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Post by sweetnugs on Jun 21, 2008 15:47:28 GMT -5
Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina should be all means unite into one single state which will strongly resist the Serbian aggression and will make Albanians & Bosniaks Republic a superpower with a large military and powerful and robust economy. Ti si lud.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jun 21, 2008 18:20:14 GMT -5
Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina should be all means unite into one single state which will strongly resist the Serbian aggression and will make Albanians & Bosniaks Republic a superpower with a large military and powerful and robust economy . You have forgot to add economical super power "Republic of Kosova"! Do you know that half of Bosnia and half of Herceovina is Serbian?
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Jun 21, 2008 18:35:26 GMT -5
gresis shone, kaze se republjik
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Post by vinjak on Jun 21, 2008 18:40:02 GMT -5
Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina should be all means unite into one single state which will strongly resist the Serbian aggression and will make Albanians & Bosniaks Republic a superpower with a large military and powerful and robust economy.LMAO For that to be effective you need Croatia on board as well.
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Post by Boško Buha on Jun 21, 2008 18:45:10 GMT -5
Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina should be all means unite into one single state which will strongly resist the Serbian aggression and will make Albanians & Bosniaks Republic a superpower with a large military and powerful and robust economy.LMAO For that to be effective you need Croatia on board as well. Yeah they need to sober up after that game last night.
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Post by radovic on Jun 21, 2008 19:12:31 GMT -5
Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina should be all means unite into one single state which will strongly resist the Serbian aggression and will make Albanians & Bosniaks Republic a superpower with a large military and powerful and robust economy. Albanians can't manage an economy. Albania suffered no war, and it has one of the worst economies in Europe. Of Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia and Kosovo, Kosovo received the least war damage and the most aid and it is worst of in 2008 then it was in 1998 or 1989. In the entire era of SFRY there was economic progress in Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Vojvodina, Bosnia (which had the SFRY stopped functioning on a federal level in 19990, become a net contributor to the equalization payments in Yugoslavia), Montenegro & FYROM. Kosovo on the other hand went from consuming 30% of equalization payments in 1948, to consuming 70% in the 1980s, and would have consumed 85% of the payments had Yugoslavia continued into the 90s.
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Post by markosijekira on Jun 22, 2008 0:15:01 GMT -5
Every bosniak I met does not pray 5 times a day, so no Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Magrib…but maybe Isha and drinks alcohol and some eat pork…hardly a recipe for some Islamic unity state. I wonder why the wahabbis try so hard. Or has the religious observance down in Bosnia change that much since my last visit? (Which granted was before the war)
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Post by tyson on Jun 23, 2008 6:43:49 GMT -5
i've heard of rumors of some bosniaks eating pork, but i'd find it hard to believe there are much eating pork now. none of the bosniaks i have met in my lifetime eat pork, but some guys drink alcohol like all young people are doing. turks dont eat pork, but its in the turkish culture to drink alcohol. they have their own special brandies and other spirits.
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Post by Boško Buha on Jun 23, 2008 7:37:07 GMT -5
i've heard of rumors of some bosniaks eating pork, but i'd find it hard to believe there are much eating pork now. none of the bosniaks i have met in my lifetime eat pork, but some guys drink alcohol like all young people are doing. turks dont eat pork, but its in the turkish culture to drink alcohol. they have their own special brandies and other spirits. What does this or the post before this have to do with anything? If your going to talk about religion talk about your own religion and do not attack others.
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Post by tyson on Jun 23, 2008 12:41:43 GMT -5
i've heard of rumors of some bosniaks eating pork, but i'd find it hard to believe there are much eating pork now. none of the bosniaks i have met in my lifetime eat pork, but some guys drink alcohol like all young people are doing. turks dont eat pork, but its in the turkish culture to drink alcohol. they have their own special brandies and other spirits. What does this or the post before this have to do with anything? If your going to talk about religion talk about your own religion and do not attack others. i really dont give a shyt . i wanted to comment on this post above. i'll talk what ever the fukk i wanna talk about, and i didnt attack others. you have just opened the can of worms. Had to edit ya bro. Last comment was a bit too harsh.
