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Post by kapetan on Sept 13, 2008 17:59:53 GMT -5
Slav-hating Slavs, it's really sad to see such people exist. If you are a Slav and feel closer to certain western european nations then you have a real problem. This coming from Kapetan: "So yes I hate countries that belong in Eastern Europe, which is really just a blanket term to say I hate Russia, Ukraine, Poland etc.." Why do you hate them? Do you hate western Europe too? I just don't get this stupid idea of deciding who you like by what their linguistical type is or religion or whatever else. I'm I like MY OWN, which is the Balkan and Bosnia-herzegovina. I like Bosnians. I don't get why I'm 'supposed' to like Poland or any other random place. I've never even heard of thse things befre coming online on these forums. Certinly nobody around me in Bosnia thought like that. Maybe its a Serb thing. I just dont decide what I am for or against by religion or language or any of that. I'm a so called Muslim but I suport the war on terror and Afghan war 100%, I support America etc.. And yea I pretty much think the rest of Europe is a bunch of f*gs too now that you ask me. Spain's cool though. Portugal's cool in my book. There's a few exceptions. It's not real "hate" in the genuine sense of the word anyway, just a dislike for some things that most of these places have or do. Keep in mind I am in Canada and i am surrounded by TONS of Polacks and Ukranians lmao Why you even talking about genes wtf? Since when do simmilar or differen genes determine weather people unite or hate. IDEAS AND GOALS AND MENTALITY OF THE SAME KING BIND PEOPLE more then ANYTHING. Easily. This is why America is a great country, people of hundreds of backgrounds, BUT THEY ARE ONE THING: AMERICAN. And it's your goals and ideas that determine where you will go and with who. We're pretty close to monkeys like 98% should I get along with chimps? CHIMP PRIDE!!!!!
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Post by Banatski on Sept 13, 2008 18:04:49 GMT -5
Hey, I didn't tell you should like them, I just asked why you said you hated them. Also, don't forget that these Ukrainians and Poles that you are surrounded with are immigrants, so you can't judge them as a nation before you visit Ukraine, Poland, Slovakia... That's all I am saying.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 13, 2008 18:06:41 GMT -5
Hey, I didn't tell you should like them, I just asked why you said you hated them. Also, don't forget that these Ukrainians and Poles that you are surrounded with are immigrants, so you can't judge them as a nation before you visit Ukraine, Poland, Slovakia... That's all I am saying. You are right there , I can't judge a whole nation of people. But I really just am turned off by Polish culture for example and most things about them. Is hard to explain...you know hen you just DONT LIKE something lol The look of it, the feel of it etc. Basicly to all these places, I either dislike them or am completly indiferent and don't care.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 14, 2008 0:48:11 GMT -5
"Slavic" is a purely LINGUISTIC term. I don't see why speaking a language distantly related to one another makes us brethren or what not. Why should we feel close to Poles or Czechs when we have HEAPS more in common with Greeks, for example? Its just retarded if you ask me. If you feel closer to Greeks it's your sentiment, I don't feel culturally very close to them. At least I don't feel them closer than Russians, Ukrainians, Slovaks... Have you been to Greece, then to Ukraine, Russia, Belarus? Also, are you saying we are genetically closer to Greeks than to Ukrainians, Czechs, Poles? I don't have such an impression, really. Banatski, as you know i admire your spirit and your sharp way of thinking. Being a greek, i believe that although genetically (and especially today when every greek kid is at least 15cm taller than his dad, and quite blonder as well) we dont differ that much, the distance in mentality is huge. While we greeks look a lot like europeans, mentality wise i think we are closer to the lebanese or palestenians. (which is not an apriori bad thing) You nation is manufacturing-intensive by tradition, we are investment-business-intensive by tradition. The language barrier also is huge, although i believe (having a serb wife and trying to learn serbian myself) that before 5,000 or 6,000 years greek and slav was one language. Greek Serb ===== ==== Treho Trcim Trehis Trcis Trehi Trci Trehome Trcimo Trehete Trcite Trexoun Trce (Vin thanx corrected) Well i am all in for slavic unity, as long as old lone and isolated civilazations are intact, in other words as long as you dont become the same in greed as our western friends. You have the power. Use it wisely and by the will of God.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 1:09:52 GMT -5
^ this will sound contradictory but in terms of culture the south slavs have much in common with our Greek brothers and sisters, like l said one time that whenever l get into a greek home, l actually do feel like l'm at home whereas if l go into a polish or german, l feel there is something missing. I believe that its better for all slavs to get along, l was saddened to see the end of yugoslavia but what do you do.....damn albanians!.
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Post by vinjak on Sept 14, 2008 1:30:32 GMT -5
Trexoun Trciju (?? is that correct).
