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Post by radovic on Jun 4, 2008 12:12:13 GMT -5
Panos, your idols - NATO, while fighting the evil, fighting crime, breaking the monopoly of oil (which monopoly, ever heard of Venezuela, Sakhalin, Russia??), and helping women of iraq, they also .... MURDERED 300,000 iraqis as well!!! Also 10,000 of their own (i guess most of them *proud* black or latino americans) were killed. Panos, how old are you and where do you live? If you live in greece, then our educational system has big problems. His heros banned the Red Crescent and Red Cross from working in Iraq. The inaiblity of these two organizations to help in Iraq directly led to deaths of 1.5 million in a 12 year period, over 1/3 of which were children under 3 years of age.
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Post by radovic on Jun 4, 2008 12:13:28 GMT -5
4,000. Most of them are white rural Americans. The bulk of America's army still comes from the rural central America. rural central America. so they come form southerm mexico, guatemala, belize, honduras, nicaragua and panama. ;D
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Post by radovic on Jun 4, 2008 12:26:16 GMT -5
The war in Iraq was necessary and yielded 2 benefits. 1) Had America not gone to Iraq and ended the Saudi monopoly on oil, unemployment in the EU would be on average 20% and the economies of the developed world would be in deep recession; & 2) Women would still be treated as mere chattel & the Kurds, who still are happy to see an American presence in Iraq, would be victims of gruesome frequent attacks. Oh please, these two claims are ridicoulous: 1) - If the Saudi oil monopoly has ended, then why has two U.S. president gone twice this year to Saudi Arabia and given them billions in weapons just to beg that OPEC increase oil produciton -- something OPEC hasn't done. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia is hardly an oil monopoly when now as before the Iraq war it makes only 11% of the worlds oil. - Iraq now exports 2.11 million barrels of oil, less then 2% of the worlds consumption. Before the war the number was a whoe 100,000 barrels less. - Unemployment in many EU states is in the double digits. In Germany it has hovered aorund 10% for quite some time. Not only that but all the major world economies are in a recession (U.S.) or at risk of a recession (major European economies). 2) - With the Kurd part I can't argue. But if America is so concerned aobut the Kurds shouldn't they have attacked Turkey. Since 1991, the Kurds have lived in the Kurdish Autonomous Region which has been outside of Baghdad's control and whose relative independence has been enforced by a U.S. no-fly zone. Since 1991, the Turks have done far worst to their Kurds then Iraq did. - The claim regarding women is ridiculous. Few women in Iraq wore the jijab, while now in some parts of the country it must be worn under fear of death. Not only that but since Saddam's fall polygamy has been legalized, women are not considered the equal of men and prostitution has thrived. There is no "EU constitution" it was rejected by France and Holland in referendums in 2005 and it was quite different from the U.S. constiution.
