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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 5, 2008 19:47:41 GMT -5
This declared Ali Ahmeti, leader of Albanian party DUI, in Fyrom to the newspaper novamonkeydonjia. Ahmeti, participates in governmental coalition VMRO-DPMNE and his statement caused nervous shock in the government of FYRoM. But was not limited in them, Ali Achmeti Operated again the illegal museum of the liberation army of Albanians of the Former Yougoslave Republic of Macedonia waving the Albanian flag. Skopje. Monkeydonjians Vecer newspaper writes on Saturday. At the presence of all Albanian ministers, MPs of the Democratic Union for Integration, and guest from Albania and Kosovo, Ahmeti announced the Museum of Freedom (more popular as the National Liberation Army Museum) officially open. The ceremony was held on the Day of the Albanian Flag. Earlier, Ahmeti and Albanian historians took part in a celebration at the Albanian theatre in Skopje. FOCUS News Agency reminds: the National Liberation Army was closed down after the signing of an agreement, which put an end to the conflicts in Monkeydonjia in 2001. The National Liberation Army was transformed into a political party. Its leader Ali Ahmeti is now at the helm of the biggest party of the ethnic Albanians in FYRoM.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 6, 2008 0:52:48 GMT -5
I agree that the country needs to be named something else other than *Macedonia*, even if the region is called Bulgaria (historically incorrect), will solve this disaster once and for all.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Dec 6, 2008 6:34:36 GMT -5
idiot... no lets call it Vojvodina.
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Post by ioan on Dec 6, 2008 13:37:17 GMT -5
novi its correct to call fyrom bulgaria and u know it. get over the fact those people are Bulgarians and deffinately NOT sebs.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 6, 2008 13:45:11 GMT -5
Why don't you both take a part of this illusive state? Albos can take too. We don't want anything, just one town...
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Post by kapetan on Dec 6, 2008 13:53:00 GMT -5
Those people are not Bulgarians. Even Bulgarians are not just Bulgarians whatever a Bulgarian is lolz
Everyone is jus land grabbing it's classic balkan bullshit.
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 6, 2008 14:07:33 GMT -5
Their name should remain "Macedonia". I find especially ironic that Greeks OF ALL PEOPLE, complaining that Slavs cant be Macedonians because they dont have links to Ancient Macedonia. Gee, that reminds me a lot of how Vlachs, Arvanites, and Slavs can have a Greek identity although they dont have any links to Ancient Greece and there's no problem with that, but when a Slav calls themself Macedonian all hell breaks loose.
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 6, 2008 14:29:41 GMT -5
You forgot something dude. Vlachs are still Vlachs, Arvanites are still Arvanites! Even if they are considered Greeks.... a Vlach still says "I'm a Vlach". An Arvaniti says "I'm an Arvaniti". Do you know why nobodys reacts? BECAUSE THEY ARE WHAT THEY DECLARE THEY ARE. They say the trouth about themselves. Is this the same with Fyromians?! If Vlachs were declaring they're Bavarians... then yes we would have a problem. If Arvanites were declaring they're Andalousians... then yes we would have a problem. Now Fyromians (Slavs) declare they're Macedonians.... then yes.. now we have a problem.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 6, 2008 15:09:42 GMT -5
No theyre not. Plenty of Vlachs are now Bosnian Serbs. Vlachs have been assimilated into others all over the Balkan. But yes there is still people calling themselves Vlach as well.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 6, 2008 15:30:01 GMT -5
Lozon,don't mix up the things. I always call my best buddy ,"ore Arvaniti" because he is one, but I've never thought to consider him anything else than Greek. We both know the history of Arvanites better than the Arnavud internet boulouks... Arvanites and Vlachs are the two groups of people in Greece that made an historic self-evident choise to be part of the Greek nation. Now if Albos can't understand the reality,which is very unpleasant for them its pity...i'm sorry. When an Arvanitis will declare that he is an Alvanos in the way you Albos think, Panachaiki will take the Champion's League...
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 6, 2008 15:35:42 GMT -5
^^^ Good, we dont want them nor like them and this topic has nothing to do with them... people need to stop spinning every topic in these directions...
