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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 17, 2008 6:32:54 GMT -5
How come there has been little to no write ups about the mass migration of Bosniaks from Bosnia?
I mean,we know lots of Bosniaks left Bosnia after the Austro-Hungarians took over Bosnia Province of the Ottoman Empire in 1878 right?
Why did they leave en masse? Even when plenty stayed behind.
Where did they settle particularly? What was their migration route?
Lets talk about it!!!
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 17, 2008 6:39:06 GMT -5
Many came to the US at the turn of the century, but would be listed as Austro-Hungarians or Austrians in immigration records, so it is difficult to say how many were Bosniaks, since a lot of czechs and Hungarians, Serbs, Croats etc also settled here
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 17, 2008 6:40:15 GMT -5
really? many left during that time too? But the first mass migration was in 1878 right?
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Post by bosanskinovi on Dec 17, 2008 6:40:55 GMT -5
Well its pretty cut and dry - the Bosniaks that fled following the fall of the Ottomans either did so in fear of attacks from Christians or because they didnt want to be part of a Christian empire. They mostly settled in Turkey
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Post by tito on Dec 17, 2008 6:43:24 GMT -5
Why did they leave en masse? They didn’t want to be second class citizens.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 17, 2008 6:44:02 GMT -5
They probably went to Turkey or lands still enslaved by the Ottomans. When the Austrians solidified control over Croatia many muslim converts went to Bosnia from within newly conquered lands of the Austrian(Austro-Hungarian)Empire. It can be said that a fair amount of Bosniaks do not have ancestry from what we know as Bosnia today. There have been muslim Bosnian communities discovered in various parts of the old Ottoman Empire outside of Bosnia. Some are still around.
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 17, 2008 6:47:29 GMT -5
^ yep
In ottoman times Muslims where the administrators, soldiers, judges, pen pushers, and land owners of the province, with the Porte forced out of the province and with the Emperor in Wiena calling the shots many just felt that would loose their privileges and be slowly forced to become serfs.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 17, 2008 6:48:02 GMT -5
Why did they leave en masse? They didn’t want to be second class citizens. Right. I believe many feared losing ownership over property granted to those of muslim confession by the Ottomans. The Austrians, with their different laws, threatened the land owners. I believe I read somewhere that the muslim Bosnians sold their land as well and purchased property elsewhere like in Turkey.
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Post by tito on Dec 17, 2008 6:52:06 GMT -5
Well "Turkey" wasn’t that far away in those days. It was like when the Bosniak Catholics moved to Slavonia and became Croats: www.bosnjaci.hr/
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 17, 2008 6:53:13 GMT -5
^^ Yep and with the Austrians in charge, the "greeks" as all Christians were labeled in the Ottoman empire would have rights to buy land and serve in functions they could not serve in before as Christians, and that could be seen as a threat to the order that had existed in Bosnia for centuries, people were freaked out about that.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 17, 2008 7:03:29 GMT -5
but why did so many stayed behind as well? Thats the intresting part.Many left,but many stayed.
Where in Turkey where Bosniaks settled?
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Post by Arthur Kane on Dec 17, 2008 7:03:57 GMT -5
I do know there was a population exchange between the Austrian and Turkish borderlands which cumulated into the modern day borders of Croatia and Bosnia. Like Tito said , Bosnian Catholics settled in Croatia and their descendants began to call themselves Croats and Muslim descendants from Croatia and other parts of the Austrian Empire began to call themselves Bosniaks.
I believe exoduses to and from Bosnia were socio-economic in nature and less ethno-nationalistic. The people of Bosnia have a rich history of changing their religions and allegiances as hedges against social or economic disadvantages. Picture a man in Bosnia conforming to Ottoman or Austrian customs to retain his property and social standing. This is frequent throughout any areas of the world.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 17, 2008 7:06:35 GMT -5
so many who stayed behind were peasants?
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Post by tito on Dec 17, 2008 7:09:47 GMT -5
but why did so many stayed behind as well? Thats the intresting part.Many left,but many stayed. People where split on the issue of staying or leaving, at first Bosnia was only administrated by Austria, it was officially a part of the Ottoman Empire until 1908. Those who left had a better perspective outside Bosnia, those who stayed didn’t think so.
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Post by bascavus on Dec 17, 2008 7:42:18 GMT -5
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Post by fazlinho on Dec 17, 2008 9:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Dec 17, 2008 11:56:19 GMT -5
lol...."bosniaks"
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Post by kapetan on Dec 17, 2008 12:27:13 GMT -5
They mostly went to Turkey, and small number in Albania.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 17, 2008 20:12:27 GMT -5
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the link is not working!!!!!!!!!!!! Please! Do you have the one that works??? Is the data stored somewhere else?
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 21, 2008 15:58:42 GMT -5
I read that those who are in Al,are those who stopped over and stayed during their migration out of Bosnia
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