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Post by bb681 on Apr 24, 2008 12:19:42 GMT -5
Not that I wanna have a say on the Kosovo issue but this video once again confirms the vast mix of clowns that end up in the parliament.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 24, 2008 12:19:48 GMT -5
The US would still bomb the living sh!t of Serbia, they made a HUGE misstake back in 1995, they werent going to do again. Serbia wasn't bombed in 1995. Srpska Krajina and Republika Srpska were. The war between Yugoslavia and the KLA was on since 1998 and the Natocrats didn't lift a finger until Milosevic refused to allow NATO soldiers unlimited access throughout Yugoslavia.
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Post by radovic on Apr 24, 2008 13:52:33 GMT -5
He could deal with this problem in much more successful manner. Do you consider him as some sort of*great guy?! No. But his policy with Kosovo is what any other state in NATO would do. What do you propose he did? Negotiate with terrorists.
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Post by Pejoni on Apr 24, 2008 13:58:26 GMT -5
The US would still bomb the living sh!t of Serbia, they made a HUGE misstake back in 1995, they werent going to do again. Serbia wasn't bombed in 1995. Srpska Krajina and Republika Srpska were. The war between Yugoslavia and the KLA was on since 1998 and the Natocrats didn't lift a finger until Milosevic refused to allow NATO soldiers unlimited access throughout Yugoslavia. I was referring to Srebrenica massacre. Of course NATO knew Slobodan wouldnt go with that request. Slobodan had already crossed the redline and had to be punished. UK was prepared to deploy troops instead of bombarding, but the U.S. decided instead using only the airforce for less casualties. WW3 was about to take shape in Prishtina Airport when Russian troops occupied that area and where given 24h to leave by NATO befor British and French paratroopers took it on their own hands, Russia retreated in less then 8 hours. Even if Kosova doesnt mean anything for U.S. it has a image to show the rest, they are the ONLY worldpolice. Krajina? I dont think Croats needed any help from U.S. planes to take it over.
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Post by Pejoni on Apr 24, 2008 14:00:49 GMT -5
He could deal with this problem in much more successful manner. Do you consider him as some sort of*great guy?! No. But his policy with Kosovo is what any other state in NATO would do. What do you propose he did? Negotiate with terrorists. God how ignorant comparing NATO states with Serbia.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 24, 2008 14:16:17 GMT -5
^ Really? What has Turkey (a NATO state) been doing to the Kurds for decades. It is not much different.
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Post by Pejoni on Apr 24, 2008 14:31:17 GMT -5
^ Really? What has Turkey (a NATO state) been doing to the Kurds for decades. It is not much different. They are NOT trying to ethnic cleanse them or treating them as second-class citizen wich we Albanians went thru.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 24, 2008 16:16:01 GMT -5
The majority of the Bulgarians are against the Kosovo independence, I think there were polls. The most important Bulgarian politicians are not ethnic Bulgarians, and the few ethnic Bulgarians on important positions are puppets.
From the both sides I see the same thing - Bulgarian government does something, and then many Serbs say "Bulgarians are w**res" - they don't see a difference between the Bulgarian government and all other Bulgarians. I know many Bulgarians, who think the same way. They say "Serbs are w**res, they stole lots of land from Bulgaria, they created the Macedonian nation, they deserve to lose Kosovo". There are even some, who think that it's better if Kosovo doesn't become independent, so that after some years Serbia loses even more land etc. The Bulgarians with such opinions also don't make a difference between the Serbian governments from the past and the other Serbs.
The major difference is probably, that in the Bulgarian mainstream media there is very little anti-Serbian propaganda. The number of anti-Serbian articles is probably equal to the number of pro-Serbian. On the other hand I suppose that the anti-Bulgarian propaganda in Serbian medias is much more.
Another thing - Pavel Chernev is a low-level criminal, from the Bulgarian type of gangsters that we call "mutri". He has a law degree, but has never been a lawyer, because he is too stupid. He entered the parliament because he joined Volen Siderov and his "Ataka", but then Volen used him and kicked him out of the party. Now Chernev is trying to make some party of his own, but it's obvious that he will fail. So with this act he tries to get some attention and win some political credit.
