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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 27, 2008 11:34:17 GMT -5
Pick (PICT UP TO TWO OPTIONS) which one of these ideas do you prescribe to and feel free to write as to why.
I am myself an Agnostic (one without knowledge of whether there is divine or not) and the reason is that I can not imagine a human being that logically can claim to be anything else as how can one claim to know whether there is divine or whether there is not (I believe that we do not have capability to find this out or at least not now and perhaps we never will).
I will edit out replies on this thread if I see that they might have the propensity to deflect the following replies from the intended subject towards the one that is fully unrelated.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 27, 2008 12:00:38 GMT -5
Keeping Track (please note what did you vote for)
01) AAdmin........................... clicked on Agnostic 02) arsenije.......................... clicked on Religious(Serbian Orthodoxy) 03) tito ................................ clicked on Religious (Sunni Islam) 04) manijak.......................... clicked on Agnostic 05) Boško Buha.................... clicked on Religious (Sunni Islam) 06) Praporshchik Bosnatron... clicked on Agnostic 07) Kapetan...........................clicked on Agnostic and Atheist 08) VANiLo..............................clicked on Religious (Shia Islam) 09) RuseBG............................clicked on Agnostic 10) Illyria.............................clicked on Spiritual 11) hellboy87.......................clicked on Agnostic and Gaia 12) meltdown711.................clicked on Atheist 13) srbobran .......................clicked on Agnostic and Religious (Serbian Orthodoxy) 14) tyson..............................clicked on Religious(Roman Catholic) 15) Bob1389........................clicked on Religious (Serbian Orthodoxy) 16) markosijekira.................clicked on Atheist 17) karabin..........................clicked on Atheist 18) Malsor4Life....................clicked on Religious(Roman Catholic) 19) yeni................................clicked on Religious (Sunni Islam) 20) SKORIC..........................clicked on Agnostic 21) fazlinho..........................clicked on Religious (Sunni Islam) 22) endrit.............................clicked on Religious (Sunni Islam) 23) MiG.................................clicked on Religious(Roman Catholic) 24) ljudozder........................(has not yet?)clicked on Agnostic 25) wbb.................................clicked on Religious (Sunni Islam)
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Post by manijak on Dec 27, 2008 12:06:42 GMT -5
I voted Agnostic.
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Post by sweetnugs on Dec 27, 2008 13:35:08 GMT -5
I voted Agnostic as well, although I don't run away from the fact that I was raised as a cultural muslim and observe bajram as a traditional/cultural holiday.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 27, 2008 13:44:20 GMT -5
I voted agnostic and athiest and agree with the man above.
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Post by vanilo on Dec 27, 2008 15:26:16 GMT -5
I voted Religious (org.Abrahamic religions). I'm Shia Muslim.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 27, 2008 16:02:32 GMT -5
Technically I am Orthodox but I don't care much about religion. I try to keep to the traditions, though and I am very superstitious.
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Post by bob1389 on Dec 27, 2008 16:26:19 GMT -5
Being 'Agnostic' is a cop out. Religion is about faith, you either have it or you don't.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 27, 2008 16:28:28 GMT -5
How is Agnostic a cop out? Zou don't know if there's god and you donæt pretend to know.
wtf is faith anyway? retarted concept for weaklings who need a crutch through liffe.
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Trazi Vise
Amicus
Today's "church" has NOTHING to do with religion.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 27, 2008 20:04:16 GMT -5
How can you be agnostic but observe and celebrate Islam? You either believe in it or you don't. No point sitting on a fence.
I voted Spiritual.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 27, 2008 20:55:12 GMT -5
Agnostic and Othodox Christian. I don't know much about the religion at all but observe traditions like the slava and whatnot.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 27, 2008 21:00:07 GMT -5
Radical Atheist. For me the concept of a supernatural anything is just laughable...
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Boško Buha
Amicus
Istina Je Nasa Snaga, Pravda Nasa Sudbina, Ljubav Nasa Nada, Mir Nasa Poruka A BOSNA Nasa Domovina
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Post by Boško Buha on Dec 27, 2008 21:16:29 GMT -5
tito high 5!
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 27, 2008 21:18:18 GMT -5
Cop out is an idiom meaning to avoid (1)taking responsibility for an action or to (2)avoid fulfilling a duty.
