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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 8, 2008 3:24:58 GMT -5
Yes, its terrible, just ridiculous when they start to explain why they are how they are...and in the same sentence they talk about Strabon and such guys. Albanian bullheads.
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 8, 2008 4:09:35 GMT -5
There is only 1 type of racism.
Is the clean and cut racism. You meet that ONLY in Northern Europe and US and is accepted by simple people.. not only Neo-Nazi groups. It is into their barbaric philosophy. That contains attacks on people, groups of arsonists etc etc. That is the real racism and it includes violence to every different person regardless if he is good, bad, young, old, woman or man. That is the real racism.
Now in Greece, you cannot talk for racism based on the above facts. You must use a different word... but for sure not "racism"
In Greece there is not in the philosophy of people to attact to every foreigner. Ask your Albanian immigrants or Pakistanis or Arabs or Chinese or Philipinos of whoever. They leave in peace there is no incidents of violence on them.
Now if they're fully accepted in the Greek society? No. But thats a different thing from racism as I described it above. That a form of.... lets say.... "difficult assimilation of foreign cultures".... or in better words ... "Xenophobia".
Thats normal of a country that had so many invaders who all tried to change the locals.
For example, you can live in the next appartment, you can have your cultural timetable as far as it is not against me, we'll say goodmorning every morning with a smile in our face.... but since you follow your stuff... you make your self different from me. How can I see you as.. me? That exist in many countries and that is not exactly racism. It is more like "I love my coutnry's stuff"... "adopt them if you want" or else "I cannot adopt you as one of my people since you declare by yourself you're not".... thats it.
Specifically for Albanians... ok... criminality rate among the first newcomers helped more to that "difficult assimilation in the Greek society". But now... I believe the ones who were descent... you know... family, house, respect of the rules etc life is very very easy. They have become a part of the Greek society. There is some kind of prejudism still.... but what I see is that every new year prejudism falls and falls. Most propably... they 2ond generation of Albanians and for sure the 3rd generation will be fully assimililated in the Greek society.
FULL assimilation cannot be found in rasist countries.
For example, in US, if you're not a white AngloSaxon you will never be an equal American into their eyes regardless if you're 4th, 5th or 100th generation! In Germany the same. In England the same.
In Greece thats not the case. Even if you're Arab and you adopt everything Greek... your grandchildren will be FULL Greeks. Ok.. not you unfortunately... but your kids will. Thats something..
So guys... racism is a strong word. Meds dont have racism inside their DNA. They were always too advanced culturally to have it. That is a phenomenon for northern tribes where barbarism is innate. So use it with logic..
Dont confuse political conflicts or a war with racism. That is the outcome of national pride.. not of racism.
Take a look at Stormfront. For every 100 Nordics there, there is 1 Med. That means something. Even after so many wars around MedSea... 1000 times more than Northern Europe or US..... even after the education level in Med is lower, evern after the economic level in Med is lower (a heaven for Nazi organizations!).....the racist factor is too low.
Its all about advanced culture of South vs the barbaric culture of North.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 8, 2008 6:12:39 GMT -5
I agree Basil.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 8, 2008 8:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by albillyrian on Nov 8, 2008 9:01:11 GMT -5
Nationalism and racism are 2 different things. In Balcan there is nationalism, not racism.
As for the north barbarian culture BasilMacedon said, the problem is that "advanced" culture southerns go to live in north countries, and northerns don't come to live in southern countries. For exemple, an swedish, british, danish, german, etc doesnt come to live in Italy, Greece, Portugal. On the other side there are millions of "advanced" southerns that emigrates to the north like gypsies. That explain who has the most advanced culture and prosperity.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 8, 2008 9:21:32 GMT -5
Northern Europeans have immigrated to North America.... they blend in well with the locals. There is no way to tell them apart ... A Swede or a Norwegian living in Quebec and learning to speak French ..thats it... they are completely submerged. The meds on the other hand will always stick out... Imagine a Greek living in Italy... who would know?