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Post by MiG on Jun 23, 2008 21:54:03 GMT -5
Boys play nice.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 23, 2008 22:38:39 GMT -5
Thankfully it isn't up to a few people on the internet. Unfortunately it isn't up to the will of the locals. Whether or not the Federacija and Albania join is up to the internationals. Which will happen if both entities join the EU which the internationals are pushing for. So expect an influx of Albanian immigrants and Albanians turning Bosnia into another Kosovo within 150 years.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 24, 2008 8:30:04 GMT -5
Bosna should unite with Croatia to stop colonazation of serbs in Bosna (like did thet in Kosova, Vojvodina and Montenegro)
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Post by radovic on Jun 24, 2008 9:33:34 GMT -5
Bosna should unite with Croatia to stop colonazation of serbs in Bosna (like did thet in Kosova, Vojvodina and Montenegro) Idiotic statement. Vojvodina has had a Serb population since the 3rd or 4th century. Serbs are largely the descednants of Sarmatians, and Sarmatians settlements have been found in Vojvodina dating to the 3rd and 4th centuries. Even if you don't want to accept this fact. The Slavs were in Vojvodina in the 6th and 7th centuries, while the Hungarians didn't even appear until the 10th. Even after the Hungarians appeared, a large Hungarian population was poresent only by the 13th century and even then there was always a large Slavic population. In 1483, a Hungarian source says that around half the population in what is now relatively Vojvodina was Serb. From the 15th to 18th centuries due to the large Serbian population the region was called Rascia or Little Rascia (the old name for Serbia). During the time of Ottoman rule in Vojvodina, most of the population was Serb -- most of the 20% or so who stayed and did not flee. As a result of this depopulation, the Serb population increased. After the conquest of Vojvodina by the Habsburgs, more migrations continued to Vojvodina. These consisted primarily of Serbs, Germans and Hungarians with some Czechs, Rusyns, Slovaks, Romanians, and others (including Spanish settlers, Italians and the French). It is during this time that Vojvodina no-longer had an absolute Serb majhority.Look at historical censuses. 1690- almost all the population in Vojvodina (- Srem) was Serb. 1715- 97.6% of Backa was Serbs and other slavs. 1720- 73% Serbs, 21% other slaves in Backa and absolute Serb majority in weatern Banat. A century later the picture was much different. In 1820, Slavs were 44% of Backa's population with the rest being mostly Hungarians & Germans. 1880-1941 the population of Vojvodina was always 33%-35% Serb. After WWII the population became 50%, by 1991 it became 57%. Mow it is at over 65%. So basically the only periods in which Serbian colonization actually changed the population structure of Vojvodina was after WWII (and this change in population was more due to the expulsions of Germans) and after SFRY ended when people who called themselves Yugoslavs moved to call themselves serbs and when refugwees came in (they were not counted in the last census).Your claims of colonization of Kosovo are also ridicoulous. All historical documents from thge 15th century onwards show a clear Serb majority. Albanians are not present in large numbers until after the First Serb Migration in the early 1700s, and the Second Migration in 1737. After these in 1838 the Joseph Mullers study showed Serbs and Slavs being the majority by 57% to 42% to Albanians. In 1871 Peter Kukulj's research suggested a 64% to 32% Slavic Majority. So even after the Serb migrations, Serbs and Slavs were still majority in Kosovo in 1871.After the Serbian expulsions in 1878 and the period after Serb independence was recognuized the situation changed. In 1899 abn Austrian study said 47.88% Albanians to 43.7% Serb. By 1912 after mall expulsion in 1908, the population became 2/3 Albanian majority. So Albanians only became a majority after expulsion after 1878, more specifically in 1908 did they start to have a large majority. All Serb colonists after 1918, were expelled in WWII. And some 20,000 (less then 3% of refugees in Serbia) Krajina refugees were settled in Kosovo before bweing expelled in the 90s. All