lat=39.8622222&....aj&c=azerbaijan Physical Anthropology & toponymic data give me advantages other scholars dont have. But you lojavi Sipci & Balije go ahead & ignore that. I'm not saying that European Albanians descend from these Caucasian Albanians, just that the research points to one branch of the ancestral Albanian tribe of the Dardanians remaining in the Caucasus while the other went westward. Bibby says the the Dardanians migrated from Anatolia to Europe: Wilkes agrees that the Dardanains migrated from Anatolia to Europe: V Gordon Childe agrees that the Dardanians migrated from Anatolia to Europe: Albanians and Anatolians share a peculiar cultural practice, too: The Balkan Dardanians and the related Dardic tribes who dwelt in Albania are the only tribes of the Illyrian conglomerate who can be etymologically be traced directly to Albanians for certain, so it is only a matter of figuring out the origin of the Dardanians to understand the origin of the Albanians. And once we've established that they migrated from Anatrolia to Europe, it is not that difficult to grasp that they migrated to Anatolia from the Caucasus, especially when we have Coons report from the Caspian coats of Iran, which does for Albanian ethnogenesis what his Coon's observation of Sphakiots and Montenegrins does for the ethnogenesis of the Serbs. It's not a stretch to grasp that these Caspian Albanians are probably the unmixed descendants of the pure Dardanians, before they assimilated into the non-IE populations of the Caucasus and Anatolia.
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Post by highduke on Oct 18, 2008 11:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Oct 18, 2008 11:57:04 GMT -5
and he's off .....
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Post by yeni on Oct 18, 2008 12:09:37 GMT -5
what does the word lojavi means?
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Post by highduke on Oct 18, 2008 15:38:00 GMT -5
Lojav is a descriptive word; stemming from loj, which is sheep fat/lard used in cooking and it applies ot only to the fat/lard itself but to the strong smell that it produces when it is being heated. Muslims use it instead of oil and they use too much of it which gives them a distinct lojav smell. Lojav essentially means 'sheep-lard stinking'.
Ofcourse, now olive and sunflower oil is common and only small number of poor rural Muslims use it, at least in the Balkans. It is my favourite way to refer to people whose ancestors converted to Islam for money and power, although probably 50% of Muslims in Serbia and Bosnia descend from Jannissaries, who were brainwashed after being kidnapped as babies. But let's not allow this thread to get sidetracked. I just want to be clear:Durdane, Turkey: indexmundi.com/z/?lat=40.3333333&lon=29.0833333&t=p&r=9240&p=durdane&cc=tu&c=turkey=========== Albania: Ghegh Armenia: indexmundi.com/zp/am/2440.htmGeghanist K'aghak' )) (( Artashat 40.1497222 44.4344444 876 2874 Geghanist (( Masisi Shrjan )) 40.1497222 44.4344444 876 2874 Geghanush (( Meghru Shrjan )) 39.1688889 46.4169444 1010 3314 Geghanush (( Gorisi Shrjan )) 39.1688889 46.4169444 1010 3314 Geghanush K'aghak' )) (( Goris 39.1688889 46.4169444 1010 3314 Geghanush (( Kapani Shrjan )) 39.1688889 46.4169444 1010 3314 Geghanush Syunik'i Marz 39.1688889 46.4169444 1010 3314 Geghanush (( Sisiani Shrjan )) 39.1688889 46.4169444 1010 3314 Geghanush K'aghak' )) (( Kapan 39.1688889 46.4169444 1010 3314 Geghard K'aghak' )) (( Abovyan 40.1588889 44.7966667 1903 6243 ====== Albanian barda - white; Bardha - Capital of Caucasian Albania Albania: indexmundi.com/zp/al/380.htmBardhaj Qarku i Shkodres 42.0880556 19.5541667 38 125 Bardhaj Qarku i Beratit 40.805 19.9766667 114 374 Bardhaj Qarku i Gjirokastres 40.4658333 19.9833333 