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Post by maksimir on Dec 14, 2008 12:23:53 GMT -5
i'll post it tonight.(have to go for now) I already know its true since i've done it before for another debate. yeah right.. Just GOOGLE like hell know!! So much for those fameus bosniaks when u even cant name 5 of them.. Even I can name 3 very easily, Susic, Bazdarevic and Halihodzic
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Post by manijak on Dec 14, 2008 12:28:54 GMT -5
Who said to name then?
I couldn't find my old post, its a long long post, because it looks at different world cup events and euro events, and adds up how many Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes and Macedonians there are. That's a lot of work, I don't remember the numbers of the top of my head.
Here is just one, the latest before the break-up of yugoslavia:
Full squad and what nationality they are: 1 Ivkovic (Croat) 2 Stanojkovic (Macedonian) 3 Spasic (Serbian) 4 Vulic (Croatian) 5 Hadzibegic (Bosniak) 6 Jozic (Croat) 7 Brnovic (Croat) 8 Susic (Bosniak) - 9 Pancev (Macedonian) 10 Stojkovic (Serbian) - 11 Vujovic (Croat) 12 Omerovic (Bosniak) 13 Katanec (Slovenian) 14 Boksic (Croat) 15 Prosinecki (Croat) 16 Šabanadžović (Bosniak) 17 Jarni (Croat) 18 Baljic (Bosniak) 19 Savicevic ((Montengro) 20 Suker (Croat) 21 Panadic (Croat) 22 Lekovic (Serbian)
Tally: Croat: 10 Serb: 4 or (5) if you count Montenegro as Serbian Bosniak: 5 (6) if Bazdarevic was not suspended Slovenian: 1 Macedonian: 2
Bazdarevic was supposed to be here as well, he is Bosniak, that would make it 6 for Bosniaks, more than Serbs, but he was suspended, and you guys remember why. That is the only reason he wasn't there.
You will see a similar thing like this all over when you look at different WC and EC events, except, Croats will be a bit less, and Serbs and Bosniaks will be a bit more. Slovenians and Macedonians being very low all the time.
Susic , Bazdarevic were amazing during that particular time. Though most of them were near the end of their careers during the 1990 WC. Baljic was amazing as well.
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Post by manijak on Dec 14, 2008 12:48:31 GMT -5
Can't find the 1988 Euro which was right before that, but found 1984 EURO team:
1. Simovic (Serbia) 2. N.Stojkovic (Serbia) 3. Baljic (Bosniak) 4. Katanec (Slovenia) 5. Zajec (Croat) 6. Radanovic (Serbia) 7. Sestic (Serbia) 8. Gudelj (croat) 9. Susic (Bosniak) 10. Bazdarevic (Bosniak) 11. Vujovic (Croat) 12. Ivkovic (Croat) 13. Hadzibegic (Bosniak) 14. Elsner (Slovenia) 15. Miljus (Serb) 16. D.Stojkovic (Serb) 17. Cop (Croat) 18. Deveric (Croat) 19. Halilovic (Bosniak) 20. Cvetkovic (Croat)
Tally: Croat: 7 Serb: 6 Bosnia: 5 Slovenia: 2 Macedonian: 0
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 14, 2008 12:57:54 GMT -5
and how many of them are still rememberd in any sport? The bosniaks i didnt even know about.. The croats and serb names are far more recognized
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Post by srbobran on Dec 14, 2008 13:03:06 GMT -5
That's kinda not true considering we were bombed for three months by the world's great superpowers and were under total economic sanctions for 10 years.
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Post by manijak on Dec 14, 2008 13:15:52 GMT -5
and how many of them are still rememberd in any sport? The bosniaks i didnt even know about.. The croats and serb names are far more recognized we are all a little young, but your father should know. many of us were born in the early 80's, late 70's. Susic, Bazdarevic, Halihodzic, Dzemal Hadziabdic, Mirsad Baljic, Enver Maric, Vahidin Musemic, Asim Ferhatovic. If you go back through the early 90's, 80's, 70's, they were big parts of those teams. Those are just some. But overall, there was always a good group of Bosniaks as part of the teams and this is with mainly Serb/Croat coaches. And you see very few Slovenians and Macedonians. And this is with Bosniaks being much less in population. Bosnia as a whole produced the most talent out of anywhere, not looking at ethnicity. You had some great players from Serbia and Croatia, but from Bosnia, loads and loads. Guys like Ivica Osim and Josip Katalinski, and just a huge quantity when you look at the lists.
