Japodian
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Post by Japodian on Oct 25, 2007 6:59:29 GMT -5
It is the first time I see somebody with identity crisis from Hungary. Just to make it clear Hungarian language is Ugric with both Khanty and Ostyak and is part of Uralic family. I know how Hungarian and how Persian language sounds and there is little to no linguistic correlation. Genetically Hungarians are different story and are more closer to Slavs. As for Uralic family there is a map of it here. Pure geography says you are talking something away from reality. The intermixing with steppe based Iranian people is quite possible, but pure descending from them is quite improbable. As for Serbs they are surely close to Sarmatians and Alans since there is a Sarmatian tribe called Serboi which lived on there shores of Caspian Sea in 1st century and our Slavic language shows many similarities with Iranian group. But start of the nation is one thing while genetics is another for both Serbs and Hungarians. But this is offtopic so I will not talk about it to much here. If you want to talk about it open a topic about it or better read more books about it. This reminds me a lot on that Gothic theory about Bosnians. Be proud of what you are, do not fabricate your history. I am proud of being a south Slav and what I am, as a matter a fact my descendants may come from Zanzibar but I do not care. Another thing is that Vojvodina was not taken by Americans and given to Serbia. Vojvodina united with Serbia by a popular proclamation of all nations living there. If you want to complain, complain about the legality about it, do not invent stories about Americans. As for Iran, man you are delusional, sorry to say that but it is true! Iran has much more issues to solve in his neighboring than to care about Hungary or Serbia or Kosovo.
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Post by radovic on Oct 25, 2007 10:13:02 GMT -5
B.S. kosovo is an American puppet. Explain the Albanian "love fest" for everything American and the fact that Kosovo leadership seems to support Camp bondsteel. Kosovo is american puppet.
Ahmadinejad's goal is to bring about the return of the 12th Imam and the establishment of an islamic state in the liong term. He berlives America is the greatest threat preventing this and so he believes not helping America is the best way to achieve this. Not supporting Kosovo idnepnndence is one of the easiest ways to not help America.
Sarmatians were Persian people. They could be found from the Ukraine to Central Asia. Serboi specifically were found in southern Russia. Before the Serboi tribe developed the Sarmatians moved to Ukraine from Central Asia and before that they were in Persia. So what I said is consistent.
Sarmatians were present in russia. Who says Hugnarian isn't Finnic-Ungric. Which lingiuistic says your language is Persian? I never said Serbian is a PErsian language, but your claiming Hugnarian is when it isn't.
Wrong. You don't know history. The main reason yo0u lost Vojvodina was because your side lost WWI. Vojvodina had a Slavic majority at the time. And stop blaiming America for your losss, america was in favour of northern Vojvodina rmaining in Hungary -- the French and British were not.
any proof of this, or is that more b.s. Last time I checked the Muslim population in Hungary was only 3,201 (0.03%) i doubt their has been such a boom in the population that it warrants an Islamic insurgency.
Not only that, but Iran's support of Muslim militants is gorssly exagerrated. Iran as far as I know has only supported such militants in Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine. Iran only support such groups in nearby regions with significant repressed Shiite population, it does not support them overseas.