729 2392 Bardhaj Qarku i Lezhes 41.7572222 20.0608333 761 2497 Bardhaj Qarku i Beratit 40.6477778 19.965 528 1732 Bardhaj-Rec Qarku i Dibres 41.8633333 20.3133333 688 2257 Bardhez Qarku i Korces 40.6961111 20.37 772 2533 Bardhoc Qarku i Kukesit 42.1063889 20.5052778 577 1893 Bardhoci i Ri Qarku i Kukesit 42.1191667 20.5166667 505 1657 Bardhor Qarku i Tiranes 41.1491667 19.4747222 144 472 Armenia indexmundi.com/zp/am/1560.htmBardidzor (( T'umanyani Shrjan )) 40.8102778 45.1075 990 3248 Bardidzor K'aghak' )) (( Ijevan 40.8102778 45.1075 990 3248 Bardidzor (( Ijevani Shrjan )) 40.8102778 45.1075 990 3248 Bardidzor (( Noyemberyani Shrjan )) 40.8102778 45.1075 990 3248 Bardidzor (( Taushi Shrjan )) 40.8102778 45.1075 990 3248 Bardidzor Tavushi Marz 40.8102778 45.1075 990 3248 Bardzruni (( Yeghegnadzori Shrjan )) 39.5208333 45.4822222 1946 6385 Bardzruni K'aghak' )) (( Jermuk 39.5208333 45.4822222 1946 6385 Bardzruni (( Vayk'i Shrjan )) 39.5208333 45.4822222 1946 6385 ======== Albania: Mirake indexmundi.com/zp/al/2520.htmMirake Qarku i Elbasanit 40.8330556 20.1775 308 1010 Mirake Qarku i Elbasanit 41.1688889 20.2244444 265 869 Armenia: indexmundi.com/zp/am/4660.htmMirak (( Aparani Shrjan )) 40.645 44.3241667 2047 6716 Mirak K'aghak' )) (( Ashtarak 40.645 44.3241667 2047 6716 Mirak Aragatsotni Marz 40.645 44.3241667 2047 6716 Mirak (( Ashtaraki Shrjan )) 40.645 44.3241667 2047 6716 Mirak (( T'alini Shrjan )) 40.645 44.3241667 2047 6716 Mirak (( Aragatsi Shrjan )) 40.645 44.3241667 2047 6716 I've probably analyzed less tan 9% of available toponymic data and look at the results. The Old Caucaian theory stating that Albanians came to Europe in the Middle Ages doesn't explain the few important similarities between Albanian and Illyrian languages, whereas the Illyrian theory doesn't bother to explain the huge differences in physical type, language and onomastic discrepancies. None of these theories address the key issue: the origin of the Dardanians. It is by undertanding the Dardanians that we come to understand the Illyrians and the origin of the Albanians. Never before in history has an international directory of cities and towns been available and never in the history of Albanology has Physical Anthropology been referenced, because it is not politically correct. These two tools make the mystery of Albanian ethnogenesis into something that isn't mysterious at all.
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Post by Demonel on Oct 18, 2008 15:59:34 GMT -5
Lojavi means greasy and has nothing to do with highdyke's "definition". You just keep posting words that have the same letters in them, but you can't prove shit without the meaning of those words.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 18, 2008 16:29:10 GMT -5
how about Bardh = white Bardhyll (Illyrian Kings Name) = Bardh (white) yll (star)
You suck highduke ahahahah you need to go to a mental institution and get a life you are waisting all your life proving that albanians are this or that instead of spreading serbian culture, at least the good in your culture.
And out of all the people in the balkans you could chose to do this to, you chose the albanians, why? you feel threatened? hahahaha
Oh and who said that we are Dardanians? We are Illyrians dumbass! lmaoooo
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Post by kapetan on Oct 18, 2008 16:59:49 GMT -5
Exactly he's wasting his time doing something thatwill neer bear any fruit, spiting others, insted of contributing something usefull to his own. Like he's gonna force Albanians to Caucases or some shit.
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Post by Duke John on Oct 19, 2008 11:09:01 GMT -5
You made two terrible mistakes and the time you spent for your imaginary theory was waste of time.
