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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 1:20:39 GMT -5
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 1:22:33 GMT -5
Not suprised with the result in RS - but 33% overall???
Isn't the population of Bosnijaks 50%+? (according to all the drka-drka-drka stats) - or maybe there is an increase in Turkijaks?
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 1:26:50 GMT -5
My position on the issue should be well known by now - on the basis that my map of Serbia differs from the official version as it is has an extra 80% of the territory of the so-called BiH - as God himself would have wanted.
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Post by whateva on Feb 26, 2009 1:42:37 GMT -5
Why is Turkey part of this poll and the whole thing is misleading. Notice that even Croatia doesn't have extremely high numbers. Does it mean if 35% of people who said that they don't strongly identify with Croatia hate Croatia? Now take in account that gallop polls are done on certain number of citizens in certain regions (for Bosnia I would assume 1/3 with area with high Bosniak population, 1/3 with high Croat and 1/3 with high Serb population) the numbers are not surprising. If they had asked 1000 citizens from Sarajevo, Bihac, Zenica and Tuzla I'm sure the number would be way over 65% but they probably asked 100-1000 people in BL, SA, and west side of Mostar so 1/3 is not surprising at all.
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 1:58:16 GMT -5
Turkey - for the Bosnijaks who are not loyal to BiH. What could have been the other viable option - Serbia  ? Insanity! |
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Post by Trazi Vise on Feb 26, 2009 2:06:14 GMT -5
Not suprising, any country in the world would have simliar figures!
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 2:11:52 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Feb 26, 2009 2:48:59 GMT -5
every bosniak and alot of other bosnians love bih and are proud of who they are. this article headline is misleading and stupid as hell.
what people DONT love is bih as it is politicly and econmicly..they dont like the bullshit they put up with and etc...
of course kosovos is highest cuz they just had a giant boost with the independance and that good old feeling of sticking it to the serbs
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 3:56:40 GMT -5
I believe this forum is a misrepresentation of Bosnijaks because most of the members here live in the diaspora.
It is easy to chestbeat about 'Bosna pride' in the comfort of your home in Boston, Sweden, Canada, Italy and where ever else. But 'Bosna pride' doesn't provide food for the family or any real economic stability.
Fact of the matter is, life is tough in BiH. The economy is down and half the country is literally starving. It is no wonder that they have lost faith in BiH - whilst Bosnijaks in the diaspora enjoy a considerably higher standard of living, higher salaries and can generally afford to spew crap on the internets and jerk off to a "decline of Serbs in BiH" etc.
Some of ya'll bumpkins need a serious reality check.
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Post by whateva on Feb 26, 2009 4:11:48 GMT -5
I believe this forum is a misrepresentation of Bosnijaks because most of the members here live in the diaspora. It is easy to chestbeat about 'Bosna pride' in the comfort of your home in Boston, Sweden, Canada, Italy and where ever else. But 'Bosna pride' doesn't provide food for the family or any real economic stability. Fact of the matter is, life is tough in BiH. The economy is down and half the country is literally starving. It is no wonder that they have lost faith in BiH - whilst Bosnijaks in the diaspora enjoy a considerably higher standard of living, higher salaries and can generally afford to spew crap on the internets and jerk off to a "decline of Serbs in BiH" etc. Some of ya'll bumpkins need a serious reality check. Actually Bosnian diaspora and our "Bosna Pride" does provide food for families and is big part of the economy. Just this past summer my father and mother spent over 27 thousand dollars in 10 weeks that they spent in Bosnia not including the land that they bought. We also send money regularly to our family in Bosnia. If we didn't care and if we didn't have the pride lot more people would be starving right now. So having said that we have just as much right to "feel the pride" and represent the views on Bosnia just as any other Bosniak no matter where he lives. If anything it would be easier for us in diaspora not to feel any attachment to Bosnia and I think it hurts you that we feel strong connection with Bosnia no matter where we live. |
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Post by bosanskinovi on Feb 26, 2009 4:14:50 GMT -5
1389; how many Serbs on this forum live in RS? You all go on about RS pride, even calling it the "better, most prosperous part of BiH" while your people living there put up signs asking why God has abandoned them...think a little.
Older article
More than a Half of B&H Citizens Wishes to Leave the CountrySladjana Kovacevic
28 June 2005
Over one half of the citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina would leave the country for good and move to another country, should they get an opportunity, shows the poll conducted by UNDP B&H, prepared under the Quarterly Early Warning System.
The most inclined towards leaving (70.2 %) were the citizens between ages of 18 and 35. However, one quarter (25.3%) of persons older than 50 would also move someplace else.
In terms of ethnic background, the Serbs demonstrate the greatest ambition to leave B&H (60.5 percent), followed by Bosniaks (48.7 percent), while with Croatians, the same wish is held by 40.8 percent of the polled.