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Post by radovic on Jun 4, 2008 12:31:50 GMT -5
Why do people hate America so much? Ok, they pretty much are the new Rome, everyone hates the guys that are so powerful they are ultimately responsible to no one - but as far as superpowers go we are much better off with America behind the wheel than France, Germany, Russia or China. Apart from Kissinger, who wont travel anywhere without consulting a lawyer and has asked for his files to be unsealed only after his death, America has had no war criminals in its recent past. The war in Iraq was necessary and yielded 2 benefits. 1) Had America not gone to Iraq and ended the Saudi monopoly on oil, unemployment in the EU would be on average 20% and the economies of the developed world would be in deep recession; & 2) Women would still be treated as mere chattel & the Kurds, who still are happy to see an American presence in Iraq, would be victims of gruesome frequent attacks. This is a war against Islam, and it is a necessary one. As to the EU being a puppet, it has a similar secular constitution and is founded on similar western ideology as America, so it would be expected that similarities would exist. America being the only world power, naturally has some influence on the actions others take - after all, you would be a fool to alienate yourself unnecessarily from the American economy. Panos 2 reasons why Iraq was invaded. 1. To secure oil resources 2. Just as important and the main reason why they invaded Iraq was because Saddam decided to dump the US dollar in favour of the Euro when trading oil. This has an obvious affect on the US currency. This is why the US now wants to invade Iran because it to, has dropped the US dollar in favour of the Euro, as well as Russia and now China are in the throws of seling off the US dollar, also in favour of the EURO. This is how the sub prime saga in the US came to be. As the US dollar weakened, sub prime loans suddenly became expensive. You will notice that at about the same time, price of oil has gone through the rough. This has been done artificially by the US to ensure that the remaining countries still using the US dollar, will somehow boost the value of its currency. All the US have done is to ensure that the world economy will grind to a halt and any countries not reliant on the US dollar, will be king. ^reason #3. To contian Iran. Iran and Saudi Arabia are the world's biggest supporters of terrorist groups, but the latter ios America's friend while Iran calls America the great satan. Think about Afghanistan borders Iran, Turkey - a U.S. ally - borders Iran, after 9/11 Azerbaijan and Pakistan became U.S. allies and htey border Iran, while Turkmenistan was irrelevant. The Gulf Arab sates see Iran as a threat and would like the U.S. to contain Iran. The only thing that prevented a full containment of Iran was Iraq.
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Post by Panos on Jun 4, 2008 20:44:34 GMT -5
Turkey, for one, is a strategic ally. The US regularly let Turkey partake in questionable actions, simply to prevent yet another failed Islamic state.
As to the Turks doing far worse things to the Kurds, that is nonsense. Saddam was pro-Arab & anti-Kurd, he had used ghastly weapons on the Kurds repeatedly. This is in the last couple of decades to.
Let me clarify, the Iraq war was far from perfect, but getting rid of Saddam was a good thing.
The emancipation of women has actually improved post-invasion. More opportunities have opened up for women and there have been less cases of Islamic persecution of women.
Even if it had gotten worse, that would only prove that the fundamental elements of Iraq were always there & the notion they were made that way by US aggression is not true.
The main reason of the war no doubt was about oil, no one could argue otherwise. The world economy needed it & there was collateral damage (regularly overstated) to obtain.
But what has come of it? Iraq has held its FIRST democratic elections. Has been rid of a totalitarian dictator in a nation with no freedom or democracy, who uses force on people that disagree with him. To be against the war is to be for dictatorship.
As to comparing Bush to a nazi, that is just stupid. Hitler engaged in calculated genocide and used nationalism and the notion of Arian supremacy to perpetuate hate. Bush has neither attempted genocide nor used nationalism or racism. At most, Bush could be called uneducated and perhaps grossly ignorant.
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Post by Panos on Jun 4, 2008 20:58:24 GMT -5
"I am not accusing you (at this stage), but it does appear that you have an anti-American agenda. " (1) Panos, how would it seem to your american eyes, if NATO, bombed the s**t out of our country, justbecause we dont acknowledge ths turkish minority in Xanthi?If suddenly CNN, BBC start intensive media war against greece? How would it seem if NATO signed a peace agreement for UN presence in Xanthi, but within the borders of Greece, and then after 10 years pushed to turks to unilaterally declare independence? Would you be so pro-NATO then? I guess not. P.S. Just to save some ink here, yes albs in Yugoslavia enjoyed one of the most broad autonomies (in the most liberal/modern country of the south and/or east and/or central europe). (2) P.S.2 How do you feel about the criminal, illegal, unacceptable aggression of NATO against the aforementioned country?(1) The US didn't bomb Serbia because it didn't recognise an ethic minority. The Slobodan regime tried to eradicate an ethic minority. (2) Something needed to be done in Serbia. The butchering of Bosnians was unacceptable, calling it revenge for something they did in the past doesn't forgive it either. The heavy handed actions against KLA & Albanian citizens warranted international intervention. Serbian nationalism was out of control at the time as well. Would you expect the world to sit by and watch Serb armies slaughter innocent civilians in the delusion of greater Serbia? NATO may have over did it, but to paint the Serbs as victims of nasty Western imperialism is a laugh. What NATO did to Serbia is nothing compared to what Serbia did to Bosnia & Kosovo Albanians. FYI, before I am called pro-American & anti-Serb. I actually do not support the declaration of independence from Kosovo-Albanians.
