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Post by MiG on Jun 9, 2008 19:21:24 GMT -5
^ That may be true, but what about the case of Stjepan Radic, and others that ended up like him in Kraljevina Jugoslavija.
But even though everything was from "revenge", you still think it should have been exercised 50 years later? I personally don't see major differences between Croats, Bosniaks, and Serbs. I see us as different tribes/pieces of something greater. Had we put our differences aside or split peacefully back in 1919/1920, then we wouldn't have the problem we are having today.
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Post by zgembo on Jun 9, 2008 21:37:37 GMT -5
You killed King Alexander to avenge Stjepan Radic? Wasn't that enough?
It's hard to justify what the Ustashe did in WW2. Serbs being unfair rulers in the Kingdom was met with an Ustasha genocide that ended with over a million dead Yugoslavs.
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Post by niquetamere on Jun 9, 2008 22:10:08 GMT -5
Your retardation is brought to a new level, 5 proxy enemies and two superpowers? Are you talking about Tito's partizans or your baby killer cetniks? The cetniks refused to fight head on any enemy instead attacked villages and women and children just like your modern cetniks! The killing of innocent civilians in WW2 started with the Ustashe and their Muslim proxies. Everything the Chetniks did they did in revenge. What happened in Foca and Rogatica was way before WW2. Many Muslims who joined NDH was to get revenge on Cetniks who slaughtered their families in eastern BiH years before.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 9, 2008 22:30:12 GMT -5
Guys quit the insults. Anyways, Deucaon, I'm not going to start an argument over what the Cetniks did in WW2 (Because Blackswans summed it up). He summed up nothing. No one has any proof that Chetniks did anything except the testimonies from fascists and communists. And don't you start comparing Chetniks and Ustasha because the comparison between the two is ludicrous. What I will start poking at is your inability to see that in 1991, the Serbs had all the positions of strategic superiority, and all the military equipment of JNA's 5th, 17th, and 37th Corps. They had most of the 4th Corps, but Bosniaks got 25% of that equipment (Which is not much, a couple of Mortars and Anti-Tank weapons). Give me you thoughts (And I mean serious insight) into what kind of a position the Serbs are in now. You're forgetting the amount of equipment lost during the Croatian siege on JNA barracks or the amount of equipment lost when Muslims started ambushing JNA convoys. To sum up the Serb position now: we have the same amount of manpower we did in 1991 with less heavy weapons then in 1991 but our forces aren't stretched out like they were in 1991. I think he is too busy giving himself mental masturbation about what a great military leader Mladic was (even though military historians would say he was a poor leader and tactician). Mladic was a poor tactician and strategist but he was the best in Bosnia. The killing of innocent civilians in WW2 started with the Ustashe and their Muslim proxies. Everything the Chetniks did they did in revenge. The only crimes I can think of was done Serb on Serb through the Chetnik/Partisan civil war but that was the killing POWs and not of civilians. Other then that the Chetnik execution of Nedic could be considered a war crime since he wasn't technically a military leader. ^ That may be true, but what about the case of Stjepan Radic, and others that ended up like him in Kraljevina Jugoslavija. But even though everything was from "revenge", you still think it should have been exercised 50 years later? I personally don't see major differences between Croats, Bosniaks, and Serbs. I see us as different tribes/pieces of something greater. Had we put our differences aside or split peacefully back in 1919/1920, then we wouldn't have the problem we are having today. “We are the same people” and/or “I loved Yugoslavia” is always followed or preceded by “its the Serbs fault everything bad happened and whatever we did is insignificant to what Serbs did” when it comes to you. What happened in Foca and Rogatica was way before WW2. Many Muslims who joined NDH was to get revenge on Cetniks who slaughtered their families in eastern BiH years before. Citation needed.
