Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 8:28:23 GMT -5
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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 9, 2008 9:25:46 GMT -5
^ I concur.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 9, 2008 10:13:54 GMT -5
It was propaganda and taking s**t out of context. Obviously not since Muslims in Bosnia are a minority and he became leader of Bosnian Muslims (3 quarters of them, anyway.) No you cant. Alija never came close to doing anything close to that. Yes he was. Still, what goes on in the Hague tribunal cant be deemed as proof of guilt or evidence of crimes since the tribunal is a political tool created to weaken Serb (and pro Yugoslav) governments and armies. What? No I can't? Yes I can? Lmao what the hell you talking about? Anyone can take any threats and turn them into what you're doing. Except you're not even doing it with threats, you're doing it with a book that's been PROVEN againa nd again by respected historians and people that it was nothing but a tool for Serbian propaganda. You just don't want to accept that, there is no reasoning with you. So go ahed and be ignorant, your problem. Go on thinking you "owned" me, Noel Malcolm and eery other normal person who laughs at "Alija the super radical fundemantalist's writings about taking over Bosnia and the world with the Islamic Declaration". And sorry you might hate the Hague and international community but it's more valid then anything you'll say or do. If you guys only calmed the hell down in 1991 and 1992 you would've seen THERE WAS NO PLANNED domination of you by us. You just got turned off by the very idea of being in a country that we are a majority in, that the president of might be a Muslim. It's like you just couldn't stomach the very idea of anything non-serb all of a sudden. Not all of you of course but a large number. Never even gave it a chance. Assumed we're all blood thirsty animals and then all you did was force someone who wasn't even remotely ready for war as a nation, to fight back. Heed your own advice. Bosnia didn't have to seperate from Yugoslavia either. Did Milosevic dominate Montenegro? I don't think so. The Muslims in Sandzak weren't exactly discriminated against either. You couldn't handle being in a country where we were dominant, so you are just a hypocrite. Oh, and check out some of the SDA political rallies before the war. If Serbs should not have been scared, you are not thinking hard enough. Pure Muslim nationalism was in full-force. If you had more weapons we all would have been annihilated. Except you never waited to see if we would DOMINATE the country. Never even gave it a chance but were ready to belive bulls**t about everyone being a fundementalist and out to get you. Simply being the majority doesn't mean we're dominating you, SOMEONE has to be the majority. In Yugoslavia like 4 other nations of people complained about THE EXACT SAME THING, so it can't be a pure lie. And yes, we really did have to. The Bosniaks and Croats had to, I'm sorry, that's why they voted yes. You go ahed and be delusional beliving there was no real Serb nationalism while Muslims ran rampant. It doesnt matter anymore anyway this argument is pointless, the past is past. And the future won't go any better for Bosnian Serbs, you seem to be an unluckly group of people. and muslims in sandzak didnt have problems? LMAO thats why they fought so hard with us right?
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Post by radovic on Sept 9, 2008 10:55:41 GMT -5
Gerbald impressed with Serb Republic September 8, 2008 – 6:19 pm Former US envoy to Yugoslavia, Robert Gerbald said that he was impressed by growth in the Republic of Srpska.
“I am impressed by what I’ve seen in RS and that is a great achievement,” said Gerbald after meeting with the president of RS Milorad Dodik.
Gerbald was on a business visit to RS.
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Post by zgembo on Sept 9, 2008 13:57:59 GMT -5
Kapetan, I can see you feel the need to have the last word, and you can have it. But your right to seperate from Yugoslavia is no less legit than the right of Bosnian Serbs to seperate from Bosnia. You won't ever admit that because it doesn't suit you, but you cannot present a logical or rational argument to the contrary.
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 14:44:59 GMT -5
While we're at it, this Izetbekovic joke in his islamic whatever manifest-essay, he wrote, he is against the model of TURKEY (traditional islamic nation), but in favor of ...... JAPAN! i mean how much more ridiculous could he be?
In the mean time, our mudjahedin oppressed bosnian muslim friend has stated that he is ... AGNOSTIC regarding religion.
I mean isn't he innovative !!
So kapetan, if you are agnostic atheist, the same was the official stance of Yugoslavia as well!!! What's your OWN ideological difference with the socialist yugoslav state's principals? huh?