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Post by radovic on Jun 4, 2008 23:14:41 GMT -5
Turkey, for one, is a strategic ally. The US regularly let Turkey partake in questionable actions, simply to prevent yet another failed Islamic state. As to the Turks doing far worse things to the Kurds, that is nonsense. Saddam was pro-Arab & anti-Kurd, he had used ghastly weapons on the Kurds repeatedly. This is in the last couple of decades to. There are basically only two cases of Saddam using chemical weapons against the Kurds. In both cases your heroes Dick Cheney and George Bush Sr. supplied Iraq with the weapons.Furthermore, in the 90s Turkey made over 2 million kurds into refugees, while in the 90s the Kurds were protected by the U.S. in Iraq.Was war really an option? Over 300,000 (some say over 1 million) Iraqi deaths and the U.S. wasting close to a trillion. I suggest you read the book Cartas a un joven español by José María Aznar López where he says that a month before the war Saddam offered to leave the country for $1 billion and for his family to be allowed to leave -- an Arab country (likely Libya) was willing to give him asylum. America refused. Bullshit. CNN and BBC, Human Rights Organization and even documents issued by the U.S. say the exact opposite. According to them the most distrubing triend in Iraq are so-called "Contract Marriage". It was. And the entire invasion of Iraq has only increased world production by a mere 100,000 barrels. This at most means that the price of oil is about 12 cents lower.So what if Iraq has held it's first election. The IRAQI people have elected ayatollahs emulating Iran, Kurdish extremists and Sunni extremists in office. They have elected the most incompetent government in the world and the government has been unable to do anything to stop sectarian violence. To be against the war is to be against violence, stupidity, imperlialism. Who here compared Bush to a Nazi. Your making this comments know to try to dicredit the other side. You are wrong. Bush is not engaging in genocide but he has used nationalism and racism, the so-called "christian nationalism" that serves as a central feature of the neo-con ideology. The ideology that says that the Judeo-Christian west has some kind of moral superirority to interfere in the affairs of toher nations, to impose it's will on others and that only it can do this. The neo-cons wish to impose their views on all peoples who do not agree with them and who as a result they consider primitive -- Iraq & most Muslim states fall into this category in their minds.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 5, 2008 2:16:40 GMT -5
"I am not accusing you (at this stage), but it does appear that you have an anti-American agenda. " (1) Panos, how would it seem to your american eyes, if NATO, bombed the s**t out of our country, justbecause we dont acknowledge ths turkish minority in Xanthi?If suddenly CNN, BBC start intensive media war against greece? How would it seem if NATO signed a peace agreement for UN presence in Xanthi, but within the borders of Greece, and then after 10 years pushed to turks to unilaterally declare independence? Would you be so pro-NATO then? I guess not. P.S. Just to save some ink here, yes albs in Yugoslavia enjoyed one of the most broad autonomies (in the most liberal/modern country of the south and/or east and/or central europe). (2) P.S.2 How do you feel about the criminal, illegal, unacceptable aggression of NATO against the aforementioned country?(1) The US didn't bomb Serbia because it didn't recognise an ethic minority. The Slobodan regime tried to eradicate an ethic minority. (2) Something needed to be done in Serbia. The butchering of Bosnians was unacceptable, calling it revenge for something they did in the past doesn't forgive it either. The heavy handed actions against KLA & Albanian citizens warranted international intervention. Serbian nationalism was out of control at the time as well. Would you expect the world to sit by and watch Serb armies slaughter innocent civilians in the delusion of greater Serbia? NATO may have over did it, but to paint the Serbs as victims of nasty Western imperialism is a laugh. What NATO did to Serbia is nothing compared to what Serbia did to Bosnia & Kosovo Albanians. FYI, before I am called pro-American & anti-Serb. I actually do not support the declaration of independence from Kosovo-Albanians. 