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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 8, 2008 13:42:56 GMT -5
I guess we should collectivize the blame upon muslims in general for the attacks of 9/11 , the violent response to ( IMO funny) cartoons in Danish papers , and all the other bat$hit lunacy projected from the muslim world. The passive non aggressive muslims that silently give sanction to the violence of the extremists should be blamed as well? Oh no, we can't do that since collectivizing blame in that case would be wrong. Hahaha.
And then you're gonna sit here and collectively assign blame to a group of peoples' 'cultural heritage.' What a clown.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 8, 2008 13:43:16 GMT -5
That doesn't make 'your people' superior morally in any way. Yes it does. Idiot
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Post by tito on Dec 8, 2008 13:59:43 GMT -5
And then you're gonna sit here and collectively assign blame to a group of peoples' 'cultural heritage.' Correct, after destroying 270 mosques in Belgrade the Serbs where awarded, after destroying all mosques in the territories they occupied during the latest aggression on Bosnia they where awarded once again. This has been going on for 200 years now, it has become part of their genocidal culture and you know it.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 8, 2008 14:03:14 GMT -5
You simply can't have it both ways. If you identify yourself as a muslim and a bosnian then you must also be open to accepting collectivized blame for all the horror that individuals from these groups perpetrated. Shall I personally blame you for global muslim terrorism and Serbs and Croats murdered by Bosnians with guns?
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Post by tito on Dec 8, 2008 14:09:37 GMT -5
Shall I personally blame you for global muslim terrorism and Serbs and Croats murdered by Bosnians with guns? I don’t care what you do, you are a Serboid so nothing you say can surprise me. You people have no shame and this topic is a perfect example of that.
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Post by servus on Dec 8, 2008 14:14:58 GMT -5
what can you do. serbs for most part of their history have been intolerant of other religions.
i am speaking as a christian albanian in which i sympathize with many bosniak muslims in this case. this is just wrong.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 8, 2008 14:16:27 GMT -5
You're clearly delusional. What is a 'Serboid?' Is your mind so narrow that you segregate people into Serb and non-Serb? Is this bad v good to you? I find it absolutely amazing and tragic that you seem to have a tough time taking to people as individuals but rather collectivize them. This is a psychological issue that probably stemmed from the way you were raised and maybe some war trauma if you lived through that. There is a larger and more meaningful world out there when you think freely.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 8, 2008 14:20:20 GMT -5
what can you do. serbs for most part of their history have been intolerant of other religions. i am speaking as a christian albanian in which i sympathize with many bosniak muslims in this case. this is just wrong. Well no doubt there have been particular Serbs that have been intolerant towards other religions. Particularly the more religious Serbs. But I don't see how this phenomenon can be designated to only Serbs. Surely in the course of human history many people have exhibited this same intolerance. We see much of this in the present but in many other parts of the world and not just in Serbia. I have to say, this doesn't look like you're trying to assert a statement of objective fact but rather a pathetic way of assigning guilt to a collective people simply to satiate your own prejudices.
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Post by servus on Dec 8, 2008 14:28:41 GMT -5
^ in this particular thread we are talking about religious intolerance from serbs. I dont know why you bring up other issues? if we were to talk about muslim intolerance, yes, there have been plenty of cases. how does that justify this act?
thats like saying: "of serbs did it, but others have done it aswell so its okay dont prejudice".
so you Arthur, if you are so given by logic should condemn this particular act otherwise it is you who is prejudicing by playin "wise guy".
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 8, 2008 14:37:54 GMT -5
^ in this particular thread we are talking about religious intolerance from serbs. I dont know why you bring up other issues? if we were to talk about muslim intolerance, yes, there have been plenty of cases. how does that justify this act? thats like saying: "of serbs did it, but others have done it aswell so its okay dont prejudice". so you Arthur, if you are so given by logic should condemn this particular act. The reason I bring it up is because if you are really interested in the issue of intolerance then isn't it important to analyze where it comes from on the most fundamental level? It poses the question, is this more about actual intolerance or is this about picking on bad individuals who happened to be identified as Serbs. The whole issue of intolerance goes much deeper than the Serbian or Albanian identity. We see the phenomenon present in all peoples whether it be the regime in Croatia of WW2 , certain Albanians in Kosovo, certain Greeks and Turks, muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia, racism in the West, etc. I am not very tolerant of religion to be honest and I don't know why I should be. It does not mean I advocate violence against religion as a 'cure.' This sort of 'positive liberalization' is contradictory to the positions I hold.
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Post by servus on Dec 8, 2008 14:55:01 GMT -5
I am not very tolerant of religion to be honest and I don't know why I should be.
so how can you preach morality when you are intolerant[not very tolerant] yourself? you reserve the right to believe in everything you want but that does not give you a right to judge others.
my opinion is that even if there exist no god we should respect those who do(even those who seek to make themselves feel better).
again what i said is "most" and it is well documented that serbs have been intolerant. i dont see how that equates guilt to the whole nation. Nop. I emphasized guilt to the most of the nation.