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Post by MiG on Jun 9, 2008 22:39:04 GMT -5
Siege of Barracks? Attack on Convoys? The Sieged Barracks had Croat Soldiers in them. Belgrade withdrew the heavy weaponry before the Slovenia fiasco took place. The only Corps in Croatia that had more than 90% Serbs was the 9th Corps (AKA the Knin Corps).
BTW Serbs in BiH are not in the nearly same position now as they were in 1991. If you look at it (Since Banja Luka is the Capital of RS), all that has to happen is for OSBiH to take Brcko, and the war is over.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 9, 2008 22:45:45 GMT -5
Siege of Barracks? Attack on Convoys? The Sieged Barracks had Croat Soldiers in them. Belgrade withdrew the heavy weaponry before the Slovenia fiasco took place. The only Corps in Croatia that had more than 90% Serbs was the 9th Corps (AKA the Knin Corps). The sieged barracks had Croat soldiers in them? Citation needed. BTW Serbs in BiH are not in the nearly same position now as they were in 1991. If you look at it (Since Banja Luka is the Capital of RS), all that has to happen is for OSBiH to take Brcko, and the war is over. Not quite. Battle of Kozara shows that Krajisnici/Serbs can kick anyone’s ass regardless of how well supplied they are. Before you tell me that the Partisans were the multiethnic force I want you to go to Kozara memorial and look at the names of those who died, 95% of them are Serb/Pravoslavsko names while the rest are Muslim names.
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Post by vinjak on Jun 9, 2008 23:06:16 GMT -5
all that has to happen is for OSBiH to take Brcko, and the war is over.
I think that all sides are checkmated should there be an armed attack on RS, Serbia would definatley be dragged in which would in turn drag in Croatia and then the Nato bombs would start falling again and the Balkans would burn.
There is not a chance of War.
I dont even think it would get that far as the first side to start hostilitys would be bombed so quick by the alliance it would destroy them in a few days.
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Post by niquetamere on Jun 9, 2008 23:23:01 GMT -5
Guys quit the insults. Anyways, Deucaon, I'm not going to start an argument over what the Cetniks did in WW2 (Because Blackswans summed it up). He summed up nothing. No one has any proof that Chetniks did anything except the testimonies from fascists and communists. And don't you start comparing Chetniks and Ustasha because the comparison between the two is ludicrous. You're forgetting the amount of equipment lost during the Croatian siege on JNA barracks or the amount of equipment lost when Muslims started ambushing JNA convoys. To sum up the Serb position now: we have the same amount of manpower we did in 1991 with less heavy weapons then in 1991 but our forces aren't stretched out like they were in 1991. Mladic was a poor tactician and strategist but he was the best in Bosnia. The only crimes I can think of was done Serb on Serb through the Chetnik/Partisan civil war but that was the killing POWs and not of civilians. Other then that the Chetnik execution of Nedic could be considered a war crime since he wasn't technically a military leader. “We are the same people” and/or “I loved Yugoslavia” is always followed or preceded by “its the Serbs fault everything bad happened and whatever we did is insignificant to what Serbs did” when it comes to you. What happened in Foca and Rogatica was way before WW2. Many Muslims who joined NDH was to get revenge on Cetniks who slaughtered their families in eastern BiH years before. Citation needed. Citation up your ass. How about missing family members that have been slaughtered in front of relatives who live to tell it.
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Post by MiG on Jun 9, 2008 23:25:57 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_barracks#War_startsBut the Partizani were a multiethnic force. BTW, there is a difference in what the 5th Krajina Assault Brigade was, and what VRS is/was. VRS is an army, an armed force, while Kozara Brigade was a guerilla tactics units, specializing in ambush/surprise assault tactics. You're basing your argument "Before you tell me that the Partisans were the multiethnic force.." on one single unit of 1,100 men of the entire Yugoslav People's Liberation Army numbering close to 1,000,000 soldiers by the beginning of 1945. Dude, don't ever compare WW2 and the Yugoslav Wars. Don't even tell me or teach me anything about the Partisans, because I know everything there is to know about them. The Yugoslav People's Liberation Army was founded on Ideology and not Ethnicity. That is why it was a success, and that is why everyone loved the Partisans (Except the extremist Croats and Serbs).
