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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 10:18:06 GMT -5
Its common knowledge that the majority of Azeris are not geneticaly Turkic, show some evidence otherwise Still doesn't make my point less valid; even if the Azeris aren't "genetically Turkic", whatever that means, they are still ethnically and linguistically so. The 'ay' ending is also present the Turks of Turkey, further strengthening my argument.
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 10:23:49 GMT -5
No evidence? ok
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 11:38:34 GMT -5
Evidence of what? The genetic makeup of the Azeris holds no relevance to what we're speaking of.
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 13:28:10 GMT -5
Exactly. That the 'ay' suffix is chechen rather than Turkic is supported by the hundreds of identical toponyms, cognates, scriptual similarities, medieval documentation & the merrits given to it by 2 top albanophile albanologists, so there is no practical reason or benefit in terms of refutability to dispute the validity of the surnames, because their validity depends on factors that make coincidence unlikely, aside from the fact that non-turk peoples havent ever taken turk surnames voluntarily
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 13:54:40 GMT -5
The toponyms have been dissected as false, most of them not even resembling each other, and the same goes for your banal "glossary" of "cognates". The scriptual is a mockery to science and holds no ground.
As for the ending of 'ay' among Chechens; either it too is a russification (I cannot tell since I haven't been able to find anything on traditional Chechen surname endings) or it derives from the Turks; this sounds more plausible since Turkish language, culture and anthroponymy probably has had more impact on the Chechens than vice-versa, how else would we describe the presence of the suffix 'ay' among Turks of Turkey?
This cannot be used as an argument until you have presented these documents and proved that the Albanophile Albanologists with merits approve your "study". Until then, this argument is as valid as my farts.
PS Still haven't explained the difference between the Arbëresh and Albanians, nor responded to my dissection of your analysis on the name Dedvukaj. Just reminding you so you do not appear as the pvssy you are.
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 14:07:35 GMT -5
There are too many toponyms for them to be coincidentally similar, 'ay' is not russification, you just dont underrtand Russian grammar, as I pointed out in Reply #32 & as for the documentation, wait & see, dont be neurotic, I know its hard
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 14:15:46 GMT -5
The toponyms have been delt with, or should I say dissected. And the whole 'ayev' suffix/russification is present also among Azeris. If you claim the 'ay' suffix of the Azeris is Chechen, explain its presence among Turkey's Turks. Stop avoiding this question.
And having seen your work so far, I am not being neurotic about your "documentation", trust me, just pointing out the fact that "documentation" which have not been presented cannot be used as an argument, obviously.
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 14:21:38 GMT -5
ok
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 14:25:33 GMT -5
LOL, no answer of course.
"The Great Chechens, although only capable of tribal feuding, somehow managed to export their suffix 'ay' so as to include the whole of Anatolia, where no historical Chechen presence let alone political dominance, has been recorded."
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 14:29:20 GMT -5
'ay' isn't exclusively turkic
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2009 14:43:39 GMT -5
LOL, slowly retreating I see.
OK, "not exclusively Turkic -- what then? You're suggesting the alleged Chechen 'ay' and Turkic 'ay' are of separate origins resemble each other by coincidence?
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Post by highduke on Feb 4, 2009 14:51:22 GMT -5
Yeah non-turk peoples dont accept turk surnames voluntarily without being linguisticaly & culturally turkified first
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 8:05:17 GMT -5
Yeah non-turk peoples dont accept turk surnames voluntarily without being linguisticaly & culturally turkified first Case closed. Thanks for proving my point. Yet again you have been dissected. Yes, indeed the Chechens probably adopted the 'ay' ending from the Turks -- whether this was forceful or peaceful can be debated and is ultimately irrelevant to our case. And yes indeed this development runs paralell with and has not the same origins as the Albanian suffix of 'anj' which in past times signified brotherhoods that operated as small military and economical units.
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 8:08:02 GMT -5
Lol your non-turks with turkic last names belong with Sciponius & his auxiliaries
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 8:12:52 GMT -5
And the wild silver monkies known as Serbs, as well as a unit of 5,000 space aliens aided us in our departure for the Balkans. Did you know Sciponius had a friend called Frodo too? Yep, and they were both acquainted with Chewbacca on their way to Albania. Funny story, you should tell it someday to all the forumers.
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 8:19:40 GMT -5
Sure sure both albs & chechens are the only 2 non-turk people with 'turkic' surnames, add one more of hundreds of other chech-alb linguistic, toponimic & scriptural 'coincidences' lol
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 8:19:46 GMT -5
You're a joke, ymeri, a f.ucking pathetic joke of a loser & a failure, a clown of TLR-ish proportions
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 9:13:00 GMT -5
LOL, nice "comeback" HighDyke, aka Ratface
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 9:15:54 GMT -5
Lol REPLY #55 was the comeback, 56 was the b.itch-slap, so no need to continue onto pg3 with your discreditted , rhetoric-spewing chechen a.ss
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2009 9:18:07 GMT -5
You're not a man of b*tchslaps, only the one receiving them, lol. And your "comeback" has been delt with ... RATFACE!
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