1) Panos, read the numbers: 2,000 Albs died DUE to NATO aggression (most probably by NATO bombs) Your blow-job king Clinton, was "advertising" 100,000 deads albs in your pathetic TV channels. Eradicate? Have you a problem with english? Albs had a Alb UNIV, alb signs, albs schools, wake up cowboy and get past the made up propaganda. show us you got your own brain. 2) Something to be done in Serbia? Are you insane? Who decides what has to be done you fool? You anti-greek? You idiot... Yugoslavia HAD A CONSTITUTION to protect and enforce. Cant you understand that, you retarded poor creature? What greater Serbia you moron? Half of Bosnia were Serbs, 500,000 Serbs cleansed from Croatia, implemented by your p***y criminal government, you pathetic criminal supporter. Butchering of bosnians?? Go read the numbers by yourself you ignorant peice of s**t. Why didnt UN give approval for action in Kosovo??? CAUSE THERE WAS NO PROOF, just like in Iraq weapons of "mass destructions", they still didnt find them!!! "Serbian nationalism was out of control at the time as well."
HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It was Serbian NON-NATIONALISM, but SOCIALISM that kept the country together YOU KING OF ignorance!! Serbs in Bihac, didnt have an ORTHODOX church!! While ofcourse Croats, Muslims (WHO WERE SO MUCH HELPED BY YOUR GVT!!!) had their catholic churches and mosques!!!! What about all the imported mudjahedeens that killed Orthodox people you anti-muslim fanatic?
How stupid you are brother... Thats how "nationalistic" Serbs were, you pathetic murderer-supporter whinning from the comfort of your house. If they were indeed nationalistic, nothing would have happened in the first place. If russia was together, and had Putin or Medvedev instead of this cyco Yeltsin, nothing would have happened, not even Iraq, maybe. You think, Serbs suddenly said lets annex and make our Serbia? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?? HAVE YOU GONE A DOCTOR lately??? You are ok??? Serbs thought of making Serbia, RS, only after they realized that the western (evil) plans of dismembering their former country were unstoppable. Shame on you, and f**k you idiot
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Post by Panos on Jun 5, 2008 18:50:34 GMT -5
Turkey, for one, is a strategic ally. The US regularly let Turkey partake in questionable actions, simply to prevent yet another failed Islamic state. As to the Turks doing far worse things to the Kurds, that is nonsense. Saddam was pro-Arab & anti-Kurd, he had used ghastly weapons on the Kurds repeatedly. This is in the last couple of decades to. There are basically only two cases of Saddam using chemical weapons against the Kurds. In both cases your heroes d**k Cheney and George Bush Sr. supplied Iraq with the weapons.Furthermore, in the 90s Turkey made over 2 million kurds into refugees, while in the 90s the Kurds were protected by the U.S. in Iraq.Was war really an option? Over 300,000 (some say over 1 million) Iraqi deaths and the U.S. wasting close to a trillion. I suggest you read the book Cartas a un joven español by José María Aznar López where he says that a month before the war Saddam offered to leave the country for $1 billion and for his family to be allowed to leave -- an Arab country (likely Libya) was willing to give him asylum. America refused. Bulls**t. CNN and BBC, Human Rights Organization and even documents issued by the U.S. say the exact opposite. According to them the most distrubing triend in Iraq are so-called "Contract Marriage". It was. And the entire invasion of Iraq has only increased world production by a mere 100,000 barrels. This at most means that the price of oil is about 12 cents lower.So what if Iraq has held it's first election. The IRAQI people have elected ayatollahs emulating Iran, Kurdish extremists and Sunni extremists in office. They have elected the most incompetent government in the world and the government has been unable to do anything to stop sectarian violence. To be against the war is to be against violence, stupidity, imperlialism. Who