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 10, 2008 3:56:21 GMT -5
Citation up your ass. How about missing family members that have been slaughtered in front of relatives who live to tell it. Well I hope you all can stop sucking Ottoman cock long enough to bring some credibility to your accusations with some sources otherwise its your baseless claims can and will be considered slander. That article states that the Croats got (at least) 250 tanks. Considering that you said the JNA "withdrew" all their heavy equipment to Serbia and that Serbia didn't help Krajina or Republika Srpska other then providing small arms, raw materials and volunteers, I think the war in 1991 was more balanced then you make it seem. BTW, there is a difference in what the 5th Krajina Assault Brigade was, and what VRS is/was. VRS is an army, an armed force, while Kozara Brigade was a guerilla tactics units, specializing in ambush/surprise assault tactics. I thought we were arguing about now and not 1991. You and your Croat brethren try and attack Republika Srpska Krajina and you will get your asses kicked. You're basing your argument "Before you tell me that the Partisans were the multiethnic force.." on one single unit of 1,100 men of the entire Yugoslav People's Liberation Army numbering close to 1,000,000 soldiers by the beginning of 1945. 3,000 Serb standing soldiers and 60,000 Serb civilian reserves isn't "1,100 men". Dude, don't ever compare WW2 and the Yugoslav Wars. Don't even tell me or teach me anything about the Partisans, because I know everything there is to know about them. The Yugoslav People's Liberation Army was founded on Ideology and not Ethnicity. That is why it was a success, and that is why everyone loved the Partisans (Except the extremist Croats and Serbs). You don't know jack other then the Serbophobic shit you have learn (notice that all the sources of the Wikipedia article are from Croat sources). Fact is that before 1944 the Partisans were a Serb dominated force. Another fact is that those Partisans (after most of the Serbs had left the Partisans because the communist whorish dictatorship didn't allow them to worship) started slaughtering Serb "Chetniks" and "Stalinists" during the late 1940s.
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 10, 2008 9:06:28 GMT -5
You killed King Alexander to avenge Stjepan Radic? Wasn't that enough? It's hard to justify what the Ustashe did in WW2. Serbs being unfair rulers in the Kingdom was met with an Ustasha genocide that ended with over a million dead Yugoslavs. Don't paint the Croats of WW2 with a broad brush many Croats fought for the Partizans including a guy named JOSIP BROZ TITO!!
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 10, 2008 9:14:19 GMT -5
Today at 12:29am, theblackswans wrote: I think he is too busy giving himself mental masturbation about what a great military leader Mladic was (even though military historians would say he was a poor leader and tactician).
"Mladic was a poor tactician and strategist but he was the best in Bosnia."
You really think Mladic was better than professor Dudakovic? He smashed the VRS and fought off the VRS/RSK and the NO ZB when tactically and militarily it was impossible. His defensive as well as offensive tactics were unmatched in BiH. He used western Nato/Blitzgriek tactics that were extremely sucessful against the static plans of a not very bright always drunk mladic. Obviously Croat artillery helped liberate Sanski Most area and brought the 5th Korpus within Banja Luka. They were preparing to flee Banja Luka when Nato threatened Airstrikes and the HV pulled back there men and weapons.