Mistake number one: Kisha means church in albanian and its moust proppably and logically from greek word Ecclesia.
Mistake number two: "Bardha" does not mean star, it means "White"!, and albanian word for star is "Yll".
Your amater and imaginary theory does not prove that in the region of Azerbaijan some people once spoke the indo-european language albanian.
Which time period is in question highduke? in which time period did your imaginary ancestors of european albanians lived in caucasus? whats the time period of your work?
As far as i remember you tried to claim that albanians came from caucasus in middle ages with ottomans or with maniakos but you failed, how deep in time are you now? ad? bc? but you must remember that deeper than 7th century is not going to help your case. I know what drives you for all these absurd theories of your, its the very well recorded migration of serbs in to balkans in 7th century but there is not a single proof or record of albanians/arbanasi/shqiptars or arbanasi language outside of balkans!.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Oct 19, 2008 14:32:08 GMT -5
--edit-- kish is latino/saxon word (and mean church and is not albanian/illyran word) and church gived name cause of modern name of village (not ancient...in ancient called GIS not KISH) for your information KISH and SHEKI originates from the name of the Saxon (Modern English) tribes that wandered from the north side of the Black Sea through Derbend passage and to the South Caucasus and from there to the Asia Minor in the 7th century B.C..www.world66.com/europe/azerbaijan/saki/historyKish is indo-european word (in particular Latin) and dont mean nothing in caucasus language...you know that Armenia/Georgia/Caucasia was conquest from Romans and Macedonians (Alexander the Great) Kish is just village and originatet from Saxon tribes. --edit-- NEXT TIME I WILL NOT TAKE THE TIME TO EDIT BUT WILL DELETE YOU OUTRIGHT ...ACT CIVIL...THANK YOU.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 19, 2008 18:03:37 GMT -5
"Oh and who said that we are Dardanians? We are Illyrians dumbass! lmaoooo"
Your forgetting that Albanians want to rename kosovo to Dardania.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 19, 2008 18:10:20 GMT -5
So whats wrong with that? Your people renamed a lot of ancient cities and villages to slavic names so you can erase all the proof that we existed there before you just like highduke is doing right now, we are just renaming them to their original names!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 19, 2008 19:37:24 GMT -5
^ But the name Dardania isn't even illyrian
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 20, 2008 8:30:25 GMT -5
Ehem, to the OP, you have issues... It does not matter who and what and where Albanians are, no poeple has a "pure" history. Albanians live in the Balkans, hell, to me people from South Serbia and Kosovo/Albania look alike, strange huh, you think that anyone in the Balkans has pure blood? Wanting to justify politics on medival history is insane in my book...
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Post by highduke on Oct 20, 2008 14:21:40 GMT -5
Demonel, none of those words mean anything in Armenian. Why should they? Ive known of these toponyms for years & researched their etymology. Ilir & Luma, my mistakes you pointed out have been corrected and the consistency of the research has not been altered. Luma, I already mentioned twice in this thread that Dardanians split into Anatolian & Caucasian branches in 1500 AD, long before Caucasian Albania was founded. Ilir, Dardanians & Illirians merged but the Dardanians had different origin, names & language. In the matter of physical character, skeletal evidence from prehistoric cemeteries suggests no more than average height (male 1.65 m; female 1.53). Not much reliance should perhaps be placed on attempts to define an Illyrian anthropological type as short and dark-skinned similar to modern Albanians.
John Wilkes The Peoples of Europe: The Illyrians Page: 219 1992 Blackwell Publishers www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/faqe_wilkes_219.jpgIllyrians & Dardanians were two separate people even in antiquity. The excerpt below is worth reading because it sheds light on how different Dardanians were compared to the Illyrians who surrounded them. For example: out of 20 place names (toponyms) in Dardania: 4 are definitely Thracian and 8 Illyrian. This means that 8 / 20 Dardanian place names are neither Illyrian nor Thracian - nor are they Greek or Dacian. They simply cannot be grouped into any classical Balkan language: This makes any neat apportioning of the Dardanian onomastic material less plausible and suggests that the Dardanians are better regarded as a separate onomastic province. The problems are no less in regard to the place names of the region... Out of 20 place names 4 are definitely Thracian...and 8 Illyrian. The two groups are distributed in a pattern similar to the personal names: Thracian only in the East and Illyrian mainly, but not entirely in the West.
