Post by vanilo on Jul 28, 2008 4:00:38 GMT -5
Mysia,
I'm not lazy! I wake up every day at 07.00, tops, and have so many things to do and take care of that I'm usually home at 22.30-23.00 and in bed by 00.00-00.30. You're probably way more lazy than I am ;D.
You don't know anything about my background, Anittas. So just sssh, please . Just because I'm Middle Eastern, and you reckon all Middle Easterns are backwarded and bring their backwardedness with them wherever they go, doesn't mean you have the right to impose your stereotypical idea on me. It's an offense to me because my parents have done A LOT and been through A LOT to give me and my siblings the opportunity to live as anybody else likes to live: freely. You remind me of those ignorant Danes who see you not wear veil, being happy and making your own choices and are like, "oh, did your family disown you? Is that why you're able to do all of this?". Idiots.
I wasn't going to make any excuses to you since I don't have to justify myself to you, but okay...
You sound like my parents.
lol, Are you saying Danish women don't stay at home rather than working? Are you kidding me? Yeah, most work but a huge amount don't. Not working, and being a woman, has nothing to do with culture, always. Culture can give you a comfort that gives you a choice whether or not you want to work but it doesn't necessarily do anything more than that.
Why "should" I do that? Because that's your opinion and I should be of it, too?
I) I am contributing. How do you know that I'm not? Just because I can't tell you that my job is lalala doesn't mean mean there's nothing else that defines my contributing role in society.
II) lol, It's ONE baby! I don't plan to have 5 kids in 5 years!
Nah, it's an honest thing to say. Should I lie and say, "yeah, I do love working", when I don't? Just to make myself look good, in some weird way?
You make it sound like I just sit at home and do nothing all day. I do get out and do things that I learn and grow from, Anittas.
I don't disagree with that. Again, it's not like I do squat and only see my husband.
LOL! You're such a jerk! . Again: you don't know anything about what I do...you can't say I don't do anything useful when you don't know what I actually do. God, I feel like I'm repeating myself...but I have to when you have made just as many assumptions about me that aren't true.
My husband is Muslim such as myself, not an Islamist. And if you think it's him who's keeping me from working then it really just prooves what I've been saying: you don't know anything.
1) But he is making more than enough money. If I worked he wouldn't ask me to pay bills or anything, anyway. The money would entirely be my own and well...I'm not that money crazed, to be honest. I get my social interaction, growing of character and all of that elsewhere - you don't just get it from having a job that comes with a salary.
2) I'm not bored with him.
3) I do interact with Europeans.
Nothing happened to me. My dreams and ambitions have never really been related to work, what makes you think that? . It's important to me to study but I've never said my ambition is to work my way to the top, jobwise.
What "dudes"?
Not really. Again: because you don't know what I do and what I will be doing. You just assume I plan to sit at home all day in front of the TV - that that is what I'm doing now. I'm barely home since I should be able to do that.
See what I mean? You're so judgemental and narrowminded, seriously. Is that what work has taught you to be like? Then no, thanks, I don't need that, too. Society doesn't need more people who think so boxy/black and white such as yourself.
You sounds like a bad psychic you call and pay 10 kroner per minute to listen to.
lol, This doesn't remotely sound like my life or the direction I'm moving towards. Sorry, but it just doesn't .
lol, I didn't know you own Denmark's taxmoney because you're the only one paying taxes in this country. My husband pays taxes, and a lot of them, you know. Why should he do that if his kids doesn't benefit from it? I'm not on benefits or any other type of social income...I'm not a leach who just takes from society without giving anything back. So I don't understand why you're so angry.
Considering you're older than I am and you're the one who talks so highly of the benefits of working it is shocking to me to see you can be so ignorant and hateful. It's not me who needs to interact with people and learn more about their cultures...it's you. Instead of looking at me and pointing out what I need to do try look at yourself and work out what YOU need to do. Hint: get over your phobia and ignorance over Middle Easterns and what it means to be Middle Eastern. As I said, if working makes me like you then I'd definitely not ever going to work and change myself for the worse. I'd hate to always think the worst of people and be so convinced in my own ideas of how people are that I look past all the people who is completely different.