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Post by theblackswans on Jun 10, 2008 9:20:34 GMT -5
all that has to happen is for OSBiH to take Brcko, and the war is over. I think that all sides are checkmated should there be an armed attack on RS, Serbia would definatley be dragged in which would in turn drag in Croatia and then the Nato bombs would start falling again and the Balkans would burn. There is not a chance of War. I dont even think it would get that far as the first side to start hostilitys would be bombed so quick by the alliance it would destroy them in a few days. I am glad there is a low chance of war, I think a big difference is how weak Serbia is today compared to 1991. I don't think Serbia would be dragged directly into conflict in Bosnia. Croatia would love to support a proxy war against Serbia in Bosnia today using Bosniaks as cannon fodder. I do think Nato would drop bombs on the Serbs quickly if it came to it, the 1990's aren't that long ago and Serbia has a reputation that still stands. I think RS would give a long pause before war, cetniks like to fight when they have all the leverage, otherwise they like to bark like a little dog. cetniks don't have the stomach for real combat, killing women and children and the unarmed is fine by them. Otherwise they are the first people on the coward train that is leaving Knin, Mostar or anywere else! ;D
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Post by MiG on Jun 10, 2008 9:26:20 GMT -5
250 T-34 (Soviet Made) tanks. T-34's are shit compared to a standard M-84 tank of the JNA, or even the T-54/55 that VSK had. An arms embargo on Former Yugoslavia (With the VSK, VRS, and FRY holding 80% of the armaments), and the other side getting shit equipment is a fair fight? If you think thats a fair fight then you must be fucked right out of your mind three ways from Sunday.
Alo, RSK doesn't exist? What timeframe are you living in. In all honesty, how old are you?
Actually, Kozara Brigade had only 1,100 men. Have you even read what I've written or has your thick skull even come over your eyes to fuck up your vision more than it is already?
Serbophobic shit I've learned? The only one that's Anything-phobic is you, you kiddie diddler. You're more afraid of Croats than any other Serb, and that's probably why you generate so much blind hate.
Partisans were majority Serbs ehh? Show me a source that states and explicitly gives me percentage and numbers, times and dates, names and affiliations of every person, of every detatchment, of every brigade of the YPLA, and then, only then will I believe you.
And then you say that there was slaughtering of Serbs. Tell me something, did I at least once mention WW2 and Bleiburg, or any of the killing sites that Croats were killed en-masse?
You don't know SHIT about anything, and that's why you go on your stupid little rants, because you start to change the subject that benefits you.
I simply asked you if you think that Serbs are in the same position as they were in 1991, and you give me WW2 occurances, battles, YPLA Brigades. I wasn't talking about that, and quite frankly when I'm discussing with you the strategic outcomes of another Bosnian Civil War, and the Position of the OSBiH/ARBiH(1991)/VRS(1991), I just don't give a shit about anything else, especially WW2 battles.
I recognize the fact that the Serbs weren't the only aggressors in the Balkans in some odd 1000 years of history of a Slavic Balkans, but they weren't the only victims either.
So if you want to argue the military of Bosnia and Herzegovina, then do it, or shut your face, and move on like someone should when they don't know jack shit about something.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 10, 2008 9:35:09 GMT -5
You really think Mladic was better than professor Dudakovic? He smashed the VRS and fought off the VRS/RSK and the NO ZB when tactically and militarily it was impossible. His defensive as well as offensive tactics were unmatched in BiH. He used western Nato/Blitzgriek tactics that were extremely sucessful against the static plans of a not very bright always drunk mladic. Obviously Croat artillery helped liberate Sanski Most area and brought the 5th Korpus within Banja Luka. They were preparing to flee Banja Luka when Nato threatened Airstrikes and the HV pulled back there men and weapons. As I recall, Dudakovic wasn't able to do shit all without Croatian tanks who provided more then artillery support during the Blitzkrieg. Although, considering that Serb highways were clogged with Krajina Serbs, Srpska Krajina forces extinct and Republika Srpska forces suffering from a 4 year trade embargo while Croat and Muslim forces had the latest weapons from US/EU (not to mention NATO provided planes to bombard Serb positions), I would say that Dudakovic should have made a deeper incursion if he was a decent tactician/strategist.