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Post by Boško Buha on Dec 14, 2008 14:02:34 GMT -5
Support Croatia like this guy
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Post by bog on Dec 14, 2008 14:06:49 GMT -5
1 in 3 niggers likes croatia
couse of eduardo
anyways bosanci moji, ajmo raditi sklekove!!!
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Post by sweetnugs on Dec 14, 2008 16:25:52 GMT -5
and how many of them are still rememberd in any sport? The bosniaks i didnt even know about.. The croats and serb names are far more recognized we are all a little young, but your father should know. many of us were born in the early 80's, late 70's. Susic, Bazdarevic, Halihodzic, Dzemal Hadziabdic, Mirsad Baljic, Enver Maric, Vahidin Musemic, Asim Ferhatovic. If you go back through the early 90's, 80's, 70's, they were big parts of those teams. Those are just some. But overall, there was always a good group of Bosniaks as part of the teams and this is with mainly Serb/Croat coaches. And you see very few Slovenians and Macedonians. And this is with Bosniaks being much less in population. Bosnia as a whole produced the most talent out of anywhere, not looking at ethnicity. You had some great players from Serbia and Croatia, but from Bosnia, loads and loads. Guys like Ivica Osim and Josip Katalinski, and just a huge quantity when you look at the lists. Seriously Dario.. you never heard of Safet "Pape" Susic? Bazdarevic, Ferhatovic? I don't see how that is if you followed anything about Yugo football before the war. As it was said before, if you dont, your father surely does.
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Post by sweetnugs on Dec 14, 2008 16:27:48 GMT -5
Sušic was capped 54 times, scoring 21 goals for the Yugoslav national team, between 1977 and 1990. He transferred to Red Star Saint-Ouen that is a French club in 1991 and he retired after 1991-92 season.
He also played for Yugoslavia at the España 82, Euro 84 and Italia 90 tournaments.
In 2004, to celebrate UEFA's Jubilee, he was selected as the Golden Player of Bosnia and Herzegovina by the Football Association of Bosnia and Herzegovina as their most outstanding player of the past 50 years.
"If you were to rank Safet Susic with the all time greats you would have to put him in at least the top 40," Gerd Muller (probably the greatest goal scorer in the history of soccer) said.
"It's well known how much I valued and still do value Safet Sušic. For me he's unsurpassable, the best Yugoslavia had. Probably one of the best in the world. I was often known to say that us other players should have to pay to play in the same team as Pape. At least I always talked and thought like that. Pape was a treasure for every forward. His crosses were unbelievable. Sometimes his ball would hit me without me even being aware of it. A wonderful player." - Darko Pancev
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Post by zgembo on Dec 14, 2008 16:35:27 GMT -5
Saying Bosniaks were equal to Serbs and Croats in football because there were 4-5 good players in one generation is completely misleading. Montenegro today could easily have 3 players on a united Yugoslav team (Vucinic, Vukcevic, Burzanovic), but that doesn't mean Montenegro is on par with the other former republics, or even close to them. No other Montenegrin would make a B team of 2nd selections, and it would probably be the same with Bosniaks. Serbs and Croats had a depth of good players, and even today a lot of good ones (who would be starters on other frm. YU teams) can't make the cut.
Football, and sports in general, are products of wealth, population and player development (through teams). Serbia and Croatia were simply ahead of others there. They were the two biggest republics with the two largest populations and they had the 4 teams (Zvezda, Partizan, Dinamo & Hajduk) that dominated the national league.
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Post by fazlinho on Dec 14, 2008 16:43:13 GMT -5
I doubt people are saying how they'd be on par, people are saying how, taken the smaller size of Bosnia, taken the very low percentage of Bosniaks in Yugo, they still managed to give a well bigger percentage of players to Yugoslavia.
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Post by maksimir on Dec 14, 2008 18:17:54 GMT -5
Saying Bosniaks were equal to Serbs and Croats in football because there were 4-5 good players in one generation is completely misleading. Saying that Serbs are equal to Croats is also incorrect. What have you accomplished after Croatia left Yugo, almost nothing, you are in the same position as BiH you can't even qualify to a tournament. Croatian players were always the best in the Yugoslavian and if you look at how the rest of the countries are doing you will see that I'm right. Yugoslavia was always in the top 10 of the rankings now Croatia is always in the top 10, where is Serbia?