Skoric,
exactly: it's my own choice...I have the right to make it just as much as Anittas has the right to make his . As I said, I'm not on benefits, I don't recieve other peoples' money to spend on myself...I'm not lazy, boring, ignorant and yada yada so I don't really understand Anittas, lol.
As for why I study when I don't intend to work...I do that for a few reasons:
- I can't stand doing nothing. I don't like to work but I love to learn and study and use what I learn in my own way. So I study because that's what I like to do. I'm genuine interested in psychology (which is what I'm studying).
- I have a tremendous amount of people who I'm very, very close to around me. It does get tirering sometimes that whenever I interact with my friends, husband and family it's all about having fun and being entertaining...don't get me wrong, 90% of the time I love it like this ;D. But...5% of the time, I need to be on my own and the other 5% I need to interact with people that I can be more serious with. I get that "break" by going to uni and having different people around me.
- Having a degree is a security matter, also. Yeah, my husband is healthy and able to work now but you never know what will happen tomorrow, next week or next year. God forbid he should be hit by car or I should lose him...I'm not naive, I do realize that then I'd be on my own and would have to work, whether or not I like it. Especially when I'm also gonna have a baby to think about.
- In the things that I do almost every day, which are things that involves dealing with other people, I have found it extremely helpful that I have studied what I've studied so far. So I am actually using what I learn and will be using what I will learn in the future...
I'm not lazy! I wake up every day at 07.00, tops, and have so many things to do and take care of that I'm usually home at 22.30-23.00 and in bed by 00.00-00.30. You're probably way more lazy than I am ;D.
Jul 27, 2008 14:36:51 GMT -5 @jerryspringer said:
I knew this day would come when Vanillo would be indoctrinated in the patriarchal society that her culture belongs to. You don't know anything about my background, Anittas. So just sssh, please . Just because I'm Middle Eastern, and you reckon all Middle Easterns are backwarded and bring their backwardedness with them wherever they go, doesn't mean you have the right to impose your stereotypical idea on me. It's an offense to me because my parents have done A LOT and been through A LOT to give me and my siblings the opportunity to live as anybody else likes to live: freely. You remind me of those ignorant Danes who see you not wear veil, being happy and making your own choices and are like, "oh, did your family disown you? Is that why you're able to do all of this?". Idiots.
Vanillo, spare me your excuses.
I wasn't going to make any excuses to you since I don't have to justify myself to you, but okay...
I think that what you do with your life if shameless.
You sound like my parents.
You live in Denmark and you should adapt to this culture.
lol, Are you saying Danish women don't stay at home rather than working? Are you kidding me? Yeah, most work but a huge amount don't. Not working, and being a woman, has nothing to do with culture, always. Culture can give you a comfort that gives you a choice whether or not you want to work but it doesn't necessarily do anything more than that.
You should provide for your self and not depend on your husband.
Why "should" I do that? Because that's your opinion and I should be of it, too?
You should contribute to the Danish society with a self-worth attitude and not just by squeezing babies.
I) I am contributing. How do you know that I'm not? Just because I can't tell you that my job is lalala doesn't mean mean there's nothing else that defines my contributing role in society.
II) lol, It's ONE baby! I don't plan to have 5 kids in 5 years!
To say that you don't like to work is a shameless thing to say.
Nah, it's an honest thing to say. Should I lie and say, "yeah, I do love working", when I don't? Just to make myself look good, in some weird way?
We may not all like our jobs and we may not always feel like working, but it's what we do for a living; and, most importantly, work helps you grow and define your character; and no, it's not a capitalistic way of thinking.
You make it sound like I just sit at home and do nothing all day. I do get out and do things that I learn and grow from, Anittas.
All strong socities, regardless of what culture they belong to, have people working. A job gives you a way to interact with others and offers you a challenge.
I don't disagree with that. Again, it's not like I do squat and only see my husband.
So get of your fat aZZ and start doing something useful for a change.
LOL! You're such a jerk! . Again: you don't know anything about what I do...you can't say I don't do anything useful when you don't know what I actually do. God, I feel like I'm repeating myself...but I have to when you have made just as many assumptions about me that aren't true.
Tell that Islamistic hubby of yours and you will start working because, 1) he's not making enough money, 2) because you're bored with him, and 3) because you like to interact with Europeans for a change.
