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Post by kapetan on Oct 21, 2008 14:54:12 GMT -5
muslims with lower case is ok! cuz thats religion! with capital M NEVAR!
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 21, 2008 14:57:07 GMT -5
If there was any assimilation, it was into our language and religion. There is nothing wrong with that, assimilation happens everywhere. There is a certain continuation with the religion and the language which the forms the basis of our national identity LoL... so when Serbs assimilate non-serbs into serbs, its "nothing wrong with that" but when Bosniacs are not all the direct decendents of mr-Tvrtko and friends we are not a real people...
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Post by zgembo on Oct 21, 2008 15:13:38 GMT -5
I am not saying you are not a real people... just that there is no continuity between medieval Bosnia and what you guys are today... medieval Bosnians were Christians, you guys (your culture and religion, and everything but your language) are a product of the Ottoman Empire
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 21, 2008 15:18:05 GMT -5
I am not saying you are not a real people... just that there is no continuity between medieval Bosnia and what you guys are today... medieval Bosnians were Christians, you guys (your culture and religion, and everything but your language) are a product of the Ottoman Empire LoL, and your culture is not a product of the Ottoman Empire? There is no continuity between medival Serbia and you guys either... Only difference is, Bosniacs forgot to swap back religion to catholic, those from Bosnia, not those from Raska, thats it... We are as real a poeple as you, a prodcut of having the Millet system for 400 years...
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Post by bosanskinovi on Oct 21, 2008 15:18:58 GMT -5
@zgembo: how about genetics? No matter how much you think Bosniaks differ from the medieval Bosnians, you can't deny that they are our biological ancestors.
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 21, 2008 15:20:41 GMT -5
@zgembo: how about genetics? No matter how much you think Bosniaks differ from the medieval Bosnians, you can't deny that they are our biological ancestors. Thats a lie!! WE are half Slavs half Turks, one can see it in our eyes, and scull shape...
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Oct 21, 2008 15:23:04 GMT -5
Kovacevic is a deritive of Kovac and is a Slavic name with no national connotation.
The average person associates Muslims with Turkey and other more eastern countries. At least the ones I meet.
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Post by bosanskinovi on Oct 21, 2008 15:25:34 GMT -5
Yes, but if they connect a religion to Bosnia, its Islam. Hell, that's the reason why many Croats and Serbs dont want to say they come from Bosnia when they're asked; because so many people automatically assume they're Muslims.
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Zvone
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Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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Post by Zvone on Oct 21, 2008 15:28:08 GMT -5
The people where I live might be more ignorant than where you live.
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 21, 2008 15:34:20 GMT -5
From what I understand, when poeple, who do ont know many BOsnian Muslims, talk about it, either they think that Bosnia is a nation state, and that most Bosnians are Muslims in some way, perhaps Atheist, but that they all have Muslims names, or when they hear "Bosnian Muslims" they think that Bosnian Muslims are immigrants into Bosnia, seen as there is no way that a native European people can be Muslim..
LoL...
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Post by bosanskinovi on Oct 21, 2008 15:36:33 GMT -5
^^A lot of people don't know the war ended...
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Post by kapetan on Oct 21, 2008 15:42:22 GMT -5
I am not saying you are not a real people... just that there is no continuity between medieval Bosnia and what you guys are today... medieval Bosnians were Christians, you guys (your culture and religion, and everything but your language) are a product of the Ottoman Empire complete bulls**t. please stick to analyzing your own people. we are as bosnian as it gets. this is like saying you are less serb cuz youre not a slavic pagan still. or albanians are less albanian cuz they converted for the benefit. islam is PART of bosnia, not something ALONGSIDE bosnia. our symbols, our ONLY homeland, and everyting about us is bosnia. if people have a problem with that they can suffer silently inside Lol you epople are OBSESSED with us. dissporving things about us IS ALL YOU CARE ABOUT LOL it's HILLARIOUS.