here compared Bush to a Nazi. Your making this comments know to try to dicredit the other side. You are wrong. Bush is not engaging in genocide but he has used nationalism and racism, the so-called "christian nationalism" that serves as a central feature of the neo-con ideology. The ideology that says that the Judeo-Christian west has some kind of moral superirority to interfere in the affairs of toher nations, to impose it's will on others and that only it can do this. The neo-cons wish to impose their views on all peoples who do not agree with them and who as a result they consider primitive -- Iraq & most Muslim states fall into this category in their minds. "Iraq’s potential oil wealth remains largely unrealized. Substantial proven reserves exist, and there are likely more resources awaiting discovery. But oil production has been slow to fully recover during the post-Saddam period, and many obstacles stand in the way of achieving a stable export flow. Moreover, refineries are in need of rehabilitation, necessitating imports of gasoline and cooking fuel within Iraq." www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rs21626.pdfI too can press the bold button. So as you can see, your argument about oil production is.. well, not an argument. It didn't happen over-night, but it will happen. As to your totally fabricated number of 300,000 people which suits your anti-American agenda, it is simply a number pulled out from the collective asses of those who support dictatorship over democracy and hate Bush, no matter what. The only people fighting America in Iraq are the Muslim extremists who have blown up embassies and civilian structures on purpose, killing many innocent civilians. It is obvious who the enemy in Iraq is. Saddam was a terrorist, he was guilty of genocide, he was guilty of breaching the non-proliferation treaty and the rest of it! Had you been president and you gave him that deal, you would belong in jail for treason, and protecting a known terrorist. The war was necessary as giving that man $1 billion and letting him flee to never face trial for his crimes is THE most unforgivable thing that could happen; & frankly not an option.
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Post by Panos on Jun 5, 2008 19:17:34 GMT -5
(1) The US didn't bomb Serbia because it didn't recognise an ethic minority. The Slobodan regime tried to eradicate an ethic minority. (2) Something needed to be done in Serbia. The butchering of Bosnians was unacceptable, calling it revenge for something they did in the past doesn't forgive it either. The heavy handed actions against KLA & Albanian citizens warranted international intervention. Serbian nationalism was out of control at the time as well. Would you expect the world to sit by and watch Serb armies slaughter innocent civilians in the delusion of greater Serbia? NATO may have over did it, but to paint the Serbs as victims of nasty Western imperialism is a laugh. What NATO did to Serbia is nothing compared to what Serbia did to Bosnia & Kosovo Albanians. FYI, before I am called pro-American & anti-Serb. I actually do not support the declaration of independence from Kosovo-Albanians. 1) Panos, read the numbers: 2,000 Albs died DUE to NATO aggression (most probably by NATO bombs) Your blow-job king Clinton, was "advertising" 100,000 deads albs in your pathetic TV channels. Eradicate? Have you a problem with english? Albs had a Alb UNIV, alb signs, albs schools, wake up cowboy and get past the made up propaganda. show us you got your own brain. 2) Something to be done in Serbia? Are you insane? Who decides what has to be done you fool? You anti-greek? You idiot... Yugoslavia HAD A CONSTITUTION to protect and enforce. Cant you understand that, you retarded poor creature? What greater Serbia you moron? Half of Bosnia were Serbs, 500,000 Serbs cleansed from Croatia, implemented by your p***y criminal government, you pathetic criminal supporter. Butchering of bosnians?? Go read the numbers by yourself you ignorant peice of s**t. Why didnt UN give approval for action in Kosovo??? CAUSE THERE WAS NO PROOF, just like in Iraq weapons of "mass destructions", they still didnt find them!!! "Serbian nationalism was out of control at the time as well."
HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It was Serbian NON-NATIONALISM, but SOCIALISM that kept the country together YOU KING OF ignorance!! Serbs in Bihac, didnt have an ORTHODOX church!! While ofcourse Croats, Muslims (WHO WERE SO MUCH HELPED BY YOUR GVT!!!) had their catholic churches and mosques!!!! What about all the imported mudjahedeens that killed Orthodox people you anti-muslim fanatic?
How stupid you are brother... Thats how "nationalistic" Serbs were, you pathetic murderer-supporter whinning from the comfort of your house. If they were indeed nationalistic, nothing would have happened in the first place. If russia was together, and had Putin or Medvedev instead of this cyco Yeltsin, nothing would have happened, not even Iraq, maybe. You think, Serbs suddenly said lets annex and make our Serbia? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?? HAVE YOU GONE A DOCTOR lately??? You are ok??? Serbs thought of making Serbia, RS, only after they realized that the western (evil) plans of dismembering their former country were unstoppable. Shame on you, and f**k you idiot I have not won the praise of a pan-orthodox nationalist zealot, my loss I guess. This is my last reply to you, because frankly most things are beyond you. You have completely ignored the existence of a Serbian conscience, it does not matter that Yugoslavia was one. There were clearly groups that identified first and foremost with themselves. Serbian paedophiles priests, sorry - easy to get those two confused, blessed the sick killers who went & slaughtered defenceless Bosnians. Greater Serbia clearly existed because; 1) There WERE expansive policies; 2) They WERE based on the delusion that it was rightfully Serbian; & 3) They slaughtered all who stood in the way of this sick nationalist dream. Now, I am going to break the rule of the century; and call you a moron. For you to tell me & LIE to others that I support Croatian crimes, is a flat out lie and you know it to. I know about Jaksenovak, and in that case the shameless butchers were the Croats. But you, on the basis of some pan-orthodox pipe-dream condone shameful actions. Let me also say, every time I see a Serb & a Greek molest each other and refer to each other as "orthodox brother" I want to vomit. Serbia was ripe with religious based nationalism, the role the church played in the collective baseless slaughters and attacks against Bosnians and civilian Albanians (I do not care what was done to the KLA, they got what they deserved) was to reaffirm; 1) god willed the violence; 2) in god they would be victorious. Nationalism was clearly present to anyone who cared to open their eyes. Let me close by saying, the half destroyed ruins of Serbian churches is WHAT YOU GET for religious nationalism. Although generally I think it is a shame nice art, architecture and so forth is destroyed by war; when you're blessing your criminals, there is a little bit of karma in what happened with Serbian churches. (p.s.) My Government? I'm sorry Australia didn't get involved, maybe next time? and FYI, your inference that one should always support the popular views of their nation does nothing but prove why you do not know what you're talking about.
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Post by radovic on Jun 5, 2008 19:45:50 GMT -5
All the planned Russian, Americans, German & French plans for Iraq oil at most would increase Iraq's production to 4.5 million barrels. That would not drastically change the price of oil, at most the price would go down by $3 in the current setting at the most extreme level.
It won't happen unless the U.S. leaves Iraq. Every attempt at increasing oul production has failed. If the U.S. really wants Iraq to produce oil it will leave in Iraq. 90% of all attacks on oil infrastrucutre have been towards U.S. projects.
Lol. The U.S.'s estimate itself has put the number at 100,000. The Iraqi government has said that in the 2,000 or so days since the U.S. invasion at least 100 iraqi's civilians have died -- indicating 200,000 deaths.
Furthermore these figures are the most conservative. 300,000 is actually conservative given that figures of 1.2 million+ have been flouted around (http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html).
Absurd. Until recently the U.S. has said the biggest source of U.S. casualties has been non-Al Qaeda connected Sunni paramilitaries. This has only changed recently because these groups desire to have the U.S. get rid of these groups.
What is your criteria for genocide? Using the criteria that the U.S. has used to accuse others of genocide then both Bushes, Clinton, Raegan, Nixon, LBJ and Kennedy and possibly the previous presidents are all guilty of genocide.