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Post by albillyrian on Nov 8, 2008 9:30:48 GMT -5
Northern Europeans have immigrated to North America.... they blend in well with the locals. There is no way to tell them apart ... A Swede or a Norwegian living in Quebec and learning to speak French ..thats it... they are completely submerged. The meds on the other hand will always stick out... Imagine a Greek living in Italy... who would know? I am talking about Europe, where you can compare the "advanced" culture of southerns with north culture. North America, Australia, New Zealand, were free lands where north europians emigrated and developed all these countries. And France is not e southern country, for me Frenchs are northerns
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Post by Mimi on Nov 8, 2008 11:19:28 GMT -5
hey stop voting for albanians lol, we are not more racist than any other balkanian lol
ok i admit we do make racist comments sometimes, but i dont think most of us would fisicly harm black ppl cuz they are black, but we would make fun of them yes. thats just cuz ppl are not used to see black ppl, they havent had any contact with them before, they dont know much about them i guess, they only know what they have heard or seen on tv.
i personally dont mind good black ppl, they deserve respect and should have the rights to live a normal life. i could befriend them but not mix with them, though sorry but we are not ready for that yet lol
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Post by epiroti on Nov 8, 2008 11:36:31 GMT -5
How the hell is Albania more racist than Greece or Serbia?!
There are hardly any racial accidents or clashes in Albania. We have a Greek minority that has more political rights than perhaps any other minorities in the balkans. I admit that the reasons are a little complicated, but the truth is that they are being treated nicely. On the other hand Serbia is a prime example for modern-times genocide. And Greece doesn't even recognise any minorities, nor admit (the government that is) that they committed genocide in against Chams in WWII.
I don't know how fair Albania or Serbia (or other balkan countries) would be towards immigrants if we had such influxes as Greece is facing, and since that's not a common denominator, we can't use it for comparing them. Then again, those countries are far behind Greece economically, so if they had immigrants, it is not fair to compare their treatment to those in Greece; as we know that economical well-being can affect such behaviour. Nor can you base your opinions on who is more racist just on who uses more racial jokes, etc. Thinking it and doing it is not the same thing.
Even if you look at those genocidal examples as having merely territorial intentions, to me that is the same thing as racism - complete lack empathy, and barbaric-like ambitions of power, and in some cases perhaps jealousy. I am not really concerned with rationalisations here (they are muslims, they cooperated with the nazis, etc) ...
For action-based racism (I can't believe I had to specify it), Albania doesn't even compare to Greece and Serbia. Let alone that these latter countries have it sort of institutionalised, making it far worse.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Nov 8, 2008 11:59:12 GMT -5
It seems that the people who visit these forums voted Albanians to be the highest. Is this propaganda? Let me guess the evil Greeks and Serbs made this stuff up. Come on guys who started this thread anyways. Its such a dumb thread. A good question would be, which Balkan nation attains the highest educational level? Is racism consistenly lower in Balkan nations when their level of education per capita is higher? There you go, I fixed the thread.
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 8, 2008 12:14:02 GMT -5
you know what? Majority of European people are racist!
True
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 8, 2008 12:25:12 GMT -5
Just read the remarks of Albs in Youtube... you will get you're answer.
Oh ..yeah which doofus called the French northern Europeans?
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 8, 2008 13:21:14 GMT -5
albillyrian "As for the north barbarian culture BasilMacedon said, the problem is that "advanced" culture southerns go to live in north countries, and northerns don't come to live in southern countries.That explain who has the most advanced culture and prosperity." ------------------------------------------------------------------- Why almost everytime I speak with an Albanian I have to explain that "advanced culture", "civilization" etc are not reffering to wealth. Mercedes and BMW's ?
It starts become boring...
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 8, 2008 13:24:56 GMT -5
"And France is not e southern country, for me Frenchs are northerns" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- We speak about the same France? The France with the ancient ports and colonies... ?
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Post by proleteriat on Nov 8, 2008 13:34:38 GMT -5
I hate people who hate black people then try to be like them by dressing like a thug, rapping, wattup homie i'm so hood i'm ghetto too yo Albania iz mad ghetto we black ya heard?
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Post by tsompanos on Nov 8, 2008 14:42:44 GMT -5
can someone take the crack pipe away from mysia, i have never seen him make a logical post he just posts random crap all the time and makes no sense
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 8, 2008 14:45:30 GMT -5
Mysia doesn't speak English... he uses online translators to write... thats why he keeps writing the same stuff over and over again.
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Post by malsor4life on Nov 8, 2008 14:46:28 GMT -5
Mysia is one sick puppy lol
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Nov 8, 2008 14:49:14 GMT -5
I have sent more than 10.000 posts and massages in this forum. Btw, who and from where is this little tsompanos ;D???
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Post by malsor4life on Nov 8, 2008 14:51:52 GMT -5
I have sent more than 10.000 posts and massages in this forum. Who and from where is this little tsompanos??? Oh shyt, he called you little son ! haha
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