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Post by MiG on Jun 10, 2008 9:56:46 GMT -5
You really think Mladic was better than professor Dudakovic? He smashed the VRS and fought off the VRS/RSK and the NO ZB when tactically and militarily it was impossible. His defensive as well as offensive tactics were unmatched in BiH. He used western Nato/Blitzgriek tactics that were extremely sucessful against the static plans of a not very bright always drunk mladic. Obviously Croat artillery helped liberate Sanski Most area and brought the 5th Korpus within Banja Luka. They were preparing to flee Banja Luka when Nato threatened Airstrikes and the HV pulled back there men and weapons. As I recall, Dudakovic wasn't able to do s**t all without Croatian tanks who provided more then artillery support during the Blitzkrieg. Although, considering that Serb highways were clogged with Krajina Serbs, Srpska Krajina forces extinct and Republika Srpska forces suffering from a 4 year trade embargo while Croat and Muslim forces had the latest weapons from US/EU (not to mention NATO provided planes to bombard Serb positions), I would say that Dudakovic should have made a deeper incursion if he was a decent tactician/strategist. He didn't because the US/EU warned him if he did, that there would be more refugees, and that NATO forces would back out of the war because they didn't want that looming over their heads. Dudakovic wanted to, but Izetbegovic didn't let him as he would lose international support.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 10, 2008 10:12:49 GMT -5
250 T-34 (Soviet Made) tanks. T-34's are s**t compared to a standard M-84 tank of the JNA, or even the T-54/55 that VSK had. An arms embargo on Former Yugoslavia (With the VSK, VRS, and FRY holding 80% of the armaments), and the other side getting s**t equipment is a fair fight? If you think thats a fair fight then you must be f**ked right out of your mind three ways from Sunday. "80% of the armaments" with most of it going to Serbia and staying there. Perhaps you’ve heard of Bosanska Krajina which is now Republika Srpska Krajina after the fall of Knin. Do you even know what Krajina means? What timeframe are you living in. 2008, I think. In all honesty, how old are you? Old enough. Actually, Kozara Brigade had only 1,100 men. Have you even read what I've written or has your thick skull even come over your eyes to f**k up your vision more than it is already? OH! I am so offended that a closet Serbophobe thinks I am thick. THIRD OFFENSIVE: KOZARA.This doesn’t include the amount of civilian reserves. Serbophobic s**t I've learned? The only one that's Anything-phobic is you, you kiddie diddler. You're more afraid of Croats than any other Serb, and that's probably why you generate so much blind hate. I am not afraid of any ethnic group but I must say that I do hate revisionist d**kheads like you. Partisans were majority Serbs ehh? Show me a source that states and explicitly gives me percentage and numbers, times and dates, names and affiliations of every person, of every detatchment, of every brigade of the YPLA, and then, only then will I believe you. 'Wag the Dog' in Reverse.Using logic: Croats, Muslims, Slovenes and Albanians had no reason to join the Partisans until 1944 when they were losing. Sure, in areas with a high Croat population they would have high percentage of Croats but the majority of Partisan concentration (before 1944) was in west Serbia and east Bosnia which would mean a higher percentage of Serbs. And then you say that there was slaughtering of Serbs. Tell me something, did I at least once mention WW2 and Bleiburg, or any of the killing sites that Croats were killed en-masse? The killing of Ustasha families can hardly be compared to the purges committed by Tito because he was threatened by the popularity of Serb leaders. You don't know s**t about anything, and that's why you go on your stupid little rants, because you start to change the subject that benefits you. ...hypocrisy springs to mind. I simply asked you if you think that Serbs are in the same position as they were in 1991, and you give me WW2 occurances, battles, YPLA Brigades. I wasn't talking about that, and quite frankly when I'm discussing with you the strategic outcomes of another Bosnian Civil War, and the Position of the OSBiH/ARBiH(1991)/VRS(1991), I just don't give a s**t about anything else, especially WW2 battles. My examples shows that Serbs can fight better then (and win) against the most powerful army that Europe has ever offered. I recognize the fact that the Serbs weren't the only aggressors in the Balkans in some odd 1000 years of history of a Slavic Balkans, but they weren't the only victims either. You admitted that you think that its all the fault of Milosevic and Serbian politicians. Don't backtrack because it you look like a d*mn fool. Just admit that you're biased. So if you want to argue the military of Bosnia and Herzegovina, then do it, or shut your face, and move on like someone should when they don't know jack s**t about something. What do the Muslims/Croats have? An army of 10,000 professional soldiers. What do Serbs have? An army of 5,000 professional soldiers. Counting reserves and irregulars without considering conscription the Muslims/Croats have an army somewhere between 50,000 to 60,000 while Serbs have about the same amount. I don’t know about heavy weapons, I am pretty sure they were destroyed/dismantled/disbanded for the sake of modernization and pacification. He didn't because the US/EU warned him if he did, that there would be more refugees, and that NATO forces would back out of the war because they didn't want that looming over their heads. Dudakovic wanted to, but Izetbegovic didn't let him as he would lose international support. Lose international support? Are you serious? You think Croats lost support after what they did during Oluja? NO! So the Balijas had no fear of losing support, it was purely a military folie.