I don't know if some of you noticed, that he calls the piece of paper in his hands "karta", which means "map", while it's obviously not a map. It's a flag. So, the poor guy doesn't even know what he is tearing.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 24, 2008 16:25:01 GMT -5
More on Bulgarian politics. Volen Siderov, the leader of the Bulgarian "nationalistic" party Ataka (he actually used the nationalistic ideology for his personal prosperity and now doesn't have much support) was a journalist before becoming politician. During the NATO bombings of 1999 he was strongly against them and against the KLA. Now he repeats the same things - that Kosovo is illegal, that it's leaders are terrorists, drug dealers etc.
On the other hand, our current president Georgi Pyrvanov was leader of BSP (the socialists) in 1999, and our current prime minister Sergej Stanishev was the head of the department for foreign relations of BSP. Back then BSP was opposition and was making demonstrations, in which many people were protesting and shouting "NATO vyn" (Nato out). Georgi Pyrvanov was the leader of these demonstrations. He was also a friend of Milosevic and was sending him letters of support. After he became a president in 2001, Bulgaria joined NATO and EU and he and Stanishev became the biggest supporters of NATO, EU, independent Kosovo etc.
Those guys are all scum, so it's not correct to equate them to all Bulgarians, just like it's not correct to equate all Americans to Bush, all Serbs to Milosevic and so on.
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Post by radovic on Apr 24, 2008 17:30:08 GMT -5
The major difference is probably, that in the Bulgarian mainstream media there is very little anti-Serbian propaganda. The number of anti-Serbian articles is probably equal to the number of pro-Serbian. On the other hand I suppose that the anti-Bulgarian propaganda in Serbian medias is much more. Wrong. Almost non-existant. It is hard to come by a piece of media in Serbia bout Bulgaria that isn't taken off from a wire service. Majority of things Bulgaria tend to be travel articles. The only negative thing I've seen about Bulgaria this year, aside form commentaries by the radicals criticizing the government -- who the radicals call Turkish whore (not Bulgarians), was a report on RTS about how the EU does not equal immediate wealth and citing Bulgaria as an example.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 24, 2008 18:04:34 GMT -5
The major difference is probably, that in the Bulgarian mainstream media there is very little anti-Serbian propaganda. The number of anti-Serbian articles is probably equal to the number of pro-Serbian. On the other hand I suppose that the anti-Bulgarian propaganda in Serbian medias is much more. Wrong. Almost non-existant. It is hard to come by a piece of media in Serbia bout Bulgaria that isn't taken off from a wire service. Majority of things Bulgaria tend to be travel articles. The only negative thing I've seen about Bulgaria this year, aside form commentaries by the radicals criticizing the government -- who the radicals call Turkish w**re (not Bulgarians), was a report on RTS about how the EU does not equal immediate wealth and citing Bulgaria as an example. Well, this is bad news. It's easier to explain someone's stupidity by blaming the media. This is how I and many other Bulgarians explain the fyromian stupidity. I don't believe that such kind of idiotism like the one of Marko and Novi is innate, so I search for an explanation. I see that Marko is from Canada, and knowing that Novi is from Australia, this might be a cue. The fyromians who hate Bulgarians the most are also from Australia, Canada and other remote places.
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Post by radovic on Apr 24, 2008 18:11:52 GMT -5
^ I don't think either one knows much about Bulgaria and the politicians there (or that the Turkish party was the only one advocating recognition, while the rest in government just didn't want a government collapse -- they need Turk support).
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Post by Edlund on Apr 24, 2008 18:23:28 GMT -5
^ I don't think either one knows much about Bulgaria and the politicians there (or that the Turkish party was the only one advocating recognition, while the rest in government just didn't want a government collapse -- they need Turk support). The Turkish party on the other hand is dependant by their masters from Turkey and the "international community", and the other 2 parties in the ruling coalition are ruled by non-Bulgarians. Stanishev, whose mother is Ukrainian Jew, was born a Soviet citizen, later he was Russian citizen and only in 1996 became a Bulgarian citizen, his primary language is Russian. He is a homosexual. Simeon Saxkoburggotski is a mixture of many ethnicities, but doesn't have a 0,01% of Bulgarian blood and is also a slave to the "international community". His primary language is Spanish, non of his children speaks Bulgarian. So to call these guys "Bulgarians" is not correct to say the least.