Using that logic then Bush is a terrorist. I doubt you have heard of or know of Orland Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles.
The two are part of a CIA backed group that the FBI classifies as a terroist organization. The group helped state terrorism known as Operation Condor in South America, the group engaged in a large number of terrorist attacks against Cuba including blowing up Flight 455 Cuban Airlines flight in which 73 people died.
George W. Bush, his father and brother Jeb Buch have claimed them to be American heroes, despite the fact that they are terrorists. By the logic you use all three should be in prison for treason.
George Bush & your heroes haven't put him on trial. You are a hypocrite.
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Post by radovic on Jun 5, 2008 20:16:30 GMT -5
More proof that Panos claims are idiotic and not based on the fact. This is an example, his claim of the "Saudi oil monopoly":
World oil production is at 83 million. The biggest oil producers are the following: 1. Saudi Arabia- 10.9 millioin (13.13%) 2. Russia- 9.7 million (11.69%) 3. USA- 8.32 million (10.02%) 4. Iran- 4.26 million (5.13%) 5. China- 3.8 million (4.58%) 6. Mexico- 3.79 million (4.57%) 7. Canada- 3.3 million (3.98%) 8. Norway- 3.1 million (3.73%) 9 UK- 2.9 million (3.49%) 10. Venezuela- 2.86 million (3.45%) 11. UAE- 2.8 million (3.37%) 12. Nigeria- 2.45 million (2.95%) 13. Algeria- 2.13 million (2.57%) 14. Iraq- 2.04 million (2.46%) 15. Libya- 1.7 million (2.05%) 16. Angola- 1.2 million (1.45%) 17. Indonesia- 1.1 million (1.33%)
Total- 66.35 million barrels/day (79.94%)
Not only that but of the 8.32 million barrels the U.S. produces it exports 1.05 million barrels -- giving 7.27 million for doemstic consumption. That means with U.S. consumption at 20.8 million it imports 13.53 million barrels.
The top three suppliers to the U.S. are Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. Of the 2.3 million+ barrels that Canada exports almost all goes to America, and this amount is set to increase to 4.3 million with investmenrs being made in Canadian oil sands projects.
If the U.S. wanted to be independent of foreign oil wouldn't it encourage investments in non-hostile states like Canada or Mexico, or cancel all U.S. oil exports.
Or encouraged LNG Cars like Iran has to increase oil profits.
Or instead of encouraging oil ethanol (which requires 1.3L to make 1L of fuel), encouraged sugar ethanol (.125L for 1L of fuel), or cellulose ethanol which uses food waste.
Or how about even smarter, once the barrel of oil became $45+ for an extended period of time it should have authorized "coal to oil" investmenrs, especially since the state of Montana has more unused coal reserves to be turned to oil, then Saudi Arabia has oil.
Coal to Oil is something that all of Serbia's parties claim to plan to put in effect. It is also something Germany & Poland are planning. Coal to Oil is also how Germany during the Third Reich and South Africa during Apartheid produced oil.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 5, 2008 23:37:59 GMT -5
Panos dude, or should i say mate, some simple questions, i promise i try hard not to curse on you this time (it aint easy):
1) How many times have you been in ex-Yugoslavia? 2) Do you always believe what you see on TV, or read in your papers?
P.S. Sorry to mistake you for American, but you almost, created this conception by your unique anti-Slav, anti-East, anti-Orthodox, anti-Arab ideas, as a matter of fact, you qualify for the most perfect AMERICAN ever.
P.S.2 I dont feel Greeks and Serbs are brothers. We are different nations. I think we are rather not harsh enemies. However i feel every Serb as brother, because i personally know this nation, and have admired their qualities. (Smth you are unable to do, cause you will never go there, and rely only on random propaganda to educate you).
PS3 Also i feel a criterion for being a Greek is to know what you are talking about, and to try to reach the truth, while at the same time, not speaking with your ass. You dont qualify as a Greek.