My husband is Muslim such as myself, not an Islamist. And if you think it's him who's keeping me from working then it really just prooves what I've been saying: you don't know anything.
1) But he is making more than enough money. If I worked he wouldn't ask me to pay bills or anything, anyway. The money would entirely be my own and well...I'm not that money crazed, to be honest. I get my social interaction, growing of character and all of that elsewhere - you don't just get it from having a job that comes with a salary.
2) I'm not bored with him.
3) I do interact with Europeans.
Vanillo, what the hell happened to you? You used to have dreams and ambitions.
Nothing happened to me. My dreams and ambitions have never really been related to work, what makes you think that? . It's important to me to study but I've never said my ambition is to work my way to the top, jobwise.
Those dudes made you change your mind. You sold yourself for a bit comfortability.
What "dudes"?
You will grow passive and seek the companion of other Muslim women like yourself.
Not really. Again: because you don't know what I do and what I will be doing. You just assume I plan to sit at home all day in front of the TV - that that is what I'm doing now. I'm barely home since I should be able to do that.
You will invest your hope in your offspring and you will spend your time doing simple housework and in your free time, you will exchange gossips with your housewife friends.
See what I mean? You're so judgemental and narrowminded, seriously. Is that what work has taught you to be like? Then no, thanks, I don't need that, too. Society doesn't need more people who think so boxy/black and white such as yourself.
You will await with great excitement for your mate to give you the attention that you seek; and for a few years, it will all be fine. But eventually, he will grow bored with you and you will try to please him using all means, including showing off as a good wife to his friends and family. A vacation here and there will boost your love life, but in the long run, you're doomed to be vacant.
You sounds like a bad psychic you call and pay 10 kroner per minute to listen to.
lol, This doesn't remotely sound like my life or the direction I'm moving towards. Sorry, but it just doesn't .
As a taxpayer in Denmark, I strongly disagree with this lifestyle and I don't want my taxmoney to go the children that you'll be raising in this slappy culture of yours!
lol, I didn't know you own Denmark's taxmoney because you're the only one paying taxes in this country. My husband pays taxes, and a lot of them, you know. Why should he do that if his kids doesn't benefit from it? I'm not on benefits or any other type of social income...I'm not a leach who just takes from society without giving anything back. So I don't understand why you're so angry.
I'm sorry if your parents threatened your life, but grow some balls, damn it!
Considering you're older than I am and you're the one who talks so highly of the benefits of working it is shocking to me to see you can be so ignorant and hateful. It's not me who needs to interact with people and learn more about their cultures...it's you. Instead of looking at me and pointing out what I need to do try look at yourself and work out what YOU need to do. Hint: get over your phobia and ignorance over Middle Easterns and what it means to be Middle Eastern. As I said, if working makes me like you then I'd definitely not ever going to work and change myself for the worse. I'd hate to always think the worst of people and be so convinced in my own ideas of how people are that I look past all the people who is completely different.
Skoric,
exactly: it's my own choice...I have the right to make it just as much as Anittas has the right to make his . As I said, I'm not on benefits, I don't recieve other peoples' money to spend on myself...I'm not lazy, boring, ignorant and yada yada so I don't really understand Anittas, lol.
As for why I study when I don't intend to work...I do that for a few reasons:
- I can't stand doing nothing. I don't like to work but I love to learn and study and use what I learn in my own way. So I study because that's what I like to do. I'm genuine interested in psychology (which is what I'm studying).
- I have a tremendous amount of people who I'm very, very close to around me. It does get tirering sometimes that whenever I interact with my friends, husband and family it's all about having fun and being entertaining...don't get me wrong, 90% of the time I love it like this ;D. But...5% of the time, I need to be on my own and the other 5% I need to interact with people that I can be more serious with. I get that "break" by going to uni and having different people around me.
- Having a degree is a security matter, also. Yeah, my husband is healthy and able to work now but you never know what will happen tomorrow, next week or next year. God forbid he should be hit by car or I should lose him...I'm not naive, I do realize that then I'd be on my own and would have to work, whether or not I like it. Especially when I'm also gonna have a baby to think about.
- In the things that I do almost every day, which are things that involves dealing with other people, I have found it extremely helpful that I have studied what I've studied so far. So I am actually using what I learn and will be using what I will learn in the future...