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Post by wbb on Oct 25, 2007 12:07:49 GMT -5
im not the only hungarian with this identity crisis, u will many hungarians are very hostile with this identity crisis, hungarian identity crisis are very disputed question my friend. wrong, hungarians have nothing to do with Ugric bs cause we are not ugric nor even closer to ugric, we are more of central-asian middle-eastern type of people especially Sumerians, Alans, Samartians, Pechenegs etc etc also including Turks, Assyrians and Arabs plus also Illyrians like Albanians. of course yeh Hungarians are so slavs that we wanted to be part of Slavic nation lol, no we are not slavs nor even closer to slav, we did intermarries with slavs but there's still no evidence to support this that we are close to slavs, that's many hungarians including me totally disagreed with this even those hungarians who have slavic blood totally disagreed of regarding themselves close to slavs. Japodian, i dont believe in this sort of propaganda, im telling u seriously we have nothing to do with Ugric or Finns, yes we have something to do with Turan but that bs propaganda which has invented only during the habsburg times. Serbs are not persians at all and that serboi propaganda is fully bs, pashtun in afghanistans tell too much folklore stories which is often bs. according to serbian propaganda yes not in reality no, Vojvodina was taken from Hungary by the allies in Treaty of Trianon. i dont think so Radovic, Kosova is an albanian puppet btw. how the hell he can bring the 12th imam? only Allah can bring Mehdi this world, and no1 knows when the 12th imam Mehdi gonna cum, so Ahmadinijad is in a dream world, he's a shiite isnt he? shiite are not muslims, sunnis like me are muslims, sunnis are an orthodox branch of Islam and sunnis are also the original muslims, Muhammed (pbuh) was neither a shiite nor sunni but muslim, and his closest followers are sunnis since we follow the sunna, shiite doesnt follow the sunna but the follow Ali (alayhis salaam), therefore shiite are wrong. if he doesnt support this then he's not a muslim. thanks for pointing out the fact, yes serbs are russian and they from russia. what a propaganda, serbs has nothing to do with central asia or middle east or Persia, serbs from russia fullstop. wrong radovic, u dont know ur history, Vojvodina is our land always since Hungary was created but even before that since Attila the Huns times. yes because all the serbs from Kosova came and settled in that region but before it was Hungarian majority my friend. America doesnt give a rat about us, America want to avoid northern vojvodina to remain in Hungary, they hate us cause they know we are strong in that region, America was more of Serbia's ally than Hungary's. It was America and her allies that favours vojvodina to be part of serbia. that's bs, there's more. there's already an Islamic insurgency in Hungary, hiding somewhere. and islamic population is the only population in Hungary that has the most population boom, while ciganys are coming second. Iran do support Sunni's too, Iranian sunnis for example do support sunni's of course, they also do support oversea militants and Hungary is a good example. anyway it's pretty pointless discussing anymore, hopefully America is not that stupid enough to prepare for another war with serbia, cause Balkans need more peace than war and Kosova crisis will be solved without agression and that's about it.
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Post by radovic on Oct 25, 2007 12:50:46 GMT -5
Vojvodina was not tkaen. The allies gave it to Serbia because most of the population was Slavic. The French and British insisted on the division while American prefferred that the northern parts inhabited by Hungarians stay in Hungary -- however the French and British did not agree with Americans.
Albania is an American puppet. And if Kosovo is an albanian puppet then so it is also an American puppet. And Kosovo is an american puppet.
I don't really care. I've read that Ahmadinejad is a member of aminority sect with in Shiism called Twelvers. This sect believes that when you have power you must do as much as possible to hasten the return of the imam by causing chaos. That is at least what I've seen said in American sources and Ahmadinejads believes seem to indicate that he believes this and that he thinks that the 12th imam will come in the next 1 or 2 years.
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Japodian
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Post by Japodian on Oct 25, 2007 14:44:14 GMT -5
I think you are a "little" bit delusional wbb! But it is OK for the sake of some topics, not this one!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 25, 2007 20:53:19 GMT -5
"Your not Hungarian, your from the West Bank."
Thats right Fends, his a Palestinian.
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Post by wbb on Oct 25, 2007 22:23:11 GMT -5
he's wrong Radovic, how the hell he knows the future, nobody knows the future, only Allah the creator knows. whatever, if u believe it then that's fine, nobody gonna actually tell u not to, for me i dont, that's my oppinion. Radovic, we only want the northern part, nothing more than that, and i hope it will return to Hungary, i think it's justified enough. just having fun in forum Japodian. well, im hungarian now, since im speaking the language and gonna get married to a hungarian girl ;D, anyway Radovic, i let u go, i need to smoke some nargile habib, want some? yummy apple with strawberry flavour. [glow=green,2,300]THERE'S NO OTHER GOD BUT ALLAH!!![/glow] [glow=green,2,300]LA ILLAHA ILALLAH!!![/glow]
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Post by radovic on Oct 26, 2007 9:45:02 GMT -5
That's what he and his Shiite sect believe. Also note that his views aren't even p[opular in Iran -- after the revolution that particular are of the sect was initially banned by Ayatollah Khomeini. After his death it was legalized.
