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Post by Kralj Vatra on Mar 9, 2009 14:37:00 GMT -5
I think a wide scale war should be planned thoroughly (i.e. not in the spur of the moment) because going up against NATO isn't exactly going to be a walk in the park. the more time serbs take, so does the enemies... when is the chance to make the ultimate MEDIA campaign under the BEST circumstances?... West had good fighting ability (broad sense), Serbs had good fighting ability, what made the difference was the propaganda superiority of the west.... so that's where Serbs should focus in the future as an area of improvement... Austria started WWI grabbing a chance given in a similar scenario...
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Post by paja on Mar 9, 2009 14:44:58 GMT -5
No problem, but I'm not.
So, according to that logic, wouldn't you want Kosovo as separate?
RS and BiH in general are a much more complex issue, caused by centuries of cross-culture and multi-nationalism and certainly the new influx of Serbs into those regions through wars.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Mar 9, 2009 14:49:52 GMT -5
"So, according to that logic, wouldn't you want Kosovo as separate?"
at the same degree that KiM albs support the self determination of the north American Indians, which in turn came from Japan, which most probably came from Asia proper, as a subdivision of .... etc etc etc
In short, in a perfect world, probably the answer to your question would be yes, but then again, in a perfect world there would be no problems at all so no problem with Kim albs either...
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Mar 9, 2009 16:20:19 GMT -5
Kosovo was never under Serbia, it was under occupation forces, under Serbian regime That it a lame answer. If you look at the country's in the world pretty much every one is occupied in some way. America is 100% occupied still it's the "democratic" world. Kosovo was under Serbia, no mather what albanians think.. And according to international law it's still under Serbias rule, to bad no one seem to follow those "international" laws anymore.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 9, 2009 16:30:34 GMT -5
paja, sorry to be suspicious, are you alb in disguise?
hahahahahahah
Pyrrosevic are you a serbian pretending to be greek ?
ahhaahhhhaah
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Post by Fender on Mar 9, 2009 18:53:13 GMT -5
Kosovo was never under Serbia, it was under occupation forces, under Serbian regime, but never with the liking of its majority. Also bringing Native Americans into the debate won't help you a bit. (but nice try though) For the end, don't be so harsh on Paja, he's new here. (plus it looks like he's the newer generation who wants to have relations with Kosovo plus understands the new reality) Your starting to sound like Thaci more andmore everyday, that is your stories are growing wilder by the minute.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 9, 2009 20:56:31 GMT -5
^ I don't even like Thaci though and I never sound like him. I actually hate him as a politician. (he's not qualified for that position in my eyes)
But your hatred towards Albanians is shown again, since you have nothing else to say you jump to attacking and saying I sound like this or that, etc. Good job Fender.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 9, 2009 20:58:31 GMT -5
That it a lame answer. If you look at the country's in the world pretty much every one is occupied in some way. America is 100% occupied still it's the "democratic" world. Kosovo was under Serbia, no mather what albanians think.. And according to international law it's still under Serbias rule, to bad no one seem to follow those "international" laws anymore. Kosovo was never under Serbia, and as I'm sure you know your own history, you came to the Balkans and invaded these parts, including the Kosovo region. The Albanian population was already there, and to some degree even welcomes the Serbs, thinking that they are a peace-loving people. (and then things went down hill from there, fast forward to trying genocide on us, etc)
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 9, 2009 21:08:26 GMT -5
Well apparently the world does now, 10 years ago no one did, that's why your country started genocide against us. (like you had done to Croats and Bosniaks) I'm sure it irks you that we are independent now, and for that reason you think our parliament is a playschool, etc etc etc. All I know is our govt is open to talk to your country, as two friends, to start new relations, while your dumbass govt is still nationalistic, still brings hate to its people, and propaganda that it owns all of ex-yugo states. I had to double check to make sure he was quoting Fender. LMAO. the more time serbs take, so does the enemies... when is the chance to make the ultimate MEDIA campaign under the BEST circumstances?... West had good fighting ability (broad sense), Serbs had good fighting ability, what made the difference was the propaganda superiority of the west.... so that's where Serbs should focus in the future as an area of improvement... Austria started WWI grabbing a chance given in a similar scenario... Yeah and look what happened when Serbs didn't plan ahead: 1 in 4 males were killed. I'm not saying wait, I'm saying that Serbs need a contingency plan for an invasion and occupation. Kosovo was never under Serbia, and as I'm sure you know your own history, you came to the Balkans and invaded these parts, including the Kosovo region. The Albanian population was already there, and to some degree even welcomes the Serbs, thinking that they are a peace-loving people. (and then things went down hill from there, fast forward to trying genocide on us, etc) First Serb independent state started out in Kosovo. Man, you know nothing about history. And I thought you were meant to be the "moderate" Shqiptar. What happened?