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Post by manijak on Dec 14, 2008 18:36:45 GMT -5
Talk to any neutral person, BIH was the talent factory. (not Serbia or Croatia) And of course I mean including all the ethnicities that were produced in BIH. (players born there)
But yeah, if you read my post, I said for such a small pop. Bosniaks produced quiet a bit more players than Slovenia and Macedonia, on par with the Serbs and Croats, though during some years our quality was a bit less. But when 5-6 Bosniaks get selected, and its a Serb or Croat coach, and the federation is dominated by those ethnicities, they aren't calling these guys for any other reason then they are very talented.
During the 80's, as cheero posted, many people though Susic was the best player around. And some of you don't know even who he is. I mean, that is the type of bias.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 14, 2008 18:40:41 GMT -5
Saying Bosniaks were equal to Serbs and Croats in football because there were 4-5 good players in one generation is completely misleading. Saying that Serbs are equal to Croats is also incorrect. What have you accomplished after Croatia left Yugo, almost nothing, you are in the same position as BiH you can't even qualify to a tournament. Croatian players were always the best in the Yugoslavian and if you look at how the rest of the countries are doing you will see that I'm right. Yugoslavia was always in the top 10 of the rankings now Croatia is always in the top 10, where is Serbia? Serbian Basketball since breakup of yugoslaviaWorld championchipsAppearences - 3 Medals - Gold=1998,2002 EurobasketAppearences - 7 Medals - Gold=1995,1997,2001 Bronze=1999 Olympic gamesappearences - 3 Medals - Silver=1996 Serbian Waterpolo / without MontenegroFINA World LeagueAppearences - 2 Medals - Gold=2007,2008 European ChampionshipAppearences - 2 Medals - Gold=2006, Silver=2008 And many more with Montenegro Serbian Soccer since breakup of yugoslaviaFIFA code SRB FIFA ranking 30 Not any medals, they were the best at 1998.. But have many good players. Serbian tennisNovak DjokovicCareer record: 185 - 68 Career titles: 11 Highest ranking: No. 3 (July 9 2007) Grand Slam resultsAustralian Open W (2008) French Open SF (2007, 2008) Wimbledon SF (2007) US Open F (2007) Major tournamentsMasters Cup W (2008) Olympic Games Image: Bronze medal icon.svg Bronze Medal (2008) Ana IvanovicCareer record: 213–75 Career titles: 8 WTA, 5 ITF Highest ranking: No. 1 (June 9, 2008) Grand Slam resultsAustralian Open F (2008) French Open W (2008) Wimbledon SF (2007) US Open 4R (2007) Major tournamentsWTA Championships SF (2007) Jelena JankovicCareer record: 330–171 Career titles: 9 WTA, 1 ITF Highest ranking: No. 1 (August 11, 2008) Grand Slam resultsAustralian Open SF (2008) French Open SF (2007, 2008) Wimbledon 4R (2006, 2007, 2008) US Open F (2008) Major tournamentsWTA Championships SF (2008) Olympic Games QF (2008) And many more Serbia in HandballBest Results 1999, 2001 What more would u expect... Not many countrys that have achived that..
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Dec 14, 2008 18:42:45 GMT -5
Talk to any neutral person, BIH was the talent factory. (not Serbia or Croatia) And of course I mean including all the ethnicities that were produced in BIH. (players born there) U are absolutly right there, BIH has produced alot of good players. but the thread is about Bosniaks... Blame it on BOG, But Bosnians Generally are good sportsmen
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Post by manijak on Dec 14, 2008 19:27:19 GMT -5
Talk to any neutral person, BIH was the talent factory. (not Serbia or Croatia) And of course I mean including all the ethnicities that were produced in BIH. (players born there) U are absolutely right there, BIH has produced a lot of good players. but the thread is about Bosniaks... Blame it on BOG, But Bosnians Generally are good sportsmen well, i still stand by my bosniak comment as well. We were quiet amazing for our pop. size and the fact that we didnt have any bosniak coaches or running of the federation
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 14, 2008 19:44:01 GMT -5
