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Post by srbobran on Oct 13, 2008 19:53:53 GMT -5
Dodik's a bitch. Anytime an elections looming or his ratings drop, he says he's gonna separate. That fact of the matter is, he doesn't have shit in terms of plans to separate. He's all talk and if Bosnian Serbs actually want to separate, he's the last kind of person they need.
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 21:06:15 GMT -5
barem kod nas može postojati takva balija, kod vas je svaki četnik, prljavi, smrdljivi, neškolovani, bradati, usrani četnik. A fino si svog babu tu opisao. Slazem se sa tobom.
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 21:14:56 GMT -5
Karabin and Highduke who think that Russia will somehow send their troops in Bosnia so that RS can separate I'd like to introduce you to the term "sphere of influence" and Russian sphere of influence starts and ends with countries on its border. Bosnia is in French-German or the EU sphere of influence and Russians will not have any saying in Bosnia for a very very veeeerrrryyyy long time. That term of yours Sphere of Influence is subject to to change. Yugoslavia too was under the Russian sphere of influence up until 1991. What never stops to amaze me though is how Muslims and Albanians believe that whatever happens now is permanently set. You should get used to a fact that all world events and powers take turns pretty much like a sinusoidal waveform. Russians and the East are getting stronger whilst the USA and the West weaker. I therefore fully understand the amount of barking that is coming from the pro USA ethnic groups as they very well know what happens when the other half of the sphere takes power. Once again, the West had its turn for almost 20 years now, unchallenged by anyone and they have just passed the peak of their half of the sinusoidal wave. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 13, 2008 21:16:57 GMT -5
The Muslims (and Croats) are a non factor in all this. They outnumbered Yugoslav forces by 3:1 during the last war and only managed to get levy after heavy NATO/US/UN intervention (demilitarized zones that only applied to Yugoslav forces, no fly zones that only applied to Yugoslav forces, bombings, weapons, etc.) This was without Serbia supporting RSK/RS with its own soldiers (and even putting an embargo on them from 1994) or unconditional equipment and resources (RS and Western RSK had to buy what they needed to continue the war.) To sum it up: Muslims, Croats and Russians are irrelevant to RS's ability to achieve and maintain independence, all that really matters is Serbia's unconditional support. Also, read: Ah Yes, Peacekeepers.
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 21:45:38 GMT -5
LOL, what are you talking about, what NATO? Muslims did all their "advancement" with a couple of 7.62mm hunting rifles, a few hot potatoes and the good will to succeed. Seriously now what NATO!!! As if NATO bombed serb positions throughout the war especially in1995 so they would get us to sign the Dayton accord. I mean NATO saved us from those 7.62mm rounds. I thank you NATO!!!! On a serious note though, this whole conflict has been dirty as dirty can get. My old man was telling me during his time at the front that often they could take key muslim positions with ease (after a battle or failed muslim offensive) only too many times the orders came not to do so. He says the soldiers were puzzled as to why the command would not allow them to take something that would have been as easy as picking up a stone. POLITICS my friends. IF any of you think that the WAR in BiH was about some religious differences then you are wrong.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 13, 2008 23:55:14 GMT -5
On a serious note though, this whole conflict has been dirty as dirty can get. My old man was telling me during his time at the front that often they could take key muslim positions with ease (after a battle or failed muslim offensive) only too many times the orders came not to do so. He says the soldiers were puzzled as to why the command would not allow them to take something that would have been as easy as picking up a stone. POLITICS my friends. IF any of you think that the WAR in BiH was about some religious differences then you are wrong. Aye... I've heard stories like that too. There really is not point in fighting any war unless all Serbs are united and determined.
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 14, 2008 0:29:04 GMT -5
LOL, what are you talking about, what NATO? Muslims did all their "advancement" with a couple of 7.62mm hunting rifles, a few hot potatoes and the good will to succeed. Seriously now what NATO!!! LOL Yeh my uncles and older cousins tell me it happened to them aswell. Sometimes even having to pull back abit from orders from Beograd.
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Post by whateva on Oct 14, 2008 1:29:55 GMT -5
Them having to pull back in certain areas had more to do with political deals that were done between Serbia and Croatia and sometimes due to fact that Serbs simply didn't have the man power to hold some of the freshly taken areas as the war progressed, In Bihac region for example Abdic followers would take certain area but they never had the manpower to hold what they take so Serbs would come and replace them or the other way around.