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Post by zgembo on Dec 8, 2008 15:35:41 GMT -5
Quoted from another forum: Četnička se pesma ori, Fazlagića kula gori.
Kula Fazlagića je, za vreme Drugog svetskog rata, bila epicentar ustaškog genocida nad Srbima u Istočnoj Hercegovini. Zločinci iz Kule Fazlagića, poklali su i u jame bacili više od dve hiljade Srba. Genocid su presekli četnici vojvode Petra Samardžića, kada su razbili taj bastion Ante Pavelića i velikog jerusalimskog muftije, ličnog Hitlerovog i Himlerovog prijatelja, Mohameda hadži Emina el Huseinija.www.forum.hr/archive/index.php/t-218016.html
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Post by kapetan on Dec 8, 2008 15:51:54 GMT -5
Un-f**kin-belivable. I take this personaly cuz my whole family originates from Gacko-Fazlagic Kula-Kljuc area. And I know almost none of us is left there today even though Kljuc was ONLY us before.
Disgusting. Keep pushing though, sooner or later there will be a response. Gacko is infamous for ..well you know what.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 8, 2008 18:24:36 GMT -5
Quoted from another forum: Četnička se pesma ori, Fazlagića kula gori.
Kula Fazlagića je, za vreme Drugog svetskog rata, bila epicentar ustaškog genocida nad Srbima u Istočnoj Hercegovini. Zločinci iz Kule Fazlagića, poklali su i u jame bacili više od dve hiljade Srba. Genocid su presekli četnici vojvode Petra Samardžića, kada su razbili taj bastion Ante Pavelića i velikog jerusalimskog muftije, ličnog Hitlerovog i Himlerovog prijatelja, Mohameda hadži Emina el Huseinija.www.forum.hr/archive/index.php/t-218016.htmlSo if I folow your logic, any crime on Serbs is ok now, cuz of the 90's. Also the WW2 crimes on Serbs ar eok since they are revenge for WW1 and the cetnik massacres in ww2. Great.
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Post by zgembo on Dec 8, 2008 18:25:13 GMT -5
What is it infamous for?
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Post by bob1389 on Dec 8, 2008 18:45:23 GMT -5
Quoted from another forum: Četnička se pesma ori, Fazlagića kula gori.
Kula Fazlagića je, za vreme Drugog svetskog rata, bila epicentar ustaškog genocida nad Srbima u Istočnoj Hercegovini. Zločinci iz Kule Fazlagića, poklali su i u jame bacili više od dve hiljade Srba. Genocid su presekli četnici vojvode Petra Samardžića, kada su razbili taj bastion Ante Pavelića i velikog jerusalimskog muftije, ličnog Hitlerovog i Himlerovog prijatelja, Mohameda hadži Emina el Huseinija.www.forum.hr/archive/index.php/t-218016.htmlHmm. I became suspicious when I googled 'Fazlagic Kula' to see what it actually was and the fourth result was a youtube Croatian pride video called 'NDH Fazlagic Kula' au.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv-68uyt7Y8One of the first quotes it shows "Predaj se Mesaga, pala ti NDH" "Kako bolan pala, jos se drzi Fazlagica Kula!" They were probably playing ustaske for bajrum or whatever they call it. neka gori bez milosti
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Post by kapetan on Dec 8, 2008 19:06:38 GMT -5
Yea its a croatian propaganda thing talking about heroic "croatian muslims" lolz
those guys pwned both chetniks and partizans there tho for the whole war. fazlagic kula never fell.
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Post by bob1389 on Dec 8, 2008 19:34:47 GMT -5
Yea its a croatian propaganda thing talking about heroic "croatian muslims" lolz those guys pwned both chetniks and partizans there tho for the whole war. fazlagic kula never fell.As a Chetnik and a Partizan I'm happy to say it did, just the other night infact. nema vise NDH!
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Post by srbobran on Dec 8, 2008 20:14:40 GMT -5
Actually, if you read about the operation Handschar was involved in, you'll see that they rarely engaged Chetniks as opposed to Partizans whom they were specifically formed to fight against.
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Post by zgembo on Dec 8, 2008 20:29:40 GMT -5
Also the WW2 crimes on Serbs ar eok since they are revenge for WW1 and the cetnik massacres in ww2. LOL. OK, buddy. You know full well that all Chetnik massacres in WWII were reprisals against Ustasha/NDH crimes. And for your information, Bosnian Muslims were shaking in their boots in 1918 when the Serbian Army entered Bosnia. They expected vengeance for the pogroms of Serbs that occurred in Bosnia during WW1, not to mention everything before then. Had King Alexander not wanted to build a multi-ethnic country back then, you wouldn't be alive today and Bosnia would be as Muslim free as Sumadija.
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