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Post by Demonel on Jun 10, 2008 15:49:27 GMT -5
A sto se naslusa gluposti upm. Mozel ko molim vas ovoj budaletini objasnit sta je Bosanska Krajina, ja nemogu od smjeha.
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Post by niquetamere on Jun 10, 2008 17:01:21 GMT -5
A sto se naslusa gluposti upm. Mozel ko molim vas ovoj budaletini objasnit sta je Bosanska Krajina, ja nemogu od smjeha. Glup je ko tocak, ne isplati se trosit trud.
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Post by MiG on Jun 10, 2008 17:35:53 GMT -5
^ Ma nema veze ba, pusti djete. Heh, It's like talking to a brick wall.
Funny that you mention that. JNA/JRViPVO/JRM (At the start of the wars in 1991), had;
Active Personnel - 140,000 Soldiers - 90,000
PT-76 - 20 M-4 Sherman - 630 (in reserve) T-34/85 - 308 (in reserve) M-47 Patton - 319 T-54/55 - 1120 T-72 - 93 M-84 - 450
MT-LB - 200 M-60P - 800 BTR-50 - 14 TBA-72 (BTR-60) - 60 M-80A - 600 BRDM-2 - 100 BOV APC - 317
D-20 - 250 M84 "NORA A" - 210 D-30 (D-30J, D-30JA1) - 500 D-74 - 128 M-46 - 755
SU-100 - 40 2S1 Gvozdika - 100 M18 Hellcat - 260 M36 Jackson - 300
M-63 Plamen - 800 M-77 Oganj - 120 M-87 Orkan - 10 FROG-7 - 10
57 mm AZP S-60 - 100 M-55 - 350 BOV-3/30 - 100 M53/59 Praga - 500 ZSU-57-2 - 63
Strela-2 - 120 9K34 Strela-3 - 90 9K38 Igla - 220
9K31 Strela-1 - 120 9K35 Strela-10 - 18 S-75 Dvina - 60 S-125 Neva - 60 2K12 Kub - 90
MiG-21 Fishbed - 124 (All Variants) MiG-29 Fulcrum - 16 (All Variants) J-22 Orao - 115 (All Variants) J-21 Jastreb - 162 (All Variants) J-20 Kraguj - 40 (All Variants) G-4 Super Galeb - 88 (All Variants) G-2 Galeb - 131 (All Variants)
Transport Aircraft - 44 (All Variants)
Mi-8 Hip - 100 (All Variants) Mi-14 Haze - 14 (PL Variant - For ASW purposes) Ka-28 Helix - 2 (Variants A/B, 20 more that were supposed to come from the USSR never did due to war) Ka-25 Hormone - 6 (BSsh Variant) AS-316 Alouette III - 2 (Variant A, more to be locally produced under licence but never did during the war) AS-342 Gazelle - 201 (All Variants)
OSA-1 - 10 Sheshen Class - 15(Also known as Topcider Class) Koni Class - 4 Heroj Class - 3 Sava Class - 2 Sutjeska Class - 2 (Reserve due to lack of training) Una Class - 4 Mala Class - 4 Rade Koncar Class - 6 Vukov Klanac Class - 4 British Hamclass - 4 117 Class - 6
Territorial Defence Forces (TO)* - 860,000 Active Military Personnel - 230,000 Total Military Vehicles - 10,405 Airworthy Combat Aircraft - 1,045 Seaworthy Naval Vessels - 64
(4th Largest army in Europe after the Soviet Union, United Kingdom, and France)
Now to move on to the Order of Battle of the VRS/RViPVO-VRS (All equipment was received from the JNA/VJ).