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Post by vinjak on Oct 14, 2008 1:52:58 GMT -5
My old man was telling me during his time at the front that often they could take key muslim positions with ease (after a battle or failed muslim offensive) only too many times the orders came not to do so. He says the soldiers were puzzled as to why the command would not allow them to take something that would have been as easy as picking up a stone. POLITICS my friends. IF any of you think that the WAR in BiH was about some religious differences then you are wrong. Yeh my uncles and older cousins tell me it happened to them aswell. Sometimes even having to pull back abit from orders from Beograd.Absolutley correct those positions that where given back cost lives you could see your friends dying to take a position once it was taken all of a sudden you where ordered to pull back, and let the enemy just walk in, a normal person can take this a couple of times but it happened regualry this caused massive desertions. just imagine that when your ordered to pull back to high position where you can see the enemy just strolling in and they know you are up there cause they can see you through binoculars and they deliberatly take out scarves and pretend to dance the Kolo..also the position your in now is a mortar shot away of the very people that your friends died fighting and yet you cannot fire, most smart commanders would keep there soldiers busy all the time digging trenches etc but the new replacements always made the mistake of letting there men stand around watching there enemy. And all of a sudden the order was given to take back the very F^%ken ground you just were ordered to give back, only now the enemy was ready and firmly entrenched.
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Post by whateva on Oct 14, 2008 2:03:22 GMT -5
Like you just said it was trench warfare and if you want to see how much teritory changes in trench warfare look up western front in WW1. To give you a example, Serbs attack Bosnian positions 25km away from lets say Zenica a well known Bosnian stronghold and they push Bosnian forces back. Bosnians fall back to reserve positions and they have another 10-15 thousand more people comming to help out and counter attack while Serbs have absolutely nobody even guarding their old positions. Now you have a choice stay and fight at the place that you just took away from your enemy and risk a counter offensive that could wipe out your people and leave nobody behind to stop Bosnians going deep into your teritory and causing all kinds of havoc. Or you fall back to where you came from and continue shelling the civilians and keeping those Bosnian soldiers contained in that area so they cant do any offensive actions against you.
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 14, 2008 3:09:47 GMT -5
Whateva is right. Considering that the Secessionists outnumbered the Yugoslavs about 3:1 it only makes sense that they wouldn't dedicate themselves to any deep incursions. Of course if they did have Serbia's unconditional support and Serbia mobilized its reserves and economy then the Yugoslav forces could have had equal manpower to the Secessionists.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 14, 2008 8:04:51 GMT -5
Oh I apologize. I forgot this is Vlachistory, not real history. In Vlachistory you definitely are this UBBA nation, please continue.
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Post by karabin on Oct 14, 2008 8:08:17 GMT -5
Oh I apologize. I forgot this is Vlachistory, not real history. Like your history is the real history. pffft
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Post by bob1389 on Oct 14, 2008 8:52:50 GMT -5
I really dont see why the Bosniaks insist on a unified BiH. Even if entites were abolished tommorow they still wouldnt be able to call all the shots. It would still be a 3-way tug.
Federation BIH on its own - bosniak majority. They would basically have their own country to run. To choose the flag, anthem and whatever else as they wish. It would mean a Bosniak dominated police force, army aswell as the political institutions.
They would be able to focuss their attention to EU memembership, NATO aswell - without the worry of what Mile in Banjaluka has to say.
A unified Bosnia, at peace with itself and under the authority of Sarajevo would be as likely as another Yugoslavia = NULA.
Guess since they havent ever in their history managed a country on their own it might seem a bit scary...like learning to ride a bicycle.
nek im taj njihov allah vise jednom podari pamet...
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Post by tito on Oct 14, 2008 9:10:55 GMT -5
I really dont see why the Bosniaks insist on a unified BiH. Even if entites were abolished tommorow they still wouldnt be able to call all the shots The reason you don’t see is because you assume that Bosniaks for some reason must be just as obsessed about “calling all the shots” as serbs.
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Post by karabin on Oct 14, 2008 10:54:59 GMT -5
I really dont see why the Bosniaks insist on a unified BiH. Even if entites were abolished tommorow they still wouldnt be able to call all the shots The reason you don’t see is because you assume that Bosniaks for some reason must be just as obsessed about “calling all the shots” as serbs. But you are. If you weren't you would not have proclaimed "independence" in a country that constitued of 3 ethnic groups. I guess only allah understood as to how that would work out?!?!
