ioan
Amicus
Posts: 4,162
|
Post by ioan on Jul 1, 2008 14:25:35 GMT -5
^ History is history with that country but l'm against this name they call themselves, to be honest with you ioan, kosovo i metohija is what all serbians care about, l don't care if this nation *vardar* is a nation but the name is not doing them any good, and it annoys me inside that they have been getting away with it. What do you think? I dont think they are Macedonians. I think the Macedonians were northwest Greek tribe. I think they were Bulgarians, heavily influence by Serbs in the last century. I think in the northwest there coyuld ve been some Serbs, but not much .
|
|
|
Post by Toskaliku on Jul 1, 2008 14:43:27 GMT -5
I can believe you idiots turned this topic based off a satirical map thats playing on the issue of immigration into a real discussion... only in the f'kin Balkans. Everywhere else in Europe people would just poke fun at it....
PS: This map was made a few years ago, right before Montenegro and Kosova declared their independence. Its playing almost only on the issue of immigration; hence while many of the central European countries are untouched.
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 1, 2008 14:48:28 GMT -5
I can believe you idiots turned this topic based off a satirical map thats playing on the issue of immigration into a real discussion... only in the f'kin Balkans. Everywhere else in Europe people would just poke fun at it.... It was the Jews who did it! I swearz. PS: This map was made a few years ago, right before Montenegro and Kosova declared their independence. Its playing only on the issue of immigration; hence while many of the Balkan countries are untouched. If I remember correctly the Albanians' declared KOSOVO an independent state and not kosova.
|
|
|
Post by Pejoni on Jul 1, 2008 16:16:55 GMT -5
I can believe you idiots turned this topic based off a satirical map thats playing on the issue of immigration into a real discussion... only in the f'kin Balkans. Everywhere else in Europe people would just poke fun at it.... It was the Jews who did it! I swearz. PS: This map was made a few years ago, right before Montenegro and Kosova declared their independence. Its playing only on the issue of immigration; hence while many of the Balkan countries are untouched. If I remember correctly the Albanians' declared KOSOVO an independent state and not kosova. Wrong...
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 1, 2008 19:01:21 GMT -5
"I dont think they are Macedonians."
I agree
"I think the Macedonians were northwest Greek tribe."
The macedonians are a Hellenic tribe (not vardarians)
"I think they were Bulgarians, heavily influence by Serbs in the last century. I think in the northwest there coyuld ve been some Serbs, but not much."
Disagree, the vardarians in the 19th century were influenced heavily by the Exarchate and in the 20th century by communists. They are not Bulgarians but a mixture between people north of vardar and east.
|
|
|
Post by srbobran on Jul 1, 2008 19:50:48 GMT -5
The northern and and western areas (not populated by Albanians) are undoubtedly Serbian. The people there are of Dinaric racial stock, have slavas, and speak a language akin to that of Serbia's.
|
|
|
Post by terroreign on Jul 1, 2008 20:24:20 GMT -5
Serbs arent of Dinaric racial stock, they are alpine, Peace out
|
|
|
Post by terroreign on Jul 1, 2008 20:27:00 GMT -5
Btw such a lame a$$ map
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 1, 2008 21:34:18 GMT -5
"I can believe you idiots turned this topic based off a satirical map thats playing on the issue of immigration into a real discussion..."
Yes your right its been based on current immigration and its taking the pee out of it.
|
|
ioan
Amicus
Posts: 4,162
|
Post by ioan on Jul 1, 2008 23:48:18 GMT -5
Serbs are not different from the Bulgarians, Greeks, Romanians. We are all predominantly mediteranian type (influence of preslavic people). I dont think there are more than 20 percent blue eyed/blond haired people (as it is in Bulgaria). Trying to differetiate the people in fyrom racially is laughable at best. The Balkans are very mixed. There is no typical Serb, Greek, Bulgarian. We are different culturally, linguistically. The only way we can say who is Bulgarian and who is Serb is by the language and especially by the Grammer. If we look at the grammer, we must accept they are Bulgarians.
|
|
wbb
Moderator
Posts: 733
|
Post by wbb on Jul 2, 2008 0:25:18 GMT -5
lol heheheehe ;D, that's right, the bloody child killer did it. anyway i contact ur nation, eeerrrmm bad news, Ivan Moldavi is back in cyberworld. im part serb, i a muslim and i make pita in hungary then..... HAAAALLLLLOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 2, 2008 6:41:51 GMT -5
Wrong... "Republic of Kosovo."
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 2, 2008 6:51:48 GMT -5
Ioan, toski is right, this topic has gonnnne way off topic but l will answer this:
"The only way we can say who is Bulgarian and who is Serb is by the language and especially by the Grammer. If we look at the grammer, we must accept they are Bulgarians."
Lanuage doesn't necessarily mean they are Bulgarians, they speak a lanuage that is closer to west bulgarian by a technicality because their lanuage *evolved* because they were influenced by the Byzantines, hence why shopi/torkian/vardarian and Bulgarian have definite articles, apparently some slavs from northern greece understand slovenes better than either a bulgarian or serbian.