Active Personnel - 120,000 Soldiers - 80,000
T-54/55 - 393 M-84 - 85
M-60P - 210 BTR-50 - 14 M-80A - 120 BRDM-2 - 30 BOV APC - 86
D-20 - 40 M-56 - 90 D-30- 150 M-46 - 75
SU-100 - 10 M36 Jackson - 120
M-63 Plamen - 40 M-77 Oganj - 5 M-87 Orkan - 5
Bofors 40 mm gun L/70 - 15 57 mm AZP S-60 - 10 M-55 - 25 BOV-3/30 - 10 M53/59 Praga - 14 ZSU-57-2 - 6
Strela-2 - 35 9K34 Strela-3 - 12 9K38 Igla - 14
9K31 Strela-1 - 9 9K35 Strela-10 - 18 2K12 Kub - 8 S-75 Dvina - 10
G-4 Super Galeb - 2 (1 Trainer, 1 Recce. - Stationed at Aleksandrovac AB) J-21 Jastreb - 14 (All Variants) J-22 Orao - 11 (All Variants) Utva-75 - 2 (Trainers) SA-341/342 Gazelle - 13 (All Variants) Mi-8 - 13(All Variants)
No Navy
Territorial Defence Forces (TO)* - 70,000 (Including Volunteer Corps) Active Military Personnel - 200,000 Total Military Vehicles - 1,659 Airworthy Combat Aircraft - 55 Seaworthy Naval Vessels - N/A
Now to move on to the Order of Battle of the VSK/RViPVO-RSK (All equipment was received from the JNA/VJ).
Active Personnel - 71,000 Soldiers - 40,000
M-84 - 30 T-72 - 2 T-55 - 215
M-60P - 80 BTR-50 - 20 M-80A - 14 BRDM-2 - 26 BOV APC - 30
D-20 - 60 D-30- 250 M-46 - 250
M-63 Plamen - 18 M-77 Oganj - 6 M-87 Orkan - 4
S-75 Dvina - 15 S-125 Neva - 15 9K31 Strela-1 - 40
Bofors 40 mm gun L/70 - 30 57 mm AZP S-60 - 60 M-55 - 150 M53/59 Praga - 250
G-2 Galeb - 8 (All Variants) J-21 Jastreb - 2 (All Variants) Utva-66 - 11 (All Variants) J-20 Kraguj - 1 (All Variants) Mi-8 - 10 (All Variants) SA-342 Gazelle - 8 (All Variants)
No Navy
Territorial Defence Forces (TO)* - 71,000 (Including Volunteer Corps) Active Military Personnel - 111,000 Total Military Vehicles - 1,565 Airworthy Combat Aircraft - 40 Seaworthy Naval Vessels - N/A
Now you calculate a bit that Slovenia kept, a bit that ARBiH took, a bit that HV took, a bit that HVO took, and the other equipment that ARM took for itself. There was way more than 20% of the equipment that Serbia/Serbs took, in RS/RSK.
No, it was international support. Izetbegovic admitted so himself.
God I'm tired of writing.
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