Nah man its Trce
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 14, 2008 2:04:29 GMT -5
^ this will sound contradictory but in terms of culture the south slavs have much in common with our Greek brothers and sisters, like l said one time that whenever l get into a greek home, l actually do feel like l'm at home whereas if l go into a polish or german, l feel there is something missing. I believe that its better for all slavs to get along, l was saddened to see the end of yugoslavia but what do you do.....damn albanians!. in some home yes... but then we should do some other simple tests regarding acquiring a new ID, or simply get your car to a mechanic for wheel alignment or some other job, and perform these tests in a) Lebanon b) Greece c) Serbia d) Poland I remember going to Brcko's mercedes for diagnosing a noise in my car and the guy there besides having my car testing for 30 minutes, he gave me a written signed diagnosis (and a correct one as well!!) (a noise from bad tyres) When i showed that to my father he kind of shut up for a while, and then started to believe in the same stereotypes of yugoslavs living in caves and bearing kalaznikovs 24x7. In village houses yes we may be somehow similar, but in business its like we are from different planets.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 7:13:36 GMT -5
"When i showed that to my father he kind of shut up for a while, and then started to believe in the same stereotypes of yugoslavs living in caves and bearing kalaznikovs 24x7."
Montenegrins are the cave dwellers, don't tell aadmin that lmao
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Post by fazlinho on Sept 14, 2008 7:36:52 GMT -5
I don't really feel much in common with other Slavs... and it's funny thinking we are brother nations considering everything that has happened and still happens. Slavic as many have said is just a linguistic denotation... by that logic Romanians and Spaniards should feel some bond but obviously they don't.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 14, 2008 7:58:36 GMT -5
" The whole Slav pride thing, I just think its BS. Its obvious MOST Serbs can trace their roots back to something non-Slavic and I really don't see why someone who speaks a distantly related language to me should be my "Brother". What are you part Greek or part FYROMian or something? Do you even know any other Slavs? I know more Greeks then Slavs, & as much as I love Greeks, I firmly believe we have more in common with Slovaks & Ukranians then Greeks... as you have indicated you think. Realistically though I'm willing to call this one an even score in the Serbian mentality. I believe Karadzic said something like, "the Serbs have two friends, God & the Greeks." ...Bulls**t saying but whatever... Don't underestimate the relevance of language. Language is everything. Reality is heavily infuenced/limited by language, & our commonalities strongly correlate to it. On the one hand you say there's little genetic similarity, but on the other hand you say we are closer to the Greeks to whom we have far far less genetic commonality. If I recall correctly, you were the one who tried to promote common genetics between Serbs & Bulgarians. What a load of crap. Our language, mentality, culture (folk dancing, pagan customs etc) are far closer to other slavs."
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 14, 2008 8:01:46 GMT -5
You are right there , I can't judge a whole nation of people. But I really just am turned off by Polish culture for example and most things about them. Is hard to explain...you know hen you just DONT LIKE something lol The look of it, the feel of it etc. Please explain this one a bit more. I'm interested to know. Serbs are probably least closest to Poles in the Slav world, but going by the internet, Polaks seem to love Serbs. They are teh biggest Slavophiles which could be a simple explanation but still weird.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 8:12:47 GMT -5
"What are you part Greek or part FYROMian or something? Do you even know any other Slavs? I know more Greeks then Slavs, & as much as I love Greeks, I firmly believe we have more in common with Slovaks & Ukranians then Greeks... as you have indicated you think. Realistically though I'm willing to call this one an even score in the Serbian mentality. I believe Karadzic said something like, "the Serbs have two friends, God & the Greeks." ...Bulls**t saying but whatever... Don't underestimate the relevance of language. Language is everything. Reality is heavily infuenced/limited by language, & our commonalities strongly correlate to it. On the one hand you say there's little genetic similarity, but on the other hand you say we are closer to the Greeks to whom we have far far less genetic commonality. If I recall correctly, you were the one who tried to promote common genetics between Serbs & Bulgarians. What a load of crap. Our language, mentality, culture (folk dancing, pagan customs etc) are far closer to other slavs."
Arsenije, the Greeks have always been for serbia thick and thin, whereas russia are friends today and tomorrow?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 14, 2008 8:21:46 GMT -5
Arsenije, the Greeks have always been for serbia thick and thin, whereas russia are friends today and tomorrow? This comment shows you know little aout Slavs. Russians are in some ways further from "Slavdom" then Serbs. Panslavism was even anti-Russian. The biggest Slavophiles (Czechs, Polaks & Ukrainians) were & are still anti-Russian. If you think this has to do just with Russians (as you have indicated with this comment), then you need to to re-examine your knowledge of the slavs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 8:36:56 GMT -5
"This comment shows you know little aout Slavs. Russians are in some ways further from "Slavdom" then Serbs. Panslavism was even anti-Russian. The biggest Slavophiles (Czechs, Polaks & Ukrainians) were & are still anti-Russian. If you think this has to do just with Russians (as you have indicated with this comment), then you need to to re-examine your knowledge of the slavs."