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Post by radovic on Apr 24, 2008 18:41:41 GMT -5
^ I don't think either one knows much about Bulgaria and the politicians there (or that the Turkish party was the only one advocating recognition, while the rest in government just didn't want a government collapse -- they need Turk support). The Turkish party on the other hand is dependant by their masters from Turkey and the "international community", and the other 2 parties in the ruling coalition are ruled by non-Bulgarians. Stanishev, whose mother is Ukrainian Jew, was born a Soviet citizen, later he was Russian citizen and only in 1996 became a Bulgarian citizen, his primary language is Russian. He is a homosexual. Simeon Saxkoburggotski is a mixture of many ethnicities, but doesn't have a 0,01% of Bulgarian blood and is also a slave to the "international community". His primary language is Spanish, non of his children speaks Bulgarian. So to call these guys "Bulgarians" is not correct to say the least. Saxkoburggotski isn't a mixture of ethniticity. All his ancestors were German, there is little non-German blood. He is a shame to Bulgaria, he is nothing more then a pathetic German princeling who wants to rule people who ar enot his. If I'm not mistaken he came back to Bulgaria only when it was assured that he would be restituted property belonging to the non-Bulgarian royal fmaily and the first thing he did was sell it.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 25, 2008 1:33:46 GMT -5
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Post by zgembo on Apr 25, 2008 2:05:03 GMT -5
Wrong. Almost non-existant. It is hard to come by a piece of media in Serbia bout Bulgaria that isn't taken off from a wire service. Majority of things Bulgaria tend to be travel articles. The only negative thing I've seen about Bulgaria this year, aside form commentaries by the radicals criticizing the government -- who the radicals call Turkish w**re (not Bulgarians), was a report on RTS about how the EU does not equal immediate wealth and citing Bulgaria as an example. Well, this is bad news. It's easier to explain someone's stupidity by blaming the media. This is how I and many other Bulgarians explain the fyromian stupidity. I don't believe that such kind of idiotism like the one of Marko and Novi is innate, so I search for an explanation. I see that Marko is from Canada, and knowing that Novi is from Australia, this might be a cue. The fyromians who hate Bulgarians the most are also from Australia, Canada and other remote places. I don't have any hate for Bulgarians. A Bulgarian family Christened my sister (meaning she is Bulgarian Orthodox) and my ex-girlfriend was Bulgarian. If anything, I look more favourably towards Bulgarians than I do towards Croats with whom we share more linguistically and culturally. Nevertheless, I think Bulgarians showed themselves to be cheap whores when it comes to Kosovo and respect for Serbia, and for that I think they should remain an eternal enemy (should that scum so much as suggest inclinations towards FYROM we should bomb Sofia).
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Post by zgembo on Apr 25, 2008 2:08:22 GMT -5
^ Really? What has Turkey (a NATO state) been doing to the Kurds for decades. It is not much different. They are NOT trying to ethnic cleanse them or treating them as second-class citizen wich we Albanians went thru. Was there any ethnic cleansing before NATO bombs or before KLA attacks? The Kurdish language and identity are forbidden in Turkey. What happened to you that was so bad? You boycotted every institution in Serbia. If Kurds did that in Turkey they would be killed or chased into Iraq.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 25, 2008 2:11:32 GMT -5
What is Kosovo?
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Post by fenian on Apr 25, 2008 2:30:18 GMT -5
They are NOT trying to ethnic cleanse them or treating them as second-class citizen wich we Albanians went thru. Was there any ethnic cleansing before NATO bombs or before KLA attacks? The Kurdish language and identity are forbidden in Turkey. What happened to you that was so bad? You boycotted every institution in Serbia. If Kurds did that in Turkey they would be killed or chased into Iraq. Kosovo and Serbian internal issues are not in my field, but I've needed to leave a couple of sentences after seeing this untrue post regarding Kurds in Turkey. Turkish Kurds have never been put in a position to be chased into Iraq, but Iraqi Kurds had been chased by Sadam off to Turkey for many times in the past. And there's nothing such as forbidding Kurdish culture and language in Turkey, it's only forbidden to follow separatist policies for Kurds as well as the other more than 30 ethnic groups in Turkey. As I said, Serbian internal politics and Kosovo issues are not my fields but, I personally think that a multicultural Kosovo should be kept alive with all ethnic and religious groups rather than it's current pure Albanianized form.
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Post by pagane on Apr 25, 2008 3:05:11 GMT -5
As for the eternal enemy, you have this crap in your early grade history textbooks. Looks like you haven't passed this period yet. Btw, how do you think you could bomb Sofia? Don't post when you are under some influence.
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