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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 19, 2009 0:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Jan 20, 2009 12:40:22 GMT -5
Indeed. Two diametrically different military concepts collide in the deserts of Egypt. Do you know where the Albanian troops came from? I think I once read that they were all recruited from the Korca area and adjacent regions (Dangëllia, Kolonja etc). Is this true?
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jan 20, 2009 18:30:00 GMT -5
Yes it is true...I know a lot of peoples grand grand fathers went to egypt that are from Permet Korca Kolonja...Especially from Permet, Mohamed Ali was himself with origins from Korca.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 20, 2009 18:41:50 GMT -5
You guys again committing atrocities for the Turks.... how sad... then you were left holding your peckers.I wonder if it was the same crowd that committed those heinous acts in Psara? Funny thing is you try to defend it as you did something noble...
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jan 20, 2009 18:51:01 GMT -5
If we did the heinous acts in Psara it was still Ottoman Albanians killing Greece Albanians, so why would you care?
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Post by donnie on Jan 20, 2009 19:03:36 GMT -5
Canaris,
What atrocities Canaris? And it is not like Greeks never were mercenaries, you have probably the longest history of being mercenaries of all modern nations, from Xenophon and so forth.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jan 20, 2009 19:07:22 GMT -5
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 20, 2009 19:46:18 GMT -5
The Destruction of the Island
On May 17, 1824, one of the worst atrocities, which is today etched in the Greek national psyche, was committed by Turkish, Egyptian and Albanian forces — the destruction of Psara. The entire male civilian population over the age of eight in Psara was wiped out, and the women and small children were sold into slavery. Every building was razed to the ground. From the 20,000 Greeks of Psara, 17,000 were massacred and only 3,000 managed to flee[1]. According to Greek tradition, there was a French observer with the Ottoman fleet who asked the Turkish commander if he would find and spare a Greek friend of his. The Turkish commander responded by bringing the Frenchman the decapitated head of the Greek. more here...
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Post by libofshe on Jan 21, 2009 7:39:29 GMT -5
ottoman forces mate...ottoman, turkish led mercenaries
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 21, 2009 8:27:25 GMT -5
Indeed. Two diametrically different military concepts collide in the deserts of Egypt. Do you know where the Albanian troops came from? I think I once read that they were all recruited from the Korca area and adjacent regions (Dangëllia, Kolonja etc). Is this true? They look like they were mostly Tosk recruits and I know Kolonja region was one of the most common sources of recruitment, hence why so much of the population there is Bektashi today. Whats amazing is that those few thousand troops managed to defeat first the Turks, then the French and British as well; while also massacring the Mumluks. And yet Mehmet Ali repaid them by the exhausting and endless military campaigns against the Wahabis in Arabia and ultimately with the Cairo massacre. I recently ran into an Arabian whose clan had been massacred by these troops in the 1800's.
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Post by libofshe on Jan 21, 2009 8:48:45 GMT -5
they wiped out the mumluks with ali pasha at the helm by luring them into a feast, read that in an article about 'the other' ali pasha.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 21, 2009 8:55:17 GMT -5
^^ Didnt Ali do the same to the Gardhiqjots? Its a common theme in late Ottoman history... people are always luring each other into into dinners and killing them that way. When the Ottoman Empire wanted to massacre the Albanian nobility in the 1840's the Pasha invited them to dinner at Monastir unarmed. When they all arrived and sat down he had the doors locked and butchered them...
Shrewed muthafukers... lol
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Post by libofshe on Jan 21, 2009 8:58:19 GMT -5
the Muzaka tribe were also massacred that way, they're probably a prime example of the ottoman dirty tactics
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Post by libofshe on Jan 21, 2009 9:04:22 GMT -5
feeding a muthafuka then killing him, that's some cold sheet,
making them get their hopes up by watching them lambs being spit roasted on skewers, watching the wine flowing, and you know they were hungry coz they travelled like 300 miles on horseback and foot, just when these dudes think they're gonna get fed a son of bitch comes out of a rug to shank him,
ain't that a biach....
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 29, 2009 0:22:55 GMT -5
Ill admit Canaris, Albanian troops of the 17th and 18th century were pretty ruthless towards those they defeated. It wasnt just towards the Greeks however. When Albanian troops in Egypt defeated the Turks, they slaughtered all the survivers, cut off their heads and placed them in sacks which they sent as gifts to their commanders. When they took a city the Turks or the Mamluks had, they slaughtered the whole population unless they were given a proper ransom. The worst is when they couldnt get payed. This happened with Albanian troops in Bosnia, they went on a rampage around the countryside, pillaging and slaughtering Muslim and Christian villages around Sarajevo until they were finally payed.
Albanians were even banned from Istanbul until very late since the Sultan didnt want their rowdiness. In parts of Arabia where Mehmet Ali campaigned the memory of the horrible Arnauts is still strong among the surviving tribes...
Nevertheless, what some of the Greeks did to the Albanian Muslim, Turkish and Jewish population on the eve of the revolution was just as horrible...
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 30, 2009 13:49:50 GMT -5
"...with a fervour of tone and action that was soon wound up to the highest pitch of fury; as if with one voice, the word was given, 'Out with your swords!' and the Albanian army, both horse and foot, rushed down into the plain."
-- Hobhouse, on the Albanian defeat of French troops in Egypt.
Albanian troops in Egypt were the only force that was able to defeat both the British and Napoleonic troops. Let alone the slaughter they made of the Mamluks...
With no one to oppose their landing the approaching Albanian troops landed, rushed into the village, occupying both El Hamed and the dyke, and immediately began opening a withering fire upon the now exposed Mohr. Macleod continued along the dyke until he reached Tarleton's 35th and 78th companies whom he ordered into an open triangle pointing south with its open face resting on the dyke. By now however even this portion of the battlefield was coming under intense fire from El Hamet and soon 35th and 78th were taking heavy losses.
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It was at this point the Mamelukes actually began talking to the Turks "asking" for the expulsion of the Albanians and allowing Egypt to return to Mameluke control. Unbelievable as it may seem the Turks agreed to this double dealing and sent both fleet and army to enforce their will, but Mohammed Ali was far to strong "defying both". The death of the Mamelukes leaders ( from natural causes?) further strengthened Mohammed Ali's hand.
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