Arsenije bro, l do know slavs well. I don't want to be anti no slav, l'm just saddened that how things have turned out. I just wished that sometimes politics doesn't get in the way and poison everybody. I'm saddened that Poland and the Czech republic recognised kosovo and it even pi**ed me off that Klaus then said to serbian diplomats later that he will never rest until they reverse kosovo recognition.....l found comment extremely downright evil because he was part of the recognition process. In my opinion it will be always better for slavs to be unified than against each other.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 14, 2008 11:07:23 GMT -5
I kinda think Arsenije is right.
Novi alright Greeks have supported Serbia for our own reasons (to be like the king of the balkans and to have pet states that loves us, generally we love to be loved), and because of our inherent anti-westernism (although with all the english speaking frenzy and the new emo-look you will hardly experience this in vivo in Athens).
BUT, i can assure you, that Greeks because we are too agnostic to anything else than arabian food (imam baildi, baklava,etc...) turkish ecenomic terms (pazar, harats, etc...) european money and of course completely 100% american way of life , we can believe very easily e.g. that Slavs have tails and big ears and wish to eliminate hellenism, etc... (look at the greek comments about Fyrom and you'll understand) I mean you are better with FYROMian enemies than Greek friends.
In the end, Serbia's best friend must be Serbia.
P.S. Novi, dont get me wrong, i still believe in my country we have one 10% alive of people with sharp minds and clear hearts, and thats what keeps me having this nationality and not apply for the Serb one. + it is a fucking hell to live here in Athens. Please come and then you will reconsider. (unless you say you are from australia, that will open all doors)
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Sept 14, 2008 11:38:38 GMT -5
Greeks and Russians..........and only Greeks and Russians.
I also feel close to Czechs.........I was in Montegro this year met a few. was actually quite amazed at how similar our languages were.
Never trust a Pole.....theyre the w**res of Europe, always sucking off either Germany or Russia at one time or another, until they get but fukced by both and whinge about it.
Croats are also getting close to the Poles......Spreading their legs for the EU. Be carefull Europe, Croatia has been around.............accept her, and youre accepting Crabs.
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Post by srbobran on Sept 14, 2008 12:13:41 GMT -5
Its stupid though. Serbs have never even had any real historical interaction with Poles or Slovaks, we never shared some sort of common bond in the past, and now, simply by virtue of the fact that we have a few words in common (HARDLY enough to even understand Russian or Polish etc.), we are eternal brothers. That's retarded. And let me tell you that I live in Canada and I see Russians and Ukrainians all the time and I get along great with them, I just don't see the point in listing every Slavic nation as our brothers when Russia is in fact the only one I would call a brother nation simply because we DID have historical bonds and we DID have much interaction with them in the past and we stood by one another so the basis for actually being "brothers" is there. I view them as friends not because of an arbitrary language grouping (because that would require me to like Poles etc. which I don't) but because they stood by us in our times of need.
I didn't "promote" common genetics between Serbs and Bulgarians I simply OBSERVED THAT THEY WERE THERE.
1. Bulgarian and Serbian are FAR closer to each other than Polish of Serbian (or any other Slavic language save for Croatian).