Are you retarded? Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Mirza Sarilija (17yrs old getting minutes in Euroleague basketball), Sani Becirovic, Mirza Teletovic (one of the best players in Euroleague, Elemedin Kikanovic, Mirza Begic (possibly best center in Euroleague), Jasmin Hukic, Zoran Planinic (1st round pick NBA draft), Nijad Dedovic, Emir Preldzic, Stanko Barac and so many more. Serbian Darko Milicic 2nd pick NBA draft 23 years old 4 NBA team and one of the stupidest, lazy players in the NBA (no small feat). Ti si Zvezdin Cetnik, Elmedine, Elmedine.... Visina: 210cm Datum roðenja: 1988-09-02 Nacionalnost: BIH He wanted to learn from good coaching and obviously Red Star can offer a better contract than Sloboda Dita Tuzla (although one of the best Serbian basketball players in the last 20 years Sladen Stojakovic has done a great job as GM of the team). Hopefully he won't suffer the same fate of the last great Bosniak to play in Serbia Haris Brkic (murdered in the 1990's and his killer never caught) RIP.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 14, 2008 20:06:48 GMT -5
Saying Bosniaks were equal to Serbs and Croats in football because there were 4-5 good players in one generation is completely misleading. Saying that Serbs are equal to Croats is also incorrect. What have you accomplished after Croatia left Yugo, almost nothing, you are in the same position as BiH you can't even qualify to a tournament. Croatian players were always the best in the Yugoslavian and if you look at how the rest of the countries are doing you will see that I'm right. Yugoslavia was always in the top 10 of the rankings now Croatia is always in the top 10, where is Serbia? Serbia had sporting sanctions for about 4 years when they were the strongest & when Croatia had it’s best achievement. When Croatia finished 3rd at the World Cup in France Serbia wasn’t even allowed to compete. Shortly afterwards when Serbia & Croatia were in the same qualifying group, Serbia qualified. Croatia had the perfect opportunity at home to beat Serbia & go through & they couldn’t do it. Serbia qualified ahead of Croatia when they were in the same group. More on qualifications… Serbia has qualified for the last four European U21 championships and Croatia has qualified for none. Serbia has qualified for the last 2 Olympics & Croatia has qualified for none. Serbia beat Croatia the last time they played each other in qualifications for the European U21 championships. At club level it’s pretty even. Partizan got hammered by Dinamo the first time they played a Croatian team, but then Partizan have beaten two other Croatian teams in European competition since then. Crvena Zvezda beat a Croatian team the first and only time they’ve played a Croatian team since the war. Obilic lost to a Croatian team in European competition once. That’s the club results I can think of. Anyways, Croatia is excellent at football. They were brilliant to watch at the last European Championships. It was unbelievable to see them smash Germany like that & they were big time robbed against Turkey. Serbia are currently in the best position to qualify for the World Cup in South Africa. Personally I hope Croatia & Bosnia qualify as well. Group 5 Team MP W D L GF GA Pts Spain 4 4 0 0 10 1 12 Turkey 4 2 2 0 5 2 8 Belgium 4 2 1 1 7 5 7 Bosnia-Herzegovina 4 2 0 2 12 4 6 Estonia 4 0 1 3 2 13 1 Armenia 4 0 0 4 1 12 0 DetailsAnalysisQuotesMatches Group 6 Team MP W D L GF GA Pts England 4 4 0 0 14 3 12 Croatia 4 2 1 1 8 4 7 Ukraine 3 2 1 0 4 1 7 Belarus 3 1 0 2 4 5 3 Kazakhstan 4 1 0 3 5 11 3 Andorra 4 0 0 4 1 12 0 DetailsAnalysisQuotesMatches Group 7 Team MP W D L GF GA Pts Serbia 4 3 0 1 9 3 9 Lithuania 4 3 0 1 6 3 9 France 3 1 1 1 5 6 4 Austria 4 1 1 2 5 7 4 Romania 3 1 1 1 3 5 4 Faroe Islands 4 0 1 3 1 5 1 DetailsAnalysisQuotesMatches Group 8 Team MP W D L GF GA Pts Italy 4 3 1 0 6 2 10 Ireland Republic 3 2 1 0 3 1 7 Bulgaria 3 0 3 0 2 2 3 Montenegro 3 0 2 1 3 4 2 Georgia 4 0 2 2 2 5 2 Cyprus 3 0 1 2 2 4 1 DetailsAnalysisQuotesMatches Group 9 Team MP W D L GF GA Pts Netherlands 3 3 0 0 5 1 9 Scotland 3 1 1 1 2 2 4 Iceland 4 1 1 2 4 6 4 Macedonia FYR 3 1 0 2 2 3 3 Norway 3 0 2 1 2 3 2
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Post by Boško Buha on Dec 14, 2008 20:44:52 GMT -5
Can someone post the link to a topic that was on this forum that had pictures of the Bosnian war?
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