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Post by radovic on Sept 9, 2008 15:00:18 GMT -5
While we're at it, this Izetbekovic joke in his islamic whatever manifest-essay, he wrote, he is against the model of TURKEY (traditional islamic nation), but in favor of ...... JAPAN! i mean how much more ridiculous could he be? In the mean time, our mudjahedin oppressed bosnian muslim friend has stated that he is ... AGNOSTIC regarding religion. I mean isn't he innovative !! So kapetan, if you are agnostic atheist, the same was the official stance of Yugoslavia as well!!! What's your OWN ideological difference with the socialist yugoslav state's principals? huh? He never said Japan, he said Pakistan was a model for Bosnia.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 9, 2008 17:54:56 GMT -5
While we're at it, this Izetbekovic joke in his islamic whatever manifest-essay, he wrote, he is against the model of TURKEY (traditional islamic nation), but in favor of ...... JAPAN! i mean how much more ridiculous could he be? In the mean time, our mudjahedin oppressed bosnian muslim friend has stated that he is ... AGNOSTIC regarding religion. I mean isn't he innovative !! So kapetan, if you are agnostic atheist, the same was the official stance of Yugoslavia as well!!! What's your OWN ideological difference with the socialist yugoslav state's principals? huh? He never said Japan, he said Pakistan was a model for Bosnia. Omfg for the last time you idiots BOSNIA IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN THE BOOK. HE PRAISED JAPAN FOR BEING MODERN BUT KEEPING THEIR CULTURAL TRADITIONS ALIVE. HE THOGHT IT WAS THE PERFECT COMBINATION. lolz
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 9, 2008 20:20:00 GMT -5
The RS government. A group of individual thugs that prey off their own populace by enforcing propaganda about inherent virtue in Serb tribalism. Of course this tribalism isn't exclusive to only Serbs. What the hell are you on about? Have you ever been to Republika Srpska (or the Balkans for that matter)? Jesam. But I don't know what this has to do with the argument.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 9, 2008 20:30:32 GMT -5
I don't know if this was meant for me, probably was. I'm not a lefist , liberal , and definately not an employee of some government organization. I didn't call the general population of Serbs in Bosnia thugs, just the individuals in power exploiting them. Alright. How do you explain the fact that from very similar national stock (bosnians, croats, serbs), about 99.99% of the negative international press has been towards Serbs? The red herring would like to know whats your point. This is a hasty generalization fallacy. I never said Serbs are the 'worst' leaders. The inference is a personal attack fallacy as well. What does this have to do with the argument? Oh and lets not forget this guy: Yes they have the tendency to produce thugs like present in every other government. I never said they were 'worse' or 'better' than Croatian or Bosnian thugs.
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Post by vinjak on Sept 9, 2008 22:21:03 GMT -5
Except you never waited to see if we would DOMINATE the country.
This made me laugh....
History has shown what happens when you wait.
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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 10, 2008 1:06:52 GMT -5
Omfg for the last time you idiots BOSNIA IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN THE BOOK. HE PRAISED JAPAN FOR BEING MODERN BUT KEEPING THEIR CULTURAL TRADITIONS ALIVE. HE THOGHT IT WAS THE PERFECT COMBINATION. lolz So why the f **k did he try to take over Bosnia if he wasn't planning to take over Bosnia?
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 10, 2008 6:32:34 GMT -5
Hey radiate dude, i didnt CLAIM THAT YOU SAID SO (although you indirectly did) , (are you playing dump again?) i just ASKED FOR AN INTUITIVE EXPLANATION OF THE PHAENOMENON.
p.s. your attempt (with the irrelevant pics, etc...) to make an impression was sad....
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Post by fukara on Sept 10, 2008 7:16:43 GMT -5
“I am impressed by what I’ve seen in RS and that is a great achievement,” said Gerbald after meeting with the president of RS Milorad Dodik.
Gerbald was on a business visit to RS.
get over your self... the Dodik might be better then the SDS.. he is.. but the RS is stil a s**thole... so is the whole of BiH... so is Serbia..
so some nationalist from Canada.. that now "showed the balijas" by the "RS" beeing good..
look... you may not like it.. but the Republic of BiH was around before this war.. and then we all lived side by side... bratstvo jedinstvo... most of you are nationalist.. but I you should get your fingers out of BiH.. so should the muslims who want to dominate the other peoples... or make fildzan-islam state... and herceg-bosna croats..
you are the reason the balkans looks like it does today...
you talk about Serbia like it is something, it is not it is poor... so is Bosnia... so get a grip.. and stop with you nationalism..
"RS" is as real as "Kosova"... kosovo is greater albania.. Rs is greater serbia.. I am against both... I can get that Serbs do not want to live under Bosniaks... and then chose RS.. but if there is an offer af united BiH.. where we are all just south slavs.. and you are against it.. then you are just a nationalist seljak and should hang your selfs
in Tuzla, unlike in most of BiH.. Bosniaks Serbs Croats live side by side... no issues against each other... nationalists have never been in power here...
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 10, 2008 7:40:56 GMT -5
I can get that Serbs do not want to live under Bosniaks... and then chose RS.. but if there is an offer af united BiH.. where we are all just south slavs.. and you are against it.. then you are just a nationalist seljak and should hang your selfs in Tuzla, unlike in most of BiH.. Bosniaks Serbs Croats live side by side... no issues against each other... nationalists have never been in power here... Your dream of all south slavs living together was there alive and working, remember? until of course your extremist central asian culture started taking its toll back in early 90s.