attempts at Serb colonization after WWI were ineffective in doing anything you claim.About Bosnia. All this so-called "Serb colonization" occured when the Ottomans ruled Bosnia, and thus occured in the period Bosniaks love to glorify.Your claims on Montenegro are especially idiotic. The Montenegrins are Serbs. Throughout the entire Ottoman rule in the Balkans, the Montenegrin leaders were the biggest nationalists and the printing presses in Cetinje were the biggest source of Serb propaganda. Not only that but why would anyone migrate to Montenegro in that period given that it was poor and had little arable land. If you knew anything about history, you'd no it was people from Montenegro who migrated to Serbia and that it is due to them that Serbs no longer speak Torlakian dialects.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jun 24, 2008 9:43:15 GMT -5
It's waaaaaayyyy to late for that now.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 24, 2008 10:00:59 GMT -5
radovic, about Kosova all evidence are from Venedian, Bulgarian and Turkish (from XV Century) that Albanians were Majority...we had talket alot about it...serbs colonizatet Kosova durink 1916-1932 while alot Albanians have been displaced from Kosova/macedonia/south serbia into Turkey), dont forget great genocide on Albanians in 1912 who killed over 5000 (only Prishtina- Capital of Republic of Kosova). 2) Vojvodina was very mixed with Majority of Hungarians with German, Chezh, Vllach, Serb miniority (and others)...serbs before XVIII Century never were more than 20%. 3) Montengrins are not serbs but particual people (like Bosnaks, Croats, Bulgarians ect), look Montenegro census data, in 1941 were only 2% serbs today are 30% hmm.
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Post by radovic on Jun 24, 2008 10:12:07 GMT -5
radovic, about Kosova all evidence are from Venedian, Bulgarian and Turkish (from XV Century) that Albanians were Majority...we had talket alot about it...serbs colonizatet Kosova durink 1916-1932 while alot Albanians have been displaced from Kosova/macedonia/south serbia into Turkey), dont forget great genocide on Albanians in 1912 who killed over 5000 (only Prishtina- Capital of Republic of Kosova). The Turk soruces affirm Serbs were majority. These Bulgar/Venetian sources, you do not even provide. Furthermore, I did mention that colonization and that it was inefficient. But if you actually read what I posted, it was regarding the fact that Albanians are the ones who colonized Kosovo -- long before 1918 happenned. Wrong. Before the XVII century Serbs were majority. Turkish sources as well as the Ayustrian emperor affirmed this. It is only udner Maria Theresa that Germans. Czechs and Hungarians appeatred in large numbers. Hungarians were only majority in northern region, in Vojvodina as a whole it was Serb majority. Look at Montenegrin census data before 1941: 1909- 95% Serb 1921- 91.35% Serb 1931- (with expanded borders incoroporating Catholic Boka) 80.88% Serb Not only that but the 30% that is now Serbs is exclusively due to the fact that more then 40% of people declaring themselves Montenegrins in 1991 have chosen to epouse a Serb identity as Montenegrins are Serbs.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 24, 2008 10:25:05 GMT -5
Give that your turkish source here or name and surname of author? (of course you can't find but still i am waiting) you are posting from njegosh.org who call serb all montengrins if Montes are serbs why they separatet from Serbia, first you must ask yourself why?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 24, 2008 10:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 24, 2008 11:05:38 GMT -5
Bosna should unite with Croatia to stop colonazation of serbs in Bosna (like did thet in Kosova, Vojvodina and Montenegro) That was already tried back in '41. The results were not so good. if Montes are serbs why they separatet from Serbia, first you must ask yourself why? Local power hungry politicians more concerned with their wallet then they are with Serbdom. Thanks for all those sources, they really bring credibility to your propaganda. FYI: Any source which states Serbs have tried to create a "Greater Serbia" is biased beyond all hell and doesn't base its information on facts.
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