PS4, it strikes when i hear comments by complete irrelevant outsiders of the type: Saddam was criminal, or Serbs were butchers!
I mean, when in the most cases numbers are inflated by 10,000%, when UN an RedCross numbers are much different than the ones published in Times, CNN, BBC, etc.. how can anyone be so sure? I mean do these media they target 2-year olds as their public?
PSN Jaksenovak,?? Maybe you mean Jasenovac? I mean this guy is a true insider of Balkans! LMAO!!!
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 6, 2008 3:42:19 GMT -5
Greek Interview With Bosnian War Veteran.Serbian paedophiles priests, sorry - easy to get those two confused, blessed the sick killers who went & slaughtered defenceless Bosnians. I am going to start deleting your posts if you are going to be a d**khead. In regards to your provocative statement, Serbian priests blessed no one during the Bosnian war. Bosnian priests blessed Bosnian soldiers as they were on their way to fight Muslim and Croat forces. Greater Serbia clearly existed because; 1) There WERE expansive policies; 2) They WERE based on the delusion that it was rightfully Serbian; & 3) They slaughtered all who stood in the way of this sick nationalist dream. So... Serbs destroy Yugoslavia to create Greater Serbia? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? How exactly were Krajina Serbs and Bosanci aggressors when they were defending their homes? How are they aggressors when Albanians/Slovenes/Croats/Muslims declared independence/war first? Let me also say, every time I see a Serb & a Greek molest each other and refer to each other as "orthodox brother" I want to vomit. I am sure you will find a kindred spirit in TerroReign. Serbia was ripe with religious based nationalism, the role the church played in the collective baseless slaughters and attacks against Bosnians and civilian Albanians (I do not care what was done to the KLA, they got what they deserved) was to reaffirm; 1) god willed the violence; 2) in god they would be victorious. Church supported reconciliation in both Bosnia and Kosovo... unfortunately, that is next to impossible since Muslims and Albanians think they are outright victims thanks to people like you. Let me close by saying, the half destroyed ruins of Serbian churches is WHAT YOU GET for religious nationalism. The f**k? I guess as a "religious nationalist" I don't believe in collective punishment or collective guilt but you obviously seem to as a secular internationalist. Although generally I think it is a shame nice art, architecture and so forth is destroyed by war; when you're blessing your criminals, there is a little bit of karma in what happened with Serbian churches. What criminals? They were soldiers defending their villages/farms/towns against foreign funded armies.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 6, 2008 4:07:54 GMT -5
Deucaon, leave the poor bastard alone, he cant tell the difference between Vladivostok, and Banja Luka, he calls Jasenovac: Jaksenovak, and does not seem to have a touch with the balkans, except of course some newspapers with nude women in the front page.
Lets ban him from this forum, and i would suggest from the whole illyria as well.
P.S. That guy Katharios, speaks so accurately, with so sharp heart and mind. He made me proud. If only we could have 9 Millions Katharious in our country! (while getting rid of "Panos" and other funny creatures which have converted my country into a freak parade).
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 6, 2008 4:26:14 GMT -5
Deucaon, leave the poor bastard alone, he cant tell the difference between Vladivostok, and Banja Luka, he calls Jasenovac: Jaksenovak, and does not seem to have a touch with the balkans, except of course some newspapers with nude women in the front page. Lets ban him from this forum, and i would suggest from the whole illyria as well. P.S. That guy Katharios, speaks so accurately, with so sharp heart and mind. He made me proud. If only we could have 9 Millions Katharious in our country! (while getting rid of "Panos" and other funny creatures which have converted my country into a freak parade). Panos is very much in the minority. A people show their true colours during war and when NATO was bombing Yugoslavia, Greeks showed expressed to us friendship and brotherhood regardless of what their political leaders said or did.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 6, 2008 4:32:00 GMT -5
Thanx, for the hint about this book. i;ll try to find it and buy it.
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