Demonel
Amicus
I am Jack's regained insanity.
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Post by Demonel on Oct 18, 2008 17:53:04 GMT -5
Look, Albs had problems with Serbs in Kosovo long before there was a war in Bosnia. Where was the am ultimatum then? The fighting between the KLA and Serbs started long before the 1999 bombings. In fact, the West did the same thing they did in Bosnia, they waited for a massacre. NATO started seriously considering bombing attacks against Serbia only after Racak massacre occurred. In the Racak massacre only 40 to 45 Kosovo Albanians were killed; if there was no war in Bosnia, NATO wouldn’t react that harshly in response to the Racak massacre.
You really don’t get it do you? The world’s superpowers didn’t bomb Serbia because they love Albanians, they had other reasons. They wanted to show initiative, to take matters into their own hands to become the top dog. America didn’t react in Bosnia sooner because they considered Bosnia to be Europe’s problem. If you take a look at the history of the Bosnian war you will realize I’m telling the truth. At the beginning of the conflict in Bosnia all peace efforts were conducted by Europeans and the UN with no direct interference by Americans. After Srebrenica Americans (NATO) interfered, VRS was bombed Washington and Dayton agreements were signed.
You sure that ultimatum even happened? You should know that Bush senior also said he would bring Saddam down but he didn’t. I don’t really know about Albania’s plans but they couldn’t defend Kosovo they wouldn’t be able to support a war. If Albania entered the Kosovo war in would come under sanctions and would succumb to hunger and all out misery. You know what happened to Serbia under sanctions!? Who else would enter the war? No one would, for the same reason no one entered the war to help Serbia even though Serbia has more allies and supporters than Albanians do.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 18, 2008 18:01:14 GMT -5
U got a point!!
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Post by bosanskinovi on Oct 18, 2008 18:03:39 GMT -5
Ugh, just keep this topic free of insults please...(everyone)
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Demonel
Amicus
I am Jack's regained insanity.
Posts: 833
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Post by Demonel on Oct 18, 2008 18:04:09 GMT -5
nista ne obecavam
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Post by malsor4life on Oct 18, 2008 22:26:27 GMT -5
Just from my experience, most Boshnjaks i've encountered are snakes. I wouldnt trust 1 on any serious personal matter.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 19, 2008 3:50:09 GMT -5
Just from my experience, most Boshnjaks i've encountered are snakes. I wouldnt trust 1 on any serious personal matter. I'll refrain from answering because the majority of Bosniaks,as the majority of Albs have not entered in the discussion even if they wanted to... but I really want to see how many of yous are going to show your true face, although I hope the majority of us as we did until now will refrain from entering the topic. If those like malsor think we haven't anything to say about Albs man are you wrong... but I also know more rivals in the Balkans, don't really serve any purpose, if anyone thinks it does please explain. Personally, just personally, I don't care what 3-4 albs on this forum (or even the majority) care about us, what's important is that we stay united in those matters that directly affect our people. Even if I've seen many things written about us by Albanians in this topic(previously in the Serbian forum) we are fucked if we think we can play big though guys in the balkans alone against everyone else, same for Albanians. That's all I have to say and will say in this topic.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 19, 2008 6:39:32 GMT -5
Just from my experience, most Boshnjaks i've encountered are snakes. I wouldnt trust 1 on any serious personal matter. U know that majority of Bosniaks dont even like u!
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 19, 2008 13:50:50 GMT -5
Just from my experience, most Boshnjaks i've encountered are snakes. I wouldnt trust 1 on any serious personal matter. Hmmm.... That is what most Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats say about Albanians. Also look how they treated minorities during the Kosovo war. I have heard similar stories of Bosniaks who ended up in Kosovo during the Bosnian war and they were abused as well. I find Bosnians of all nationalities to be some of the nicest people I have ever met. Some Croats are hard to take especially from Dubrovnik, they think they are the chosen ones.
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Post by malsor4life on Oct 19, 2008 21:12:23 GMT -5
^ Exhibit A
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Post by malsor4life on Oct 19, 2008 21:23:29 GMT -5
Just from my experience, most Boshnjaks i've encountered are snakes. I wouldnt trust 1 on any serious personal matter. U know that majority of Bosniaks dont even like u! That's fine, just dont act all lovey-dovey when ur around us and then talk shyt behind our backs like ladies. I know a few Boshnjaks like that.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Oct 19, 2008 21:25:02 GMT -5
Bosnians of all three nationalities are some of the nicest people you've ever met yet in a country where supposedly all these nice people live there resulted a blood bath. Perhaps the niceness is only superficial. What do you think?
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Post by whateva on Oct 19, 2008 22:01:36 GMT -5
Nothing superficial about anything. In terms of me disliking someone it would go in this order Serbs, Croats, Albanians. Of all the Balkan people I only find Macedonians easy to get along with. And I've said it before and I'll say it again Serbs and Albanians absolutely deserve each other. If Albanians had a chance to do to Serbs what Serbs have done to them they would do it. Nothing noble about Albanians, believe me. Those Bosnians who say they like Albanians do so because either A: They know only 1 or 2 albanians or albanian families B: They think majority of Albanians are Muslims, Bosniaks are Muslims so we are natural allies C: All of the above
It is true if there is 1 Albanian he tends to be nice and respectful, the more Albanians get together the nastier they get and there will always be this superiority complex that they have towards the Slavs where they somehow think that as "Illyrians" they are racially superior to anyone else in Balkans.