The reasons are easily discernible from the answers the citizens provided to the question, which category would they rank their household in, regarding total income and owned property? “On the edge of physical existence” was the answer provided by 22.9% of the Serbs, 21.8 Bosniaks and 12.4 percent of the Croatians. "Well below the average" are the living conditions for 17 percent of Serb households, 17.3 percent of Bosniak households and 24.4 percent of Croatian households.
More than a half of the polled (58.5 percent) believes that the economic situation of their household remained the same over the past year, while 21.6 percent say that the situation has moved for the worse. For 5.6 percent, the economic situation has significantly worsened, 11.4 percent said that it improved in general, while only 2.2 percent believe that the situation is significantly better.
B&H citizens are not optimistic regarding their economic situation (55.3 percent don’t think it will change in the next year). One in five (21.4 percent) believes that it will improve, while 14.6 percent of the polled says it will go for the worse.
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Post by karabin on Feb 26, 2009 5:55:47 GMT -5
It is easy to chestbeat about 'Bosna pride' in the comfort of your home in Boston, Sweden, Canada, Italy and where ever else. But 'Bosna pride' doesn't provide food for the family or any real economic stability. Kapetan, "tito", n**g**rswans...etc come to mind here. LOL I it was Kapetan who said " I would like to go to BiH and made a difference but I can't" Yeah I understand, of course he can't because he enjoys his western way of life too much. He also makes a great deed for the Boslims by fighting for their rights on a no name internet forum whilst he waits to receive his fortnightly welfare check in Canada. This is classic at its best. |
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 6:21:07 GMT -5
Poll Question: Does your loyalty belong to BiH?
Yes, BiH only (2 votes, 33.3%)
The forum confirms the study.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2009 6:25:13 GMT -5
Poll Question: Does your loyalty belong to BiH?
Yes, BiH only (2 votes, 33.3%)The forum confirms the study. LOL |
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Post by manijak on Feb 26, 2009 7:33:17 GMT -5
I've always said that people in diaspora tend to act more extreme because of the reasons bob mentioned.
It doesn't change the logical facts that Serbs from BIH are moving out in greater numbers because they have a choice. (Serbia) And the political situation creating by people like Dodik is basically saying "BIH is not an option for your future."
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 7:44:31 GMT -5
I think your misinterpreting Dodik, 'BIH is not an option for your future, but RS is' Also, unless there are actual figures I doubt the movement of Serbs is towards Serbia - where it isnt any better - but moreso to Central Europe. Which is more of a transitional move, far enough to enjoy higher salaries but close enough to eventually move back, invest in property etc. Clutching at straws and counting down to 2050 'when there will be no Serbs' is rather naive. It's an expectatoin that the current factors remain constant - good luck  |
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Post by manijak on Feb 26, 2009 7:49:19 GMT -5
I think your misinterpreting Dodik, 'BIH is not an option for your future, but RS is' Also, unless there are actual figures I doubt the movement of Serbs is towards Serbia - where it isnt any better - but moreso to Central Europe. Which is more of a transitional move, far enough to enjoy higher salaries but close enough to eventually move back, invest in property etc. Clutching at straws and counting down to 2050 'when there will be no Serbs' is rather naive. It's an expectatoin that the current factors remain constant - good luck Did you read that article by Bojan Bajic? The situation is the SAME for everyone. The economy will not work ANYWHERE, Federation or RS, a) until we get into EU or b) we pass a lot of amandments to make things work better. So I'm not saying its greener on the other side. But Bosniaks don't have any other choice. Serbs and Croats do. And when it seems things won't improve it becomes an easier choice if you are struggling to move. And you can't tell me things are a lot worse in Serbia..do they have 40% unemployment? If they do..then maybe its not better, but Serbia seems a lot more stable. |
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Post by bosanskinovi on Feb 26, 2009 7:54:59 GMT -5
I dont think anyone thinks Serbs wont exist in BiH in 50 years, but the undeniable trend is that their numbers constantly drop while ours rise...and that trend wont change
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2009 7:55:20 GMT -5
But Bosniaks don't have any other choice. Serbs and Croats do. And when it seems things won't improve it becomes an easier choice if you are struggling to move. Firstly, where are you writing this from? and secondly, news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=118501There's always choices in life, don't let anyone tell you there isnt. |
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Post by manijak on Feb 26, 2009 8:16:02 GMT -5
But Bosniaks don't have any other choice. Serbs and Croats do. And when it seems things won't improve it becomes an easier choice if you are struggling to move. Firstly, where are you writing this from? and secondly, news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=118501There's always choices in life, don't let anyone tell you there isnt. dude, that goes for everyone. I coach soccer and I had a Serb guy on it and he is from Beograd and decided to come here for a better life. I asked if he would consider going back and he said "no..just to visit." Same goes for a lot of Serbs and Croats that I know in my community here in Canada. Point is, without being in EU, it is tough to get out of Bosnia to western nations. It is easier to get out into Serbia or Croatia. So many Serbs and Croats are doing that. Bosniaks on the other hand are mostly deciding to tough it out. |
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