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Post by wbb on Oct 27, 2007 6:53:55 GMT -5
then it's totally wrong. ur completely right it's isnt, Iran was better when it's was under the sunni family, it's wasnt fundamental as it is now habib, neither i believe in islamic extremism. [glow=green,2,300]THERE'S NO OTHER GOD BUT ALLAH!!![/glow] [glow=green,2,300]LA ILAHA ILALLAH!!![/glow]
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Post by donnie on Oct 28, 2007 16:28:01 GMT -5
^^ Let me point out a few glaring errors in your post. 1. First mistake, I'm not Sreb 2. Second mistake, on the old forums you called yourself West Bank Boy and stated you were from there now living in Hungary. This does not make you Hungarian. 3. How can Serbia be its own terrorist in its own country whilst trying to protect its territory. 4. The KLA in the early days were recognised as a terrorist organization. Bill Clinton changed that with a stroke of the pen. Doesn't mean that they didn't remain a terrorist organization by nature. 5. The KLA are supposedly disbanded and are not officially active, they are not officially the police. Kosovo does not really have an army, not one you can take seriously. 6. Hungarians get along with the Serbs well. Its you and you alone that has the problem with the Serb nation. 1) If you're not a Serb as you've claimed, then how, as Demonel earlier pointed out, is this more your business than WBB's? 2) That's something wbb must answer ... from what I remember, he said he was the result of a mixed marriage. Technically, however, if he is a Hungarian citizen, he is a Hungarian national. 3) Terrorism comes from the word terror, i.e. to terrorize, meaning to use force/violence to inflict fear upon socities/masses. Where was the war of Kosova fought? In Kosova! Which ethnic group is demographically dominant in Kosova? The Albanian! Was it not also they who suffered the heaviest casualties during the war? Yes! They were the ones being terrorized by the Serbian army and paramilitary as well as police, States can be terroristic as well and spread terrorism within its borders against 'unwanted elements'. If you cannot acknowledge that much, you're an ignorant bigot. 4) What the KLA was classified as in its initial phase and later on is just a confirmation of the flexbility of terms such as 'terrorism' -- they are used politically for a certain purpose, not necessarely to always describe the true nature of an organization. Was KLA a terrorist organization? Well, if we go by the definition I presented above, then NO. The KLA operated on ethnically Albanian territories. They enjoyed the wide support of the populace, which means that the Albanian population, while not all necessarely supported their path of violence (such as the intellectual Fehmi Agani, assasinated by the Serbs 1999), at the very least did not consider the KLA a terrorist group. If the KLA's intention was to terrorize, it would seem mighty stupid to terrorize the very population it drew its recruits from, it enjoyed its political support from, in the name of which they fought. So, if they wanted to terrorize an ethnic group, would it not seem logical to go to Serbia? And terrorize Serbs by bombing public buildings, such as schools, workplaces, restaurants etc?! Yet they did not. Their operations were restricted to Albanian-dominated territories and their targets were police and military, the organs which realized the structural and institutional discrimination, opression and persecution of the Albanians ever since the '80s. 5) The KLA is officially and de facto disbanded. But if we're 'nobodies', then why haven't we been pushed over so far? Yes the US and EU are a factor ... but therein lies also our strength. Above all, we have been fighting for freedom ever since 1912. If we don't get it now, it will continue. If that's not something to take seriously, then you're a fool. And while the KLA is disbanded, there are still other organizations who operate ... such as the AKSH (stands for National Albanian Army). 6) You are equally unqualified to speak in the name of the Hungarians as a whole as WBB is, if not more (he is at the very least a Hungarian national, if not even partially ethnic Hungarian). Some Hungarians undoubtly have nothing against Serbs. Some may have. End of that.
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Post by Fender on Oct 28, 2007 21:58:01 GMT -5
^^You and demonel missed the context of my statement. If you don't understand it, bad luck because i am in no mood to explain myself. Having said that, wbb knew exactly what I was talking about.
I have never spoken for the Hungarians, so your statement is redundant.
The KLA were taken off the terrorist list by Clinton, and we all know why that happened.
You like the rest of your clan thinks that Kosovo was under Albanian rule over long periods of time prior to 1912. What evidance do you have to back that up?
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