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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 12, 2008 0:57:30 GMT -5
No I don't but I do enjoy it when someone doesn't apply their own logic on these forums.
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Sept 12, 2008 1:32:04 GMT -5
Of cors Muslims would have killed their own.....perfect examples of this are happening in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Palestine etc daily. Its a method of getting attention to their cause, and theyre not the only people who do it. Its been done throughout history.
A people like the Bosnian Muslims who were so quick to change their religion and erase their history are only expected to be capable of killing their own people.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 1:42:36 GMT -5
I wander where is radiate to comment on that.
i have "heard" by some greek neo-leftists-anarchists (read: CIA employees), that the Serbs were killing serbs, etc.. and other BS like that.
However it slowly shows who the real thugs were, and what was the level of their thug-ness.
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Post by fukara on Sept 12, 2008 1:43:18 GMT -5
Of cors Muslims would have killed their own.....perfect examples of this are happening in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Palestine etc daily. Its a method of getting attention to their cause, and theyre not the only people who do it. Its been done throughout history. A people like the Bosnian Muslims who were so quick to change their religion and erase their history are only expected to be capable of killing their own people. how about you return to the old slavic Gods.. then well talk there was not a need to fake anything, sarajevo got shelled 24/7... it is possible it was done... but still 99% were "real" serb shells... and snipers.. another thread where serbian nationalists dont want to see that their leadership of the 90s killed innocent people... im gonna make a thread "serbs killed their own in jasenovac"
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 2:05:17 GMT -5
there was not a need to fake anything, sarajevo got shelled 24/7... it is possible it was done... but still 99% were "real" serb shells... and snipers.. Urban Snipers in a city THEY DONT CONTROL? I thought snipers were stationed at high buildings in town. (is there another definition of urban snipers?) Civilians were certainly killed by muslim/western forces. (some said about human safaris as well, involving sick rich dutch and english ppl)
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Post by MiG on Sept 12, 2008 2:51:47 GMT -5
Ever hear of "Sniper Alley"?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 3:18:22 GMT -5
What percentage of the total number of killed ppl by snajpers was actually killed in this boulevard? The relevant wikipedia page says 225 were killed there.
What is the number of people killed by mountain snipers and urban snipers? how many mountains were controlled by serbs and how many by muslims?
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 12, 2008 3:22:24 GMT -5
"i have "heard" by some greek neo-leftists-anarchists (read: CIA employees), that the Serbs were killing serbs, etc.. and other BS like that."
You think a gang banger from Zemun in fatigues would have a problem blowing out the brains of a Serb who did not want to do his bidding? It happened in the Krajina! A Krajina Serb farmer has nothing in common with the Belgrade/Zemun thugs who came to "save" them. Some were just as bad in treating Serbs as the Croatian thugs. Give a punk a big gun, and he thinks he is king of the hill. Patriotism my ass, fuck I need a drink!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 3:26:40 GMT -5
In the book i read about Bosnian war from a person who actually fought there (and thus has a tendency to say the truth more than couch,tv,paper warriors), he wrote about one incident of a muslim sniper (as a soldier he could tell the direction and source of the bullet), killing a serb little girl, in the eyes of her mom and the indifferent eyes of the french UN officer.
A punk thug is one thing, and A SOLDIER WHO OBEYS in orders (muslim sniper) is another thing. if this distinction is not made, then we are talking about good old stupid propaganda and wasting our time.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 12, 2008 3:30:13 GMT -5
And don’t make me start about how Some Krajina Serb Refugees were treated in Srbija. Some of my family fled from Croatia to Srbija, and they were treated like fucking stoka, living in refugee centers forgotten by the Serb government. And the advantage the criminal underground in Belgrade took of Krajina refugees is unbelievable. As a half Serb I got shit all the time in school in Germany from Serbs, joking about my cakavski dialect or calling me a ustasa, yeah I’m a fucking ustasa, thats why I fled Croatia...fucking unbelievable.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 12, 2008 3:32:09 GMT -5
"A punk thug is one thing, and A SOLDIER WHO OBEYS in orders (muslim sniper) is another thing. if this distinction is not made, then we are talking about good old stupid propaganda and wasting our time."
