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Post by fazlinho on May 19, 2009 2:52:15 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, your claim that he is an islamic extremist really is laughable so it wouldn't surprise me if you did.
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Post by soko on May 19, 2009 9:59:25 GMT -5
As much as an evil political Islam, in how ever a soft form is. It is still obvious that the greatest danger to the western Balkans is orthodox fundamentalism. Muslims in the EXYU are so greatly outnumbered that any extremism on their behalf is irrelevant to the development of the Balkans. If it had not been for orthodox-fundamentalism making a reappearance in the late 80ties, no matter if there had also been large support for political Islam among Muslims, both Serbia and Bosnia probably wouldn't have been third world today. Not saying us Bosniaks are nice or innocent or less evil, just saying that there are so few of us, that you Pravoslavci can blame your selfs for the mess we are in now. I'm sure that once most of you guys stop supporting orthodox fundamentalism all of the exyu will again be a nice place to live LOL, Orthodoxy must be one of the least interfering religions. One of those bosniak statements that could be funny if it wasn't so warped. Honestly how can us Serbs ever live with people like this when we believe two fundamentally opposite things? Why do you want to force us to live with you in such a dysfunctional massive fail of a country? Can’t you see you’re just pushing a false agenda of unification. Islam shouldn't even be in the Balkans in the first place. hey mate.. orthodoxy also has no place in the balkans, no religion does. I'm not denying that political Islam, or religion at all is an evil. I am just saying that given that there are far more orthodox people in the exyu, orthodox fundamentalism has posed a much greater threat to development, stability, brotherhood and unity, standard of life and human rights in the EXYU then Islam. Orthodox fundamentalism was the main catalyst for the destruction of the SFRJ, and is to this day the greatest reason for the bad situation in the former Yugoslavia. I am confident that when the majority of Serbs see the error of their support for this ideology of hate, things will soon return to normal, and we will all enjoy good quality of life, development, love, science and brotherhood and unity amongst all the south slavic peoples
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on May 19, 2009 22:42:16 GMT -5
Well the only way to share that perspective is to be an athiest, but since the end of communism the majority of people no longer hold that belief which would put your airy fairy opinion in a small unproductive minority. The underlying religious beliefs of our ethnicities are different. Not just religiously but perhaps significantly even moreso historically. Serbs will always see you as poturice. If you want to take the position that no religion belongs in the Balkans you should at least be able to recognize that Christianity has far MORE belonging in the Balkans than any other of the Abrahamic religions. Even amongst the most pacifist Serbs, Islam is held with the utmost contempt. The best Bosniak’s can do & the tactic they always play such as your self is to play it down. Either that or you get the ones like tito who go along with Islam in the stereotypical ways it’s known for. And listening to you talk about “Orthodox fundamentalism” just sounds ridiculous to me. I don’t think any people in the Balkans are religious fundamentalists for a start. Some Bosniak elements seem to be getting that way recently but overall it’s not the case. The 90’s war was fought amongst our people when they were the product of the most atheist communist system they’d ever had.
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Post by srbobran on May 19, 2009 22:56:23 GMT -5
Exaactly and that's why they'll never want to return to being Serbian. Honestly, what difference does religion make in determining one's ethnicity. It shouldn't because most people in ex YU are very nonreligious in the first place. Why can't we be like the Albanians have people of all three different faiths recognize they are ONE PEOPLE.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on May 19, 2009 23:20:54 GMT -5
Exaactly and that's why they'll never want to return to being Serbian. Honestly, what difference does religion make in determining one's ethnicity. It shouldn't because most people in ex YU are very nonreligious in the first place. Why can't we be like the Albanians have people of all three different faiths recognize they are ONE PEOPLE. Um religion makes a huge difference. Particularly in the Balkans where it pretty much is the main factor in defining ethnicity. A Muslim in CrnaGora, Sandzak or wherever is ethnically Bosniak. A Serbian Orthodox wherever he is, is ethnically Serbian. Maybe not for a communist Yugoslav oriented person who does not practice slava such as your self. What you are saying is that we should all be Yugoslavs. f**king stupid.