2. Our mentality is essentially the same (Balkanic).
3. They dance the Kolo while other Slavs DO NOT.
As far as Greeks are concerned, from the first day the Serbian states were formed, they have been HEAVILY influenced by Byzantine Greek culture (as evidenced in our architecture, coats of arms etc.) while at the same time we were completely isolated from Slavic culture which developed north of us.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 14, 2008 22:33:01 GMT -5
"(unless you say you are from australia, that will open all doors)" Yes, l'm from Australia, but whenever a greek finds out i'm serbian there is an immediate brotherhood
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Post by kapetan on Sept 14, 2008 22:43:31 GMT -5
" The whole Slav pride thing, I just think its BS. Its obvious MOST Serbs can trace their roots back to something non-Slavic and I really don't see why someone who speaks a distantly related language to me should be my "Brother". What are you part Greek or part FYROMian or something? Do you even know any other Slavs? I know more Greeks then Slavs, & as much as I love Greeks, I firmly believe we have more in common with Slovaks & Ukranians then Greeks... as you have indicated you think. Realistically though I'm willing to call this one an even score in the Serbian mentality. I believe Karadzic said something like, "the Serbs have two friends, God & the Greeks." ...Bulls**t saying but whatever... Don't underestimate the relevance of language. Language is everything. Reality is heavily infuenced/limited by language, & our commonalities strongly correlate to it. On the one hand you say there's little genetic similarity, but on the other hand you say we are closer to the Greeks to whom we have far far less genetic commonality. If I recall correctly, you were the one who tried to promote common genetics between Serbs & Bulgarians. What a load of crap. Our language, mentality, culture (folk dancing, pagan customs etc) are far closer to other slavs." I am from Bosnia and Hercegovina and I am telling you that we have never given a f**k about any of those nations and it has never entered my mind even to think like that. I don't what you don't get there. I ask my father and he laughs at it, telling me how Polacks and most East Europeans were looked down upon regularly in Yugoslavia as poor and dirty. I ask a Serb from Heregovina (my region) he says the same. Maybe it's just a SERBIA thing, and a RECENT thing amongst Bosnian Serbs. Since the 90's is when having those "slavic allies" was needed most, before that not so much. And Yugoslavia said f**k YOU to Russia in case you don't recall. I didn't promote genetics I pointed out what Serbs have pointed out on this forum as well. It's just fact. Serbians from Serbia are geneticly super close to Bulgarians. Bosnian Serbs are part of Serbdom through culture and religion, but geneticly they're different then Serbians like the rest of the Bosnians. The big contribution of Vlach blood in BiH being one factor. Just fact. But that's irrelevant, genetics have nothing to do with who you love. You're going to lov and get along with the one who shares your goals, ideas and thoughts. Mentality. You are right there , I can't judge a whole nation of people. But I really just am turned off by Polish culture for example and most things about them. Is hard to explain...you know hen you just DONT LIKE something lol The look of it, the feel of it etc. Please explain this one a bit more. I'm interested to know. Serbs are probably least closest to Poles in the Slav world, but going by the internet, Polaks seem to love Serbs. They are teh biggest Slavophiles which could be a simple explanation but still weird. I don't see what you need explaining...? I think Poland is gay. For the 50th time, I've never heard of the idea of "Slav unity" before coming to the net. The closest thing I ever heard to that in real life during the war was "Russia and Greece are our allies, and brothers in religion". This idea just didn't exist with us. Not to mention the obvious reason the rest of us have to dislike someone like Russia who helped you. We just don't give a shit about romantic concepts such as this. We only care for BiH and the people inside it. That's my land, that's my tribe, my clan, my PEOPLE, however you want it put.
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Post by karabin on Sept 15, 2008 2:01:16 GMT -5
I am from Bosnia and Hercegovina and I am telling you that we have never given a f**k about any of those nations and it has never entered my mind even to think like that. Likewise bosnain muslims did not give a f**k about the Arabs, Sandzak muslims, Turks..etc yet the war came and lookie here brotherhood call outs from the bosnian muslims. Likewise it has never entered my mind to think like that about the Muslim nations. Likewise that is how we looked at all the arabic and muslim countries. Your point? Does your serbian "friend" know how you really think about us serbs? Does he know the hatred and s**t you demonstrate towards Serbs on these forums. Is that how you talk to him too? I bet you, you are one of those p**ies who has no balls to express himself openly but chooses to use the internet and wage hatred. You are a keyboard soldier my friend. Just like you called your muslim allies. Fact is you are a SLAV yourself. You cannot be any different (unless your daddy is a real Turk). We all including bosnian muslims descend from the Slavs. Genetically you are a slav and the only thing that relates you to arabs is the religion. What the f**k is wrong your head mate? Do you realize how much you are embarrassing yourself by saying s**t like this. Serbs from Serbia are genetically close to all the Slavs in the balkans. They are in no way different from serbs in Bosnia or Croatia. Even culture is almost identical. Where you rip your info out from is beyond me but one thing's for sure, it has messed your head quite significantly. The s**t you spread is anything but a fact. Let me tell you a few facts: - You are a slav. - You are not related to turks or arabs other than via your religion - Bosnian muslims descend from serbs therefore you are a serb - some of your culture is from the turks but the majority is serb - no matter how hard you try, your father is a serb. I agree. That is correct. There is no such thing as a slav unity. Russia and greece are our "brothers" due to same believes, religion, support..etc Pretty much like bosnain muslims and Saudis. Only unity is out of interest. You keep on throwing BiH around. Mate BiH only exists on paper. The "BiH" you care for consists of the Federation only. Reading through most of your posts and the hatred towards Serbs it is extremely unlikely that when you refer to BiH people you are including the Serbs hence you are contradicting yourself in your statements. You should let go of your dream about some BiH because soon it will not exist. We tried to live peacefully together and look how it all turned out. As long as there is Serbs, Cros, and muslims living under one roof there won't be any peace so if you wish all the people in bosnia any good it is time for you to realize that the BiH idea is simply fiction.
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