It would not surprise me if this true, like I said in the above post, ethnic solidarity doesnt mean shit if people have agendas.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 3:35:13 GMT -5
"And don’t make me start about how Some Krajina Serb Refugees were treated in Srbija. Some of my family fled from Croatia to Srbija, and they were treated like f**king stoka, living in refugee centers forgotten by the Serb government. "
Sure it was Serbia that kicked you out of Krajina, i forgot!
"And the advantage the criminal underground in Belgrade took of Krajina refugees is unbelievable. " The same complaints in Pancevo were from the locals against mafiozo Bosnian refugees. Whats your point? Some powers managed to fuck your country the divide you. You are blaming the wrong ppl here.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 12, 2008 3:36:09 GMT -5
No I don't but I do enjoy it when someone doesn't apply their own logic on these forums. Ok so you have no problem with Krajina being historically Croatian land ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 3:36:49 GMT -5
To add that if Serbia had implemented in reality the sanctions against RS, (which was forced to do by the big powers) RS would not exist.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 3:42:35 GMT -5
Marko, my wife being a Bosnian Serb, always told me that Srbianci i Srbianke was s**t ppl, mean and hypocrites and sneaky and ..... She told me that Serbian women from Serbia were bad as snakes...
She had never traveled or stayed in Serbia, and while the bus was traveling thru Serbia during her trips she was sleeping.
Now we have done vacations or stayed in Predejane, Vrnjacka Banja, Novi Sad, and now she tells VERY different things about Serbs.
It is (at a lesser degree due to language barriers) what is happening now between FYROM and Greece, mutual isolation and furious propaganda from boths.
I am sure the powers that designed to divide Serbs (and Yugoslavs in general) had thought about such details in advance.
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Post by markosijekira on Sept 12, 2008 4:02:19 GMT -5
"Sure it was Serbia that kicked you out of Krajina, i forgot!" I was talking about the treatment of Krajina Serbs in Serbia and not who forced them leave. Political agenda or not, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. I have nothing against Serbs from Serbia(your wife was right, they are arogant pricks, i'm talking to you Belgrade expats ), and i'm not sure what the fuck their problem was with Serbs from Croatia, but I guess in the end everybody got fucked royaly. To be fair, I observed kids from BiH who fled to Croatia also being made fun of and treated rudely by my own peers while I was still in Croatia, even Bosnian Croat kids, because they did not sound like Croats, they were just considered seljaci iz bosne! ehh ca ti je svijet!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 4:16:20 GMT -5
"I have nothing against Serbs from Serbia(your wife was right, they are arogant pricks, i'm talking to you Belgrade expats )," The problem is my wife told me such stuff out of rumors and not out of in-vivo experience. We had one not so good baby sitter from Dzep and thats why she kept being skeptical about srbianci, until we got a totally screwed up baby sitter Serb lady from sarajevo, (while the previous ones being nice ladies from Cicevac/Kragujevac), and she didnt complaint again about the bad south serbs, (my wife's initial negative stance was against south serbs)
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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 12, 2008 5:18:52 GMT -5
PEOPLE! I made this thread to show that the very idea that the 10,000 death toll given to the Sarajevo battle (not a siege since a good portion of the city was under Serb control) is attributed to Serbs alone (while Muslim soldiers fired mortar shells within the city and Muslim snipers killed civilians) is preposterous. Ok so you have no problem with Krajina being historically Croatian land ;D The government gave Serbs the land in exchange of military service so its Serb land. To be fair, I observed kids from BiH who fled to Croatia also being made fun of and treated rudely by my own peers while I was still in Croatia, even Bosnian Croat kids, because they did not sound like Croats, they were just considered seljaci iz bosne! ehh ca ti je svijet! Its not only that but people from cities and people from villages are constantly belittling one another even if they live in the same area. Superiority/inferiority complex is the cause.
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Post by fazlinho on Sept 12, 2008 6:45:30 GMT -5
well, there are even revisionists now who claim concentration camps in ww2 never existed so this behaveour doesn't surprise me at all.
And, just to add... yes, this last war as for Bosnia was worse than WW1 and WW2
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Post by radovic on Sept 12, 2008 9:56:03 GMT -5
well, there are even revisionists now who claim concentration camps in ww2 never existed so this behaveour doesn't surprise me at all. And, just to add... yes, this last war as for Bosnia was worse than WW1 and WW2 Why was it worst, bercause less then 100,000 deaths of non-Serbs count more then 400,000+ Serbs killed by Ustashas.
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