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 14, 2008 14:11:24 GMT -5
LOL, what are you talking about, what NATO? Muslims did all their "advancement" with a couple of 7.62mm hunting rifles, a few hot potatoes and the good will to succeed. Seriously now what NATO!!! As if NATO bombed serb positions throughout the war especially in1995 so they would get us to sign the Dayton accord. I mean NATO saved us from those 7.62mm rounds. I thank you NATO!!!! On a serious note though, this whole conflict has been dirty as dirty can get. My old man was telling me during his time at the front that often they could take key muslim positions with ease (after a battle or failed muslim offensive) only too many times the orders came not to do so. He says the soldiers were puzzled as to why the command would not allow them to take something that would have been as easy as picking up a stone. POLITICS my friends. IF any of you think that the WAR in BiH was about some religious differences then you are wrong. So you are complaining about that the UN didn't allow the Bosnian Serb leadership to slaughter us all, okey, then I should at least be allowed to comment on the unfair balance of officers in proportion to the makeup of the Yugoslav population in the JNA as of the late 80s, and its transformation into a Serb force, seen as our tax money payed or it as much as yours did... anyways, thanks for that last comment, you just proved my point, POLITICS, and that it had nothing to do and still to this day, has nothing to do with religious differences, that are pointed out to us all the time by our leaders... so seen as you got what I was talking about, could we please stop with this insanity...
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 14, 2008 14:13:25 GMT -5
Dodik's a b***h. Anytime an elections looming or his ratings drop, he says he's gonna separate. That fact of the matter is, he doesn't have s**t in terms of plans to separate. He's all talk and if Bosnian Serbs actually want to separate, he's the last kind of person they need. yeah, thats about right, each election year, for some reason, the talk about the imminent destruction of the RS conflict also doubles, strange huh...
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 14, 2008 14:18:56 GMT -5
Karabin and Highduke who think that Russia will somehow send their troops in Bosnia so that RS can separate I'd like to introduce you to the term "sphere of influence" and Russian sphere of influence starts and ends with countries on its border. Bosnia is in French-German or the EU sphere of influence and Russians will not have any saying in Bosnia for a very very veeeerrrryyyy long time. That term of yours Sphere of Influence is subject to to change. Yugoslavia too was under the Russian sphere of influence up until 1991. What never stops to amaze me though is how Muslims and Albanians believe that whatever happens now is permanently set. You should get used to a fact that all world events and powers take turns pretty much like a sinusoidal waveform. Russians and the East are getting stronger whilst the USA and the West weaker. I therefore fully understand the amount of barking that is coming from the pro USA ethnic groups as they very well know what happens when the other half of the sphere takes power. Once again, the West had its turn for almost 20 years now, unchallenged by anyone and they have just passed the peak of their half of the sinusoidal wave. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Russian sphere of influence has just returned to the former Soviet Union, and is far of the Balkans, and they need Montenegro and Serbia, they do not care about the RS... And, I would like to say, you asked in one of your posts, why on earth you would like to live with us,talking about BiH, here is why, unless we get over our differences, and live together, and stop with nationalism, we are going to be dependent on spheres of influence by outside forces, and seen as these change, we will be in endless meaningless wars against each other, as those spheres of influence change, wanting to "get even" for our losses during the reign of a former sphere of influence holder.... BiH is best suited to be neutral..
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Post by kapetan on Oct 14, 2008 14:24:34 GMT -5
Karabin and Highduke who think that Russia will somehow send their troops in Bosnia so that RS can separate I'd like to introduce you to the term "sphere of influence" and Russian sphere of influence starts and ends with countries on its border. Bosnia is in French-German or the EU sphere of influence and Russians will not have any saying in Bosnia for a very very veeeerrrryyyy long time. That term of yours Sphere of Influence is subject to to change. Yugoslavia too was under the Russian sphere of influence up until 1991. . Not really. People constantly keep forgeting Yugoslavia wasn't in the Eastern Bloc, started the non aligned-movement, was great friends with USA and the West, used their money to prop up our economy, we are in Southern/Southeastern Europe, Meditteranan, and that Tito said f**k you to Stalin and that Stalin tried to kill him numerous times. The founding leaders of the Non-Aligned states meet in New York in October 1960. From left: Jawaharlal Nehru of India, Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, Sukarno of Indonesia and Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia. "Spheres of influence" is exactly the kind of thing they wantedto avoid falling in. Britain and USSR had PLANS how tosplitu Europe, but those plans didn't work as planned. People don't realize that Yugoslavia gets alot of credit (at least among scholars, not mainstream) for opposing the Soviet Union. Simply put: It was in between the two.
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