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 6, 2008 16:40:22 GMT -5
You forgot something dude. Vlachs are still Vlachs, Arvanites are still Arvanites! Even if they are considered Greeks.... a Vlach still says "I'm a Vlach". An Arvaniti says "I'm an Arvaniti". Do you know why nobodys reacts? BECAUSE THEY ARE WHAT THEY DECLARE THEY ARE. They say the trouth about themselves. Is this the same with Fyromians?! If Vlachs were declaring they're Bavarians... then yes we would have a problem. If Arvanites were declaring they're Andalousians... then yes we would have a problem. Now Fyromians (Slavs) declare they're Macedonians.... then yes.. now we have a problem. Those are really stupid analogies. You act as if Balkan Slavs come from Jupiter. They are more similar to Ancient Balkanians than they are to Polish or Russians, so I wouldn't consider it far fetched at all that some chose to call themselves Macedonian. Nope, there is no problem. Macedonian Slavs=Macedonians, thats how I along with most of the World sees them as
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 6, 2008 16:46:36 GMT -5
Lozon,don't mix up the things. I always call my best buddy ,"ore Arvaniti" because he is one, but I've never thought to consider him anything else than Greek. We both know the history of Arvanites better than the Arnavud internet boulouks... Arvanites and Vlachs are the two groups of people in Greece that made an historic self-evident choise to be part of the Greek nation. Now if Albos can't understand the reality,which is very unpleasant for them its pity...i'm sorry. When an Arvanitis will declare that he is an Alvanos in the way you Albos think, Panachaiki will take the Champion's League... This has nothing to do with Arvanites(who decided to be part of an ORTHODOX country ), I didnt say they are Modern Albanians, its just that them, along with Christian Turks, Slavs, and Vlachs have no connections with Ancient Greece, which Modern day Greeks consider themselves to be direct descendants of, yet they are still considered Greeks. I know the fact that Albanians and Romanians gave your country independence hurts, but you can't change that.
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Post by greek1234 on Dec 6, 2008 20:00:13 GMT -5
Dardania or Skopjia sound fair to me. As long as it has nothing to do with the name Macedonia which is rightfully Greek. If this does not happen the nation should be partitioned to Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria.
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Post by greek1234 on Dec 6, 2008 20:10:01 GMT -5
To Lozonjare.
Your comments are stupid and pathetic in the eyes of me and Patrinos. We both come from the Peloponnisos. That's where the Greek Primates of Morea swore to Saint Laura for the freedom of the Greeks. We the Greeks fought for our freedom the Greek Klephts of the Peloponnisos did all of the fighting. The Arvanites and Vlachs contributed also to the fighting (The Vlachs with money and the half breed Arvanites much later on in Northern Greece) but nothing compared to the Greeks. By the way our Vlachs and Arvanites have partial Greek ancestry and do not consider themselves as Albanian or Romanian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 6, 2008 20:42:22 GMT -5
"novi its correct to call fyrom bulgaria and u know it. get over the fact those people are Bulgarians and deffinately NOT sebs."
I'm not going to get into a historical debate here on the Greek forum with you, l'll do that in vardar forum. I said this because aleast they will be technically named after a Slavic people, 'Bulgars' than the 100% wrong hellenic name Macedonia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 6, 2008 20:45:22 GMT -5
"No theyre not. Plenty of Vlachs are now Bosnian Serbs. Vlachs have been assimilated into others all over the Balkan. But yes there is still people calling themselves Vlach as well." .....believe what you want but that is 100% wrong.....
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Post by rusebg on Dec 7, 2008 4:05:53 GMT -5
My God, we have the new Herodotus here...appearing in the shape of a Bosnian poster, a nation the only clear thing about is its religion.
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Post by diurpaneus on Dec 7, 2008 4:32:56 GMT -5
My God, we have the new Herodotus here...appearing in the shape of a Bosnian poster, a nation the only clear thing about is its religion. Seid’s freindlich! Seid’s freindlich hob I gsagt ! Seid’s freindlich hob I gsagt no amoi –jawoi!!!
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 7, 2008 14:24:47 GMT -5
Dardania should be the name, until Kosova takes it back
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