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Post by Banatski on Oct 21, 2008 15:52:30 GMT -5
"you epople are OBSESSED with us"
Who is obsessed with whom is seen in your signature... And about us being obsessed with you I have to say it is very far away from truth, trust me. At least we from Serbia, we try to maintain connection with bosnian Serbs, the ones who don't like us we don't care about in the sense you are implying.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 21, 2008 15:54:50 GMT -5
"you epople are OBSESSED with us" Who is obsessed with whom is seen in your signature... And about us being obsessed with you I have to say it is very far away from truth, trust me. At least we from Serbia, we try to maintain connection with bosnian Serbs, the ones who don't like us we don't care about in the sense you are implying. I dont have the pic cuz serb figures are in it, i have the pic cuz bosnian handzar is in it. and cuz its funny. and the serbs on this forum spend 90% of their time trying to dissprove s**t about us or proving kosovo is theirs. THAT'S IT. I get the Kosovo one, want the land back....but about us? Seems like nothing but inat. Even knowing it won't change a thing. Beating a dead horse. and btw friend..being from serbia..you barely know anything about bosnia or us..you might think you do...but that takes living there at least a while or growing up in the culture...bosnian serbs even are plenty different from serbians...i respect them way more. with you guys, its just like youre sticking your nose into our business.
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 21, 2008 15:58:20 GMT -5
A big LoL goes to both Serbs and Bosniacs who want to provecontinuity to medieval nobles, when one takes into consideration that most of the Seljaks did not look at them selfs as anything, and got killed by STD's before getting to the age of 30.... I honestly do not care if about Tvrtko and Lazar.. ko ih jebe... You are taking pride in nations what were not even there, in old times you had regions, language groups, and religion.. "Bosnians" "Serbs" was just something the top of the cast system had any connection to...
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Post by Banatski on Oct 21, 2008 15:58:44 GMT -5
"you epople are OBSESSED with us" Who is obsessed with whom is seen in your signature... And about us being obsessed with you I have to say it is very far away from truth, trust me. At least we from Serbia, we try to maintain connection with bosnian Serbs, the ones who don't like us we don't care about in the sense you are implying. I dont have the pic cuz serb figures are in it, i have the pic cuz bosnian handzar is in it. and cuz its funny. and the serbs on this forum spend 90% of their time trying to dissprove s**t about us or proving kosovo is theirs. THAT'S IT. I get the Kosovo one, want the land back....but about us? Seems like nothing but inat. Even knowing it won't change a thing. Beating a dead horse. I am not sure I understood your message very well, but - sleep tight, I am 100% sure great majority of Serbs doesn't consider you a part of serbian ethnos. Today, being a Serb and being Muslim is very unachievable.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 21, 2008 16:09:49 GMT -5
I dont have the pic cuz serb figures are in it, i have the pic cuz bosnian handzar is in it. and cuz its funny. and the serbs on this forum spend 90% of their time trying to dissprove s**t about us or proving kosovo is theirs. THAT'S IT. I get the Kosovo one, want the land back....but about us? Seems like nothing but inat. Even knowing it won't change a thing. Beating a dead horse. I am not sure I understood your message very well, but - sleep tight, I am 100% sure great majority of Serbs doesn't consider you a part of serbian ethnos. Today, being a Serb and being Muslim is very unachievable. wtf does this post have anything to do with the conversation? lmao
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Post by kapetan on Oct 21, 2008 16:11:04 GMT -5
A big LoL goes to both Serbs and Bosniacs who want to provecontinuity to medieval nobles, when one takes into consideration that most of the Seljaks did not look at them selfs as anything, and got killed by STD's before getting to the age of 30.... I honestly do not care if about Tvrtko and Lazar.. ko ih jebe... You are taking pride in nations what were not even there, in old times you had regions, language groups, and religion.. "Bosnians" "Serbs" was just something the top of the cast system had any connection to... I honestly would never talk about it myself, if it wasn't for the constant attacks on us using those old things.
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Post by Banatski on Oct 21, 2008 16:19:20 GMT -5
^^ I understood that you said we were obsessed with you and disproving your continuity of a nation... Like I said, you seem to type quickly and make your sentences messy so I might have misunderstood you.
"and btw friend..being from serbia..you barely know anything about bosnia or us..you might think you do...but that takes living there at least a while or growing up in the culture...bosnian serbs even are plenty different from serbians...i respect them way more. with you guys, its just like youre sticking your nose into our business."
Like I said, I don't care about Bosnia, I care about its Serbs. If they feel closer to you ok then, but we both know that's not the case.
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Post by bob1389 on Oct 21, 2008 16:38:34 GMT -5
I find that 'you people' works just as good as 'bosniaks'
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