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Post by fazlinho on Oct 21, 2008 10:51:00 GMT -5
Because the word muslim isn't mentioned anywhere in the very constitution of BiH, because we have been fighting against that name since a century, because it implies we aren't a people, which we are. No I won't say you are Bosniak, because you aren't Bosniak I don't see why should I say that. Croats don't like being relegated to the mere status of Bosnian Catholics so I don't see why should we refer to all Bosniaks with the term muslims.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 21, 2008 10:53:56 GMT -5
No not my grandmother. But we do have ties to that surname yes. And they are strictly from Croatia proper her side. Nothing to do with Bosna. Why can't you guys understand that we are Croats and accept that. Just keep on brainwashing your own people, but don't try and brainwash me.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 21, 2008 10:56:33 GMT -5
Hey Faz I totally agree where you are coming from, but it's not downgrading you in anyway so don't think of it that way. Even under Yugoslavia muslims were recognised, and can you say you didn't like that?
I just want to be able to use the word muslim here without you editing that's all. I don't want to make a big deal out of this bez veze.
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 21, 2008 10:59:39 GMT -5
You wont be edited anyway your a mod he cant edit you.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 21, 2008 10:59:47 GMT -5
We liked it only because it was the first step, in the words of Hamdija Pozderac "nude nam muslimanstvo, a ne bosanstvo, no korak po korak"....or something like that lol.
If you use the word muslim referring to muslims noone will edit you.
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Post by tito on Oct 21, 2008 11:01:58 GMT -5
they are strictly from Croatia proper her side. "Nothing to do with Bosna." The family name Bosnjak is mostly used outside Bosnia because the Bosniak Catholics who emigrated from Bosna where the ones that most often adopted that name as their family name, probably in order for people like you to remember your Bosniak roots. Why can't you guys understand that we are Croats and accept that. You cant be an ethnic Croat if you are from Bosnia, you even have your grandmothers name Bosnjak to remind you that you have always been Bosniak.
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 21, 2008 11:03:21 GMT -5
Tito your a good dancer man
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 21, 2008 11:06:08 GMT -5
Good then , we both now know what's it's like to fight for true identity.
What Hamdija said is a contradition.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 21, 2008 11:09:34 GMT -5
Than tito ethnic Bosniaks are almost non existant, if you think of all the non-Bosniak blood in us. We are one of those people like Italians, Spaniards, that were named by their homeland, not the other way around. And I'm quite proud of that.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 21, 2008 11:09:35 GMT -5
Ok tito, then let's take the Kovacevic surname for example of my grandmother. It is the same surname as a muslim family I know. So are u saying that we came from Bosna (supposedly being Bosniaks in your view) to Croatia, or they came from Croatia (being Croats of course) to Bosna. You tell me smart ass.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 21, 2008 11:10:42 GMT -5
Ok Faz, I don't agree but you made your point and I accept that.
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 21, 2008 11:12:57 GMT -5
Isnt Kovacevic a mostly Serb last name?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 21, 2008 11:20:05 GMT -5
Kovacevic is used by all three. I know in this case though my history on the maternal side of my father's mother is from Lika and Slavonija.
Anyway, I don't want to corrupt Faz's thread. I have clarified what I wanted to with him.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 21, 2008 11:25:38 GMT -5
why don't you people comment in my super-duper anthems thread instead
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 21, 2008 11:26:50 GMT -5
If not all "bosniaks" are muslim, then what are they?
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Post by tito on Oct 21, 2008 11:27:08 GMT -5
Ok tito, then let's take the Kovacevic surname for example of my grandmother. It is the same surname as a muslim family I know. So are u saying that we came from Bosna (being Bosniaks) to Croatia, or they came from Croatia (being Croats) to Bosna. You tell me smart ass. If someone moves from Bosnia to Croatia and then names his family Bosnjak, then obviously that someone was a Bosniak and not a Croat. As for the name Kovacevic it only indicates that someone’s father was a kovac, which means that a kovac/Kovacevic in Bosnia is obviously an ethnic Bosniak no matter what religion. Isnt Kovacevic a mostly Serb last name? Maybe in Serbia.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 21, 2008 11:29:27 GMT -5
tito, just read my new thread.
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Post by Zvone on Oct 21, 2008 11:33:55 GMT -5
Don't listen to their revisionist history. Bosniaks, which no one outside Bosnia knows exist, found this new nationalistic component to their life and are trying to share their propaganda to legitimize themselves. I have no problem with people calling themselves whatever they'd like but as soon as they start preaching their utter load of crap upon someone else, then it becomes an issue.
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Post by tito on Oct 21, 2008 11:37:28 GMT -5
I have no problem with people calling themselves whatever they'd like but as soon as they start preaching their utter load of crap upon someone else, then it becomes an issue. Welcome to our world ;D
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 21, 2008 11:38:26 GMT -5
If not all "bosniaks" are muslim, then what are they? Bosniaks. And tell me what is a non orthodox Serb? Zvone, actually, no one outside of the Balkans knows non-muslims reside in Bosnia, they have no idea Croats or Serbs are there.
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