Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 6:43:19 GMT -5
^I was being sarcastic skoro, you should have known that. Another shiba for u :-)
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 30, 2008 6:43:31 GMT -5
I thought it was sad how quickly that word Genocide is thrown around now, look at South Ossetia, when they claimed the Georgians were committing Genocide. Ethnic cleansing yes, War crimes more then likely, genocide no. Then Georgians started claiming the same shit...I don't see any U.S troops in DArfur yet
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Trazi Vise
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Today's "church" has NOTHING to do with religion.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 6:54:58 GMT -5
^^^There is no money in Darfur, just like there was no money in Bosnia :-)
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Post by fazlinho on Dec 30, 2008 7:36:36 GMT -5
lol just live in your dream state of denial, you can have your Bosnian state but don't deny what people are just because you believe in your propaganda. Can I ask any Bosnian here where King Tomislav was born, what he identified himself as and which kingdom he presided over? Usually I get a silent reponse from Bosnians when I ask this. It's like asking the Jews to dennounce who they are and to give up their historical lands. Where he was born no one knows, he identified himself as a Croat and presided over the Croatian kingdom. ...and? I don't see why Bosniaks would keep silent about this.
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Trazi Vise
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Today's "church" has NOTHING to do with religion.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 8:00:08 GMT -5
^^^I dunno why either, but they keep silent cause they can't answer me because it goes beyong what propaganda they know about Bosnia. I'm glad you tried to answer me, hvala :-)
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 30, 2008 8:01:29 GMT -5
You are all Serbs deep down so stop your yapping
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Post by karabin on Dec 30, 2008 8:03:35 GMT -5
I thought it was sad how quickly that word Genocide is thrown around now, look at South Ossetia, when they claimed the Georgians were committing Genocide. Ethnic cleansing yes, War crimes more then likely, genocide no. Then Georgians started claiming the same s**t...I don't see any U.S troops in DArfur yet Nice observation and it had come to my attention as well. It is rather simple, the yanks tend to throw around these heavy words: Genocide, war crime, terrorist, humanitarian crisis....etc whenever it suits their agenda. They believe that all you need to do is throw around those words and your own crime is instantly justified. It takes someone a micron of a brain to see how the West only intervenes where it is politically/strategically and financial applicable. Makes one wonder why NATO is not intervening in Africa when there more than anywhere else in the world they have more reasons and/or justifications to do so. Your Darfur example makes therefore perfect sense. People in Africa get slaughtered on a daily basis yet no one seems to give a s**t about. Now in terms of Russia, they have adopted this same "strategy" that the west has been using for the last decade or so. Reason behind that is that it has shown that all you really need to do is yell out: Genocide, War crime and you are perfectly fine to go ahead and flatten the other country. As I have said it before, the world moral appears to be at an all time low, as decades long US/Israel and recent Russian actions have shown.
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CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 30, 2008 8:10:23 GMT -5
No he should have expanded the Bosnian coast from Neum to Split, since that area historically belonged to Bosnia longer then Croatia.
Yet the Croat flag still flies there today (Neum i mean), just like it did decades and centuries before that. Thats gotta hurt.
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 12:33:49 GMT -5
Yet the Croat flag still flies there today (Neum i mean), just like it did decades and centuries before that. Thats gotta hurt. Probably not half as much as it obviously hurts you guys to know that it’s never going to be a part of Croatia
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Post by manijak on Dec 30, 2008 12:46:19 GMT -5
I would be for three entities that are named based on geography. That way, if you push a lot of the govt. functions to those entity or regions level, naturally, there will be some control for that specific ethnic group. But at the state level, everything is smooth. And furthermore, since there is no ethnic names, no ethnic blocks on that level, there can not be a question of separation.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 30, 2008 12:54:43 GMT -5
Neum ko Brcko distrikt.. hrvatsko u bosni... Brcko=srpsko u bosni
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 12:55:51 GMT -5
I would be for three entities that are named based on geography. That way, if you push a lot of the govt. functions to those entity or regions level, naturally, there will be some control for that specific ethnic group.Think again.
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 12:59:21 GMT -5
Neum ko Brcko distrikt.. hrvatsko u bosni... Brcko=srpsko u bosni Katolici su vecina u Neumu, krivoslavci nisu vecina u Brckom.
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Post by manijak on Dec 30, 2008 13:02:38 GMT -5
I would be for three entities that are named based on geography. That way, if you push a lot of the govt. functions to those entity or regions level, naturally, there will be some control for that specific ethnic group.Think again. I live in Canada. I live in an area that is Liberal. Thankfully, I get the member of parliament I want in because my area is Liberal. There are many Conservatives here though and they never get their guy in. Same type of thing for the mayor of my city. Majorities will always rule in some way. None of that is an issue though if you have a normal, functioning political system, that respects, in the CONSTITUTION, individual rights, and makes no distinction between any people. Hell, Sarajevo muslims people have different views on many issues on Bosnia than Krajina muslims. What we need is a system that makes no distinction between people, and freedom to live anywhere, but you will never stop majorities based on things you don't like.
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 13:21:10 GMT -5
Majorities will always rule in some way. The majority in BiH will not accept any kind of "3rd entity" other then the Brcko District of Bosnia and Hercegovina. The majority in BiH wants to liberate BiH from ethnic divisions and create a citizens state where ethnicity and religion wont matter no matter in what part of the country citizens of BiH choose to live. The majority in BiH believes that this goal will not be achieved by creating a new Ustasha republic of Herceg-Bosna or what ever you choose to call it. The majority in BiH believes that 5-6 economic regions is the best way for achieving the goal. The majority in BiH will achieve it’s goal as the democratization of BiH continues no matter what the cetnik and ustasha separatists think.
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Post by tito on Dec 30, 2008 16:48:30 GMT -5
Can I ask any Bosnian here where King Tomislav was born, what he identified himself as and which kingdom he presided over? Not even the Croatian historians have been able to agree on the answers to those question since there exists NO original texts about the guy from the time he actually lived (IF he even existed!). The sad thing is that you don’t care about facts, just like in the case of your grandmothers last name: BOSNJAK!
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 30, 2008 22:11:47 GMT -5
^^^You're posts are good therapy for me, I'm laughing 24/7. FYI my baka is not a "Bosnjak" for the 100th time, her sister married one.
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 30, 2008 23:42:21 GMT -5
I live in Canada. I live in an area that is Liberal. Thankfully, I get the member of parliament I want in because my area is Liberal. There are many Conservatives here though and they never get their guy in. Same type of thing for the mayor of my city.Shit, your Conservatives are more like the Democrats here in the states, the Conservatives here make me wish we had your conservatives
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MiG
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Post by MiG on Dec 31, 2008 1:17:53 GMT -5
^ LOL!
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