I'm not defending Lloyd-George at all, I'm trying to keep the historical record straight.
Lloyd-George wanted to see the Ottoman Empire dismembered. He did not seek to reduce the Turkish population per se. Nor is it accurate to portray either the Irish or the two Bengal famines as deliberate population reduction. It may not have mattered to those who died of hunger in Bengal and Ireland that they perished as a result of British callousness and ideological commitment to free trade, rather than as victims of a deliberate policy of extermination, but it should matter to us if we want to draw the lessons of history.
There have been very few attempts to reduce population
as an end in itself during modern times. The campaigns against the Armenians, organized by CUP officials, and the Nazi campaign against Jews and Gypsies are unique
not in their effects but in their intent. Some of the French actions in Algeria during the initial colonisation, the Germans' extermination of the Herero in Namibia (
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4623516.stm ) and the Tasmanian massacres were all genocidal in effect, but that was
not the primary objective.
The pursuit of racial or national homogeneity for its own sake is not that common as a reason for mass murder.. Mostly, when people are murdered in their millions, it's so that a few individuals can stay in power or so that a section of the population can get rich.
Sorry mister.
Historical facts clearly reveal everything far better than your justification efforts. You say that he wanted to see the "Ottoman Empire dismembered", do you really understand what this means? I do not think that you do. However, if one recalls how the Ottoman Empire was dismembered in Crimea, Balkans and Caucasus, then one might have some idea.
Nevertheless, you are trying to reduce the context and the boundaries of the Western Crimes and the related fascist mindset. In the meantime, you try to hyperbolize the Turkish response to ongoing genocides by drawing comparison with "the worst crime" ever committed so far.
I do not think that you can justify Western/European/Christian crimes by creating a "Turkish Crime" for counterbalancing the distorted human psyche of your own world, and in that sense, you can not accuse someone with "a planned murder" after having witnessed a gang breaking into his/her house and killing his/her family members.
Interestingly, you do dismiss the vengeance campaign targeted the Germans after the WWII, even though the Armenian case more fits into this one rather than anything related to the genocides executed by the NAZIs or other fascist European states.
Most importantly, it is quite strange that you attempt to omit the deliberate massacre of millions of Crimean Tatars, Circassians, Chechens, Bosnians, Albanians, and Balkan Turks as if those genocidal campaigns targeted the aliens from Mars.
In my opinion, if you were right about your very funny claims, then there would not have been some 6 million emigrants arrived to Turkey between 1783-1923, and there would not have been more than 6-12 million Ottoman Muslims who were killed during same period, and there would not have been numerous genocides committed by the Western/European/Christian Powers over the last several centuries (even today, the same mindset prevails as witnessed in Iraq, Rwanda, Bosnia and Chechnya), and there would not have been hundreds of millions perished to the "civilized policies" of the culture that you are so proud of.
Finally, comparing the NAZI crimes with the expulsion of the Armenian is a very pathetic attempt. If the intention was the same, how could be so many Armenians safely deported to the other countries? How could be so many Armenians existed in Turkey after the war? How could be some 95.000 Armenians converted to Islam if the intend was unique like the NAZI case? Moreover, I would like you to enlighten us as whether there was a single Jew who evaded NAZI prosecution by converting to Christianity as confirmed by the NAZIs.
www.ttk.org.tr/templates/resimler/Image/ErmeniArsivBelgeler/belge4.jpgThe copy of the document is too big to publish here. So fell free to use the link if you wish to confirm the below given numbers:
Armenian Refuges emigrated safely: 817.783
Armenians Converted to Islam: 95.000
Remaining Armenians in Istanbul: 150.000 Armenians
Remaining Armenians in Asia Minor: 131.000 Armenians
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Total : 1.193.783 Armenians
The report also reveals a total of 3.004.000 Armenians worldwide as of 1921.
On top of those, please not that if we talk about the Armenians, then we should also assess the Hemshin Armenians who are the Muslims and who are never prosecuted by Turkey, but prosecuted by Russia together with their Meskhetian Turk neighbors. Please explain us how this could happen if the Ottoman's policies were "quite unique" like the NAZI ones?
www.mideasti.org/summary/pipelines-and-homelands-meskhetian-turksNevertheless, I think you are b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t.i.n.g like some of those western scholars who mostly devote their energies in distorting the historical truth on colonial genocides, omitting the impact (of colonial plundering campaigns) on today's contrast between the West and the Third World, finding entities that could be blamed instead, and inflating the some misdeeds as "genocides" in order to satisfy the weird mentality ruling their world.
As Yahac also stressed, Guantanamo Bay is a good example how your culture could experience democracy and fascism (extremism) in the same time. You could restrict the basic human rights of the people who are suspected of terrorism whilst you could invade a foreign country based upon some falsifications, in that country you invade, you could kill hundreds of thousands of people deliberately, in the meantime, you could try to convince us to believe in "your version" of history written in your parliaments. Ironically, "those humanitarian parliaments" could be the same parliaments which also support the extermination of campaigns of hundreds of thousands of civilians or the existence of "modern concentration camps".
I honestly do not think that Turkish people will ever agree on such nonsense that you also promote in this thread. Of course, you could promote what ever you wish, but do not forget that such distorted logical patterns ultimately alienate the Western societies from the rest of the world.