As modern scholarship becomes more skeptical of simple theories of how change occurs in the remote past, so the homogeneities of prehistoric and historic formations have been revealed as false of illusory.
John Wilkes The Peoples of Europe: The Illyrians Page: 144, 145 1992 Blackwell PublishersWilkes suggests that "the Dardanians are better regarded as a separate onomastic province". In other words, they did not speak an Illyrian dialect, at least not originally. There is also the matter of personal names. Wilkes says that Dardanian rulers always had Illyrian names. But a number of other Dardanian names have no parallel outside the area: The ethnic affinities of the Dardanians, from whose name is said to derive the modern Albanian word for 'pear' (dardhe) as revealed by the names of their territory have been examined by Papazoglu .. The recorded names Dardanian leaders during the Macedonian and Roman wars...are all Illyrian. Native names on Roman tombstones of the 2nd to 3rd centuries are unevenly distributed in Dardanian territory, with several areas entirely devoid of evidence.
In the matter of distribution, the Thracian names are found mainly in eastern Dardania...although some Illyrian names do occur. (They) are entirely dominant in the western areas...while Thracian names are absent. In favor of (Illyrianization) may be the close correspondence of Illyrian names in Dardania with those of the 'real' Illyrians to their west including the names of the Dardanian rulers... Other Dardanian names are linked with the central Dalmatian group...
Yet this leaves a number of Dardanian names with no parallel outside the area:
Ambia
Blicities
Bubita
Cocaius
Ettela Maema Mescena
Mesta
Romma
Sausa
Momonia
Nanea
Ninis
Pasadis
Pita
Utinadius
John Wilkes The Peoples of Europe: The Illyrians Page: 86 1992 Blackwell Publishers www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/faqe_86.jpgPrijesdardanian, no links please. Luma, my timeline is not a problem. I already mentioned twice that Dardanians split into Anatolian & Caucasian branches in 1500 AD, long before Caucasian Albania was founded. As for questions of how influential my internet activity, specifically my website, let me My website gets 20 000 visitors annualy.My website will be divided in 3 manuscrips. 1/3 of my websites traffic is repeat visitors who have my website set as their homepage. That is being taken seriously. Ask me to make the stats available. It scares you that the Lessons learned on this forum go way beyond the 30 Serbophobes who are its active members. Im leaving for Serbia in Feb with $25000 I saved in 1.5 years of working 2 jobs and living at home. It costs $1500 to self-publish a book there and ship it to bookstores. You lojavi are worthless. you band together like rats & attack thinking your numbers give you strength. Bravery & honor can't be attained by descendants of opportunistic converts to Islam for money & power and descendants of brainwashed jannissaries. Bravery means speaking the truth when outnumbered & outgunned even if it hurts you. Balije betrayed the Kotromanici. Sipci betrayed Skenderbeg. Both deny reality. Both hate Srpstvo. Both are essentialy Serb-derived fuly or partialy. You deserve to be holocausted.
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Post by highduke on Oct 20, 2008 14:23:59 GMT -5
private message sent to: rex362, kapetan, yenicer01, demonel, ilir, luma1912, prijedardanian, novipazar, bog
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Post by rex362 on Oct 20, 2008 15:08:47 GMT -5
HD ....I told you in private message ... you do not have to give me a heads up on your postings ....I live to read your stuff .. I search it out every time I have to hit the crapper with my laptop in tow .. see......
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 20, 2008 15:48:48 GMT -5
private message sent to: rex362, kapetan, yenicer01, demonel, ilir, luma1912, prijedardanian, novipazar, bog I did not get a private message you crazy "scientist"
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