(1) Responsibility to what exactly but to oneself. One of the definitions of responsibility is 'being a source or cause' as you are the only one responsible for your own actions (unless you are well underage)'. Here one acknowledges (thus being the cause of such acknowledgment that was acquired through their own reasoning) that by using sheer reason one can not but come up with agnostic approach as there is no proof to prove or disprove existence of the divine. Therefore one is responsible to their own reason and sanity to take an approach that is most rational which is an Agnostic approach if one is to be solely rational. Another definition for responsibility is " Able to make moral or rational decisions on one's own and therefore answerable for one's behavior." Religious person is judging the world through someones else's eyes as decided in certain so called "holly" books. This in turn is usually passed down through generations (where one, probability accident itself, is born by sheer luck of circumstances into a given family) or acquired through religious conversion. Thus there is no intellectual autonomy but in fact intellectual bondage to someone else's ideas. In fact there is not a shred of responsibility but full lack of it.
(2) Avoid fulfilling what duty but to ones sanity and reason (as without sanity and reason one can not be considered fully functional member of a functional thus rationalist society) to again take an approach that is most rational which is an Agnostic approach as none can prove or disprove that there is such an existence as there is no shred of evidence (outside of human imagination or perhaps fabrications initially made to assume mass control over primitive illiterate early populations).
Therefore a real cop out is certainly not being agnostic as that is the choice that is actually furthermost from this term as far as correlation between the two go.
PS: One can easily be agnostic and attend a ceremony performed by a given religious order for various reasons. Some of them could be sheer way of respect of ones traditions, curiosity or entertainment. Fully enlightened agnostic is a person that is covered by light (=reason or having open eyes and seeing the world through your own eyes) and light can never be engulfed by darkness (=fear induced dogma or viewing the world through closed eyes and judging it through someone Else's analysis) given that darkness can never be introduced into a well lit room.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 27, 2008 21:25:40 GMT -5
erm AAdmin,
what happened is this:I clicked on Agnostic,then I clicked on the stop button because I suddenly realised that I could click two.
So I then clicked on gaia and click vote and the page said you are not allowed to vote.But turns out it got my first click.
I choose two:Agnostic and Gaia
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AA: You can retract your vote and then vote again.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 28, 2008 2:55:57 GMT -5
How can you be agnostic but observe and celebrate Islam? You either believe in it or you don't. No point sitting on a fence. I voted Spiritual. Because there is a difference between perosnal belif, and a cultural ethnic heritage and system.
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Trazi Vise
Amicus
Today's "church" has NOTHING to do with religion.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 28, 2008 4:37:41 GMT -5
^But how can you celebrate and observe something that is not apart of your belief system? You can acknowledge it sure, but the rest well would be going against your belief system.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 28, 2008 5:44:35 GMT -5
^But how can you celebrate and observe something that is not apart of your belief system? You can acknowledge it sure, but the rest well would be going against your belief system. The same way 90% of people don't give a s**t about the Jesus and religious aspects of Christmas but have dinners, put up trees and hand out presents. Every single athiest and agnostic I know still gets presents for Christmas. Do you realize the difference between cultural heritage and personal belif? you do s**t on halloween too, but you dont have to belive anything supernatrual about it anymore.
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Trazi Vise
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Today's "church" has NOTHING to do with religion.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 28, 2008 6:16:50 GMT -5
That's right thoose 90% of people are defying the purpose of the whole celebration. Just like you are defying the purpose of being agnostic, but still observing. Doesn't make sense at all.
Yep cultural heritage is something that just is, something you have no control over, belief is having faith in something that you believe is true. Not sure what you meant about the halloween tradition; I don't live in America and don't celebrate things like that. They only celebrations I follow are births, deaths and marriages.
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Post by manijak on Dec 28, 2008 7:56:46 GMT -5
That's right thoose 90% of people are defying the purpose of the whole celebration. Just like you are defying the purpose of being agnostic, but still observing. Doesn't make sense at all. Yep cultural heritage is something that just is, something you have no control over, belief is having faith in something that you believe is true. Not sure what you meant about the halloween tradition; I don't live in America and don't celebrate things like that. They only celebrations I follow are births, deaths and marriages. It has more to do with tradition, illyria. I'm agnostic but still celebrate bajram to a certain level. My family was never religious but we did do the whole, make some food, spend time with family, you usually got money or some small gifts from family, etc I've always said I think the best part of religion is that it ATTEMPTS to bring out the good in people, but it never really does. Instead people use religion as a mask to do bad things.
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