Let me tell you ioan, the ameridians of south america speak spanish, does that make them spainsh?. If you look at their culture, it doesn't resemble spanish, but the vardarians culture resembles people from old serbia and montenegro when it comes to weddings, funerials and slava's etc.....
I've spent alot of time in the vardarian forum writing about these very things from different authors etc.....
Again the people down there in vardar are a mixed up stock that don't know who they are!.
|
|
ioan
Amicus
Posts: 4,162
|
Post by ioan on Jul 2, 2008 7:16:02 GMT -5
Ioan, toski is right, this topic has gonnnne way off topic but l will answer this: "The only way we can say who is Bulgarian and who is Serb is by the language and especially by the Grammer. If we look at the grammer, we must accept they are Bulgarians." Lanuage doesn't necessarily mean they are Bulgarians, they speak a lanuage that is closer to west bulgarian by a technicality because their lanuage *evolved* because they were influenced by the Byzantines, hence why shopi/torkian/vardarian and Bulgarian have definite articles, apparently some slavs from northern greece understand slovenes better than either a bulgarian or serbian. Let me tell you ioan, the ameridians of south america speak spanish, does that make them spainsh?. If you look at their culture, it doesn't resemble spanish, but the vardarians culture resembles people from old serbia and montenegro when it comes to weddings, funerials and slava's etc..... I've spent alot of time in the vardarian forum writing about these very things from different authors etc..... Again the people down there in vardar are a mixed up stock that don't know who they are!. Of course latins arent Spanish, they are at best partly spanish: they are born by mixing of natives, blacks and spanish so its well known fact they are not Spanish. On the other hand, we have this huge historic data which proves: 1. there were Peonians (Thracians), Bulgars (of Kuber), Slavs living in fyrom, that intermixed (the three people that took part into formation of Bulgarian nation); 2. fyrom was ruled by Bulgarians most of the time, including in the time when the bulgarian nation was forming; 3. ohrid and preslav were the two places in which bulgarian culture was flowrishing; 4. samuel called himself bulgarian king, greeks called fyrom bulgarians; 5. travellers called fyroms bulgarian. And the serbian claim is based on a sporadic rule on fyrom in middle ages (30 years) and sava? As i have said before, u have alot of Serbian land that is outside of your borders, u should concentrate on that. 2.
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 2, 2008 7:42:27 GMT -5
^ Please refer to Vardar forum!. I've just spent 50minutes writing about the lanuage issue in the topic called 'Macedonia, its Character, and Serb pretension.'
|
|
|
Post by Novus Dis on Jul 2, 2008 8:15:05 GMT -5
lol heheheehe ;D, that's right, the bloody child killer did it. anyway i contact ur nation, eeerrrmm bad news, Ivan Moldavi is back in cyberworld. I haven't got your message. im part serb, i a muslim and i make pita in hungary then..... HAAAALLLLLOOOOOO!!!!!!!! So... you're a Hungarian Muslim who is part Serb? ^ Please refer to Vardar forum!. I've just spent 50minutes writing about the lanuage issue in the topic called 'Macedonia, its Character, and Serb pretension.' I asked how Bulgarian and Macedonian was similar on the Macedonia forum and no one gave me a straight answer.
|
|
|
Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 2, 2008 10:16:55 GMT -5
The northern and and western areas (not populated by Albanians) are undoubtedly Serbian. The people there are of Dinaric racial stock, have slavas, and speak a language akin to that of Serbia's. there are only 1.3 % serbs mainly live in Shkupi/Skopje and Kumanova city...Northern is by Majority of ALbanians all villagers are Albanians while towns/cities are mixed. Northen belong only to Albanians aswell Presheva Valley who are close to North Macedonia. In Western part dont have any serb (maybe less than 200)
|
|
|
Post by srbobran on Jul 2, 2008 10:51:07 GMT -5
No. Serbs, along with Croats, Bosnians, Montenegrins and Northern Albanians are of Dinaric racial stock. It is has been confirmed by anthropologists a long time ago; not to mention that I and a large majority of the Serbs I see are Dinarics in their most typical definition.
|
|
|
Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 2, 2008 11:15:01 GMT -5
No. Serbs, along with Croats, Bosnians, Montenegrins and Northern Albanians are of Dinaric racial stock. It is has been confirmed by anthropologists a long time ago; not to mention that I and a large majority of the Serbs I see are Dinarics in their most typical definition. how only North ALbanians?...Albanians are most Dinaric stock of World and most and tipycall of Dinaric are Kosovar Albanians (along Western MacedoALbanians), NorthAlbanians and Montengrins. Serbs have a bit influence of Pontid, Baltid and Alpine and little Atlanto-Med.
|
|
|
Post by Sir Oliver on Jul 2, 2008 12:27:59 GMT -5
Well. At least Montenegro and Kosovo are still Serbian on that map.
|
|