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Post by radovic on Sept 10, 2008 9:48:07 GMT -5
Izetbetgovic did not consider Japan a model, he consider Pakistan a model, www.covertaction.org/content/view/113/75/:The country which Izetbegovic singled out in his "Declaration" as an example and inspiration, as "our great hope," is Pakistan. "Pakistan constitutes the rehearsal for introduction of Islamic order in contemporary conditions and at the present level of development." These words were written before the Islamic Revolution in Iran, which brought a new source of financial backing to Izetbegovic's project of Islamic revival in Bosnia-Herzegovina. For secular society, however, Pakistan as example is no more reassuring, considering its ongoing backing of armed Islamic groups in neighboring countries, notably the Taliban in Afghanistan
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 10, 2008 14:02:31 GMT -5
radovic, either way, the guy was a second class taliban, why bother with him?
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Post by kapetan on Sept 10, 2008 14:48:51 GMT -5
The "Islamic Declaration" was a manifesto, a sort of "what is to be done?" addressed to Bosnian Muslims discontented with their condition and status. that line alone shows this guy either NEVER READ THE BOOK or JUST CANT READ WELL. There is no mention of Bosnia, Bosnians or Balkan. And the only thing he says in the whole book that could even apply to Bosnia is "where muslims are a minority they should respect the law and culture of that country and be treated with respect and equality". Alija talks about WORLD WIDE MULSIM UNION crap (as in Muslims thinking of themselves as one nation or people), and the Pakistan Model is used for THAT. His pan Islamist views. Not his views on what Bosnia itself should be turned into. How can you turn it into that when Muslims are the minority? It goes against this whole logic. you are grasping at straws. Also a union between Islamic nations in the sense that they work together and have good relations, there is nothing wrong there, just like there is nothing wrong with serbia and russia doing it. not to mention he himself s**tted on all his views from 1970 since he was pretty much a BOSNIAN nationalist by the 90's with bosnian symbols, songs and everything else up and front. Another idiotic thing is the guy talks about Pakistan backing Taliban and all the bulls**t going on today, but this book was WRITTEN IN 1970 LMAO Alija HAS A CRYSTAL BALL!!! But I see the propaganda has seeped into every corner of your mind and of course without the "big bad islamist takeover" the serb bulls**t wouldn't be justified as it's never really been, so you can't give up on that Ayatollah Alija idea. I hope all of you realize the utter idiocy of arguing about the contents of a book you never read. Omfg for the last time you idiots BOSNIA IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN THE BOOK. HE PRAISED JAPAN FOR BEING MODERN BUT KEEPING THEIR CULTURAL TRADITIONS ALIVE. HE THOGHT IT WAS THE PERFECT COMBINATION. lolz So why the f **k did he try to take over Bosnia if he wasn't planning to take over Bosnia? How did he take over Bosnia for only muslims? The whole war our one single biggest sloganw as a free and multi ethnic bosnia like it was up untill then. See thats the problem, they viewed a independant bosnia as automaticly being against them somehow. it boggles the mind. even croats wanted to split AND THEYRE EVEN SMALLR GROUP. they'd be at the biggest disadvantage. do you think if bosnian serbs SUPPORTED the split and actualy fought with us, we'd say no? Obviosly thats idiocy, we'd all be bosnians and there would be NO problem.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 10, 2008 20:04:46 GMT -5
Hey radiate dude, i didnt CLAIM THAT YOU SAID SO (although you indirectly did) , (are you playing dump again?) i just ASKED FOR AN INTUITIVE EXPLANATION OF THE PHAENOMENON. p.s. your attempt (with the irrelevant pics, etc...) to make an impression was sad.... You inferred that I meant it which is a hasty generalization fallacy by you. The question you asked me was a red herring fallacy and had no bearing on the argument. The pics were to illustrate your habit of comitting logical fallacies in arguments. Unfortunately I find it tiring to even respond to the fallacies you seem talented at making.
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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 10, 2008 21:32:21 GMT -5
How did he take over Bosnia for only muslims? The whole war our one single biggest sloganw as a free and multi ethnic bosnia like it was up untill then. See thats the problem, they viewed a independant bosnia as automaticly being against them somehow. it boggles the mind. even croats wanted to split AND THEYRE EVEN SMALLR GROUP. they'd be at the biggest disadvantage. do you think if bosnian serbs SUPPORTED the split and actualy fought with us, we'd say no? Obviosly thats idiocy, we'd all be bosnians and there would be NO problem. You really are an idiot... or a troll.
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