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Post by tito on May 19, 2009 23:34:15 GMT -5
Honestly, what difference does religion make in determining one's ethnicity. For Serbian expansionist who still today dream about expanding Serbia’s borders west of the Drina river it means everything since they wouldn’t have any followers in Bosnia without the deliberate equalization of orthodox christian religion and the so called "serb" ethnicity in Bosnia.
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Post by fazlinho on May 20, 2009 3:28:08 GMT -5
Exaactly and that's why they'll never want to return to being Serbian. Honestly, what difference does religion make in determining one's ethnicity. It shouldn't because most people in ex YU are very nonreligious in the first place. Why can't we be like the Albanians have people of all three different faiths recognize they are ONE PEOPLE. How can I return to being something I never was? If people here can't understand that each ethnicity was heavily influenced by each one's religion, he didn't understand anything about ex yu. As for our cases, one's ethnicity is not something separated by religion and tradition (it doesn't mean someone has to be religious or can't be atheist though). You think I wouldn't like it if people didn't start to identify with religion? hell I would but I have to accept the unfortunate consequences of that process. and we'll always see you as vlaši and posrbice. It goes both ways. And the treath of orthodox fundamentalism is really clear to us, you don't have to explain it or laugh at anything.
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Post by soko on May 20, 2009 8:42:10 GMT -5
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on May 20, 2009 21:15:57 GMT -5
and we'll always see you as vlaši and posrbice. It goes both ways. And the treath of orthodox fundamentalism is really clear to us, you don't have to explain it or laugh at anything. lol at posrbice. Serbs never came and invaded Bosnia like the Turks did. Our language, culture, religion and ethnicity actually developed and spread through the Balkans. It precedes the Bosniak ethnicity. You had names like Tvrtko, Vuk, Milos, Stefan, Boris before you picked up ridiculous Arabic names and the Islamic religion so poturice is a far more appropriate term to use on Bosniaks.
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Post by fazlinho on May 21, 2009 6:50:07 GMT -5
lol at posrbice. Serbs never came and invaded Bosnia like the Turks did. You must really be an idiot or have no knowledge of history if you think slavs popped out of nowhere in the Balkans. We all slavs indeed invaded the Balkans there's no person on earth who denies this. As did Bosniak language culture and religion, I don't get it. Oh, before you tell me "we have the orthodox serb church" I assume no Serb was a true Serb before it's establishment by saint Sava ? The fact that you claim ordinary christian names as Serb is really funny lol it remembers me Basagic's song when he talks about "Serbianizing the whole world"... I guess my friend Stefano here in Italy must be a real chetnik. And rofl Tvrtko a Serb name when no Serb ever had it, as a matter of fact you never see that name outside of Bosnia. As we are on names, a Bosniak version of Stefan was Stjepan (Stjepan Kotromanic for an examlpe) (you can now claim that name as Serb too ;D) Speaking of him, comes to my mind his charter, tell me if I understood right Serblogic (which is a different concept than logic itself) Now I won't really talk about the fact no Serb and only Bosniaks are mentioned but tell me, Vukosav, Stjepko, Budisav, Mioten, Pribisav, Ivahan, Cheonih, Divosh, Gojsav, Branosh, Stanac, Priboje (lest forget Tvrtko and Prijezda) are common old Serbian names it's just by accident that no person outside Bosnia ever used those names? Gotta love serblogic ;D and than you wonder why people laugh at your theories.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on May 21, 2009 20:02:50 GMT -5
I've noticed you often like to make up false assumptions. You like to bark up the wrong tree if you will. Obviously Tvrtko is not a Serbian name. The whole point of putting it in there is to say that it's not all Serbian or slav names that you Turkified yourselves from. Der.