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Post by Fender on Mar 9, 2009 21:14:17 GMT -5
That it a lame answer. If you look at the country's in the world pretty much every one is occupied in some way. America is 100% occupied still it's the "democratic" world. Kosovo was under Serbia, no mather what albanians think.. And according to international law it's still under Serbias rule, to bad no one seem to follow those "international" laws anymore. Kosovo was never under Serbia, and as I'm sure you know your own history, you came to the Balkans and invaded these parts, including the Kosovo region. The Albanian population was already there, and to some degree even welcomes the Serbs, thinking that they are a peace-loving people. (and then things went down hill from there, fast forward to trying genocide on us, etc) Revisionism at its best.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 9, 2009 21:34:53 GMT -5
First Serb independent state started out in Kosovo. Man, you know nothing about history. And I thought you were meant to be the "moderate" Shqiptar. What happened? Hey I'm not an expert in history, but when it comes to Kosovo and our history I try and learn as much as I can. Of course not from the books written by nationalistic Serbs who only preached hate towards other Balkan nationalities. As for moderate, I always was and always will be. Have friends of each ethnicity, starting from Bosnian, Croat, and Serbian. (well I guess greek is missing lol) But you have to be moderate on the other side too, that way we can go forward.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 9, 2009 21:36:20 GMT -5
Of course not from the books written by nationalistic Serbs How about Nationalistic Albanians they can be believed huh ? Pfft ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 9, 2009 21:48:44 GMT -5
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 9, 2009 21:50:55 GMT -5
^ How can you be a moderate with that kind of debate? (exactly what I was talking about)
You don't like what I'm saying so either you attack or you don't post at all. (previously you kept deleting my posts, and they it ended with you losing the position)
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Post by vinjak on Mar 9, 2009 21:53:57 GMT -5
Hmm let me just repeat, Ethnic Serbs migrated to the territories of modern Kosovo in the 7th century but did not fully incorporate them into the Serbian realm until the early 13th century. The defeat of the Serbian empire at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 led to five centuries of Ottoman rule during which large numbers of Turks and Albanians moved to Kosovo. By the end of the 19th century, Albanians replaced the Serbs as the dominant ethnic group in Kosovo.from CIA world fact book www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kv.htmlMaybe these guys are Serb Nationalists too ?
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Post by kapetan on Mar 10, 2009 0:42:39 GMT -5
lmao @ cia site being the expert on ancient and medieval history
its like one sentence dedicated to it
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Mar 10, 2009 0:54:32 GMT -5
lmao @ cia site being the expert on ancient and medieval history its like one sentence dedicated to it Sta ces, jadni kad nisu imali para da se sa tobom ("expertom") konsultuju.
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Post by vinjak on Mar 10, 2009 2:11:18 GMT -5
lmao @ cia site being the expert on ancient and medieval history its like one sentence dedicated to it So do you disagree or are you just living up to a certain character on TV.
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Post by Fender on Mar 10, 2009 8:28:26 GMT -5
First Serb independent state started out in Kosovo. Man, you know nothing about history. And I thought you were meant to be the "moderate" Shqiptar. What happened? Hey I'm not an expert in history, but when it comes to Kosovo and our history I try and learn as much as I can. Of course not from the books written by nationalistic Serbs who only preached hate towards other Balkan nationalities. As for moderate, I always was and always will be. Have friends of each ethnicity, starting from Bosnian, Croat, and Serbian. (well I guess greek is missing lol) But you have to be moderate on the other side too, that way we can go forward. Problem is you get your so called facts from the world of Thaci, Ceku and Ramush. Now everyone knows that their facts are fabricated, in as much as yours. Time for you to put up your so called facts, otherwise it will be dealt with as opinion only and not fact.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 10, 2009 8:53:32 GMT -5
Fender, anything I say about Kosovo to you will be false because you have already filled your head with the nationalistic propaganda created by Serbian chetniks in their books. You believe only that and would give up your life for that non-sense, and even go to 3 wars to prove it. (like your country did, croatia, bosnia, kosovo)
Anyway, Kapetan made a great point, first you don't like the US and CIA but now you're linking them here, just because it has something you like? lol (can't have it both ways dude)
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