Only reason Albanians are not #1 on list of people that I dislike is because we never had open warfare with them like with Serbs or Croats. If we did they'd be by far the most disliked nationality for me so I don't pretend to like them I simply don't hang out with them and thats it.
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Post by whateva on Oct 19, 2008 22:10:53 GMT -5
As to my views on Demonel's statement it doesn't have to mean that Kosovo wouldn't be independent but it would be lot harder to achieve. I realy believe that kosovo was taken away from Serbia as punishment for all the other wars they either started or sponsored in former Yugoslavia. I am more of a opinion if it wasn't for Bosniaks there would be no Croatia. Croats like to remind us how their offensive against Krajina Serbs helped us but they never aknowledge the fact if Bosniaks had sided with Serbs Croatia would have absolutely no chance to defeat them. It would free up many Serb soldiers and lots of their resources and shift them to Croatia. This way while we were fighting Serbs in Bosnia as well the RSK Serbs in Bihac region, Croatia waited, rearmed, trained and then launched a offensive against them.
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Post by sweetnugs on Oct 19, 2008 22:27:24 GMT -5
Athough I see myself as a Bosnian first and Bosniak second.. if that, anyway, I've never had issues with Albanians. A few of them live in the same apartment complex as I do and they are always naturally very nice to me and always speak kindly about BiH.
I know few Albanians in Sarajevo as well who moved there sometime in the 90s, very hard working people and good to know.
Personally, I've never met a single Albanian I didn't get along with. All the ones I did meet were very welcoming when I told them I am Bosnian.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 19, 2008 22:34:41 GMT -5
Just from my experience, most Boshnjaks i've encountered are snakes. I wouldnt trust 1 on any serious personal matter. U know that majority of Bosniaks dont even like u! Idiocy, don't speak on behalf of a whole nation, especialy one that's not yours. Just from my experience, most Boshnjaks i've encountered are snakes. I wouldnt trust 1 on any serious personal matter. Hmmm.... That is what most Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats say about Albanians. Also look how they treated minorities during the Kosovo war. . Actualy we say that about Croats, we call them "skutori". The caseof Bosniak woman being abused in Kosovo that I've heard of, was because she was mistaken fora Serb. Bosniaks fought in KLA. U know that majority of Bosniaks dont even like u! That's fine, just dont act all lovey-dovey when ur around us and then talk shyt behind our backs like ladies. I know a few Boshnjaks like that. This is moronic. Nationality has nothing todowth weather a person is a snake or s**t talker. Thats just some peoples personality. Any people. There's good and bad Bosnians like anyone else. Add statebriga is a Serb I'm pretty sure. I find the way some of you think trully disturbing. You know a few idiots from each ethnicity on an online forum and you take their word on everything. Judging whole nations on a few people you don't like. Here's a better question. What the f**k would Albanians have against us? What have we done to them? Historical conflicts? Nothing. If some idiot hates our whole nation that's his personal problem and he needs help. I don't even hate the Serbs as a whole although I have plenty reason to. Grow the f**k up. It's like you're looking for problems where there isn't any. And obviosly the Serbs would love to see the rest of us at eachother's throats. How about this? Judge individual people on character and their actions?
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Post by sweetnugs on Oct 19, 2008 22:37:57 GMT -5
I've also heard Bosniacs were in KLA but I've never seen solid proof.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 19, 2008 22:40:04 GMT -5
I've also heard Bosniacs were in KLA but I've never seen solid proof. I've seen a news story on it, they interviewd one. Apperantl some figures from the Bosnian Army supplied weapons as well. I also heard former members of Black Swans were involved with training.
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 19, 2008 22:41:49 GMT -5
I've also heard Bosniacs were in KLA but I've never seen solid proof. I've seen a news story on it, they interviewd one. Apperantl some figures from the Bosnian Army supplied weapons as well. I also heard former members of Black Swans were involved with training. Maybe malsor can lighten up with the Bosnian diarrhea talk then?
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Post by kapetan on Oct 19, 2008 22:44:46 GMT -5
I've seen a news story on it, they interviewd one. Apperantl some figures from the Bosnian Army supplied weapons as well. I also heard former members of Black Swans were involved with training. Maybe malsor can lighten up with the Bosnian diarrhea talk then? f*ck him. He wants to be an as*hole, let him talk sh*t, that's what as*holes do. If he gets offon insulting people who almost universaly supported his people in their independance fight, then he's a f*g.
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Post by whateva on Oct 19, 2008 22:52:04 GMT -5
You can't compare Albanians living and working in BiH with the rest. And another thing, Kosovo Albanians might have killed some Bosniaks in Kosovo. But if they are right in their claims that those Bosniaks worked with Serbs then those Bosniaks deserved it.
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