Slavs invading the Balkans? You sound like an Albanian. Once again there is FA evidence of much of a structured or homogenous civilization existing before slavs arrived. If you think it's comparable to the Turkish invassion then you're just being silly.
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Post by fazlinho on May 22, 2009 3:01:50 GMT -5
I've noticed you often like to make up false assumptions. You like to bark up the wrong tree if you will. Obviously Tvrtko is not a Serbian name. The whole point of putting it in there is to say that it's not all Serbian or slav names that you Turkified yourselves from. Der. Are you Seriously claiming Stefan, Jovan, Marko, are Slavic names? I mean, seriously? If you want to say they are Slavized versions of Greek and Hebrew names, I agree, so are all Bosniak names, in no other parts of the world do people spell them like we do. We also have an unique Bosniak feature of masculizing feminine names (like Vedad (spelled like weedaad in the rest of the muslim world) Jasmina (spelled like Yaasmiina in the rest of the world). Which are just two exemples. We Bosniakized Turkish, Persian and Arabic names as you Serbianized Greek and Hebrew names. I'm just saying historical facts and it's silly seeing you making all this big fuss about the term "invasion". I'm a slav but I have no problems calling it with it's name. No, the invasion of Slavs wasn't the same of Turks because of obvious different historical reasons. The existance of some sort of settlements, yet by no means much developed settlements is indeed well documented. The fact that you think admitting this somehow gives Albanians some kind of claim to all our lands is IMHO paranoid and not in touch with reality (also given by the fact that slavs intermixed with the indigenous population).
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Post by bob1389 on May 22, 2009 21:21:35 GMT -5
The only way to appease Islam is to destroy it at its core.
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Post by Novus Dis on May 23, 2009 2:58:13 GMT -5
Nuke Mecca?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on May 23, 2009 7:32:38 GMT -5
I've noticed you often like to make up false assumptions. You like to bark up the wrong tree if you will. Obviously Tvrtko is not a Serbian name. The whole point of putting it in there is to say that it's not all Serbian or slav names that you Turkified yourselves from. Der. Are you Seriously claiming Stefan, Jovan, Marko, are Slavic names? I mean, seriously? If you want to say they are Slavized versions of Greek and Hebrew names, I agree, so are all Bosniak names, in no other parts of the world do people spell them like we do. We also have an unique Bosniak feature of masculizing feminine names (like Vedad (spelled like weedaad in the rest of the muslim world) Jasmina (spelled like Yaasmiina in the rest of the world). Which are just two exemples. We Bosniakized Turkish, Persian and Arabic names as you Serbianized Greek and Hebrew names. I'm just saying historical facts and it's silly seeing you making all this big fuss about the term "invasion". I'm a slav but I have no problems calling it with it's name. No, the invasion of Slavs wasn't the same of Turks because of obvious different historical reasons. The existance of some sort of settlements, yet by no means much developed settlements is indeed well documented. The fact that you think admitting this somehow gives Albanians some kind of claim to all our lands is IMHO paranoid and not in touch with reality (also given by the fact that slavs intermixed with the indigenous population). Well Jovan is a specifically Serb name. The rest you mentioned may not be slavic but they are still names commonly used by Serbs and can rightfully be associated with Serbian culture & ethnicity moreso than Bosniak. Christianizing ourselves from paganism due primarily to the noble efforts of Ciril & Methodius is not the same as Izlamicising & Turkifying yourselves from a much more foreign invader when you already were of an Abrahamic religion. It's only possible that Alija could discover that he was Ilija. Not the other way around. No chance in hell you can appease islam to us... I can't make much sense of some of teh other stuff you wrote.
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Post by fazlinho on May 23, 2009 8:43:22 GMT -5
So is Vedad for an example a specific Bosniak name.
Who ever claimed they are Bosniak names nowadays?? not me.
The nobliness of something is your subjective view only you can't possibly think we share.
...and?
I'd like to see who tried to appease it to you??? We don't really give a crap if you are close minded, never did , never will. We live in a free world where people can think what they want.
oh well
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