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Post by amoureux24 on Jan 10, 2008 12:08:52 GMT -5
Poznato je da je Sandzak bio Bosanski za vrijeme Austrougarske vladavine da bi ga Srbija nelegalno posvojila gdje se i danas nalazi nelegalno.
Vrijeme je da se Bosnjaci ujedine sa Bosnjacima.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 10, 2008 13:02:43 GMT -5
Prvo, ilegalna austrijska okupacija Bosne je bila veoma kratkog vijeka (Bosna: 1878-1918) i nevidim da ona moze da posluzi kao baza icemu valjanom sto se tice sadasnje analize zapadnog balkana. To bi bilo kao kad bi sada neko koristio njemacku okupaciju bivse Juge za vrijeme 2SR kao fokus svoje analize. Drugo, koliko sam upoznat Sandjak (Raska je originalno ime) je bila i dalje pod Otomanskom okupacijom za vecinu tog vrijema (1878-prvi balkanski rat). Raska je originalna zona Srbije tj zona iz koje je ponikla i u kojoj i dalje ima znatan broj Srba (koje su Otomani gonili za vrijeme njihovoge okupacije i nastanjivali muslimane). Trece, ogromna vecina takozvanih 'Bosnjaka' Sandzaka veze nemaju ama nikakve veze sa Bosnom vec su iz stare Crne Gore porijeklom (otadle izgnani za vrijeme takozvane 'potjere poturica' o kojoj je pisao Njegos kada su se crnogorski muslimani ili preobratili u vjeru ili bjezali na Otomansku teritoriju (Sandjak) i maji dio je od lokalnih Arbanasa. Dakle ovaj narod je sto je godj narod u CG. Nije ovo srednji vijek vise pa da primitivni narod sebe identifikuje preko vjere a i pak da jeste tako onda zbog cega bise crnogorski muslimani zvali Bosnjacima (nije im Bosna dala tu vjeru niti poticu iz Bosne) isto kao sto crnogorski katolici nemogu biti Hrvati samo zbog vjere (nije im Hrvatska dala vjeru dok su Duklja i Zeta vec bile katolicke zemlje). Etnicka Mapa Austro-Ugarske Prvi Balkanski rat (oslobodjenje Balkana od visevjekovne Otomanske okupacije) Etnicka mapa Balkana 1861 (French: G.Lejean)
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 10, 2008 15:37:15 GMT -5
Two thirds of Sandzak Bosniaks trace their ancestry to the regions of Montenegro proper, which they started leaving first in 1687, after Turkey lost Boka Kotorska. The trend continued in Old Montenegro after 1711 with the extermination of converts to Islam (“istraga poturica”). Another contributing factor that spurred the migration to Sandzak from the Old Montenegro was the fact that the old Orthodox population of Sandžak moved towards Serbia and the Habsburg Monarchy (Vojvodina) in two waves, first after 1687, and then, after 1740, leaving Sandžak basically depopulated.
Some twenty percent of Bosniaks stem from the Catholic Albanian clans of Northern Albania and neighbouring Montenegro. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand%C5%BEak#Bosniaksdakle (65%+ 20% =) bar 85% tih Bosnjaka nemaju veze sa Bosnom sto se tice porijekla.
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Post by vinjak on Jan 10, 2008 16:02:29 GMT -5
Otcjepljenje Sandzaka od Srbije
Opa .... Amoureux jel ti dosadno tamo na Bosansku stranu ?
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Post by tyson on Jan 10, 2008 17:50:30 GMT -5
dakle (65%+ 20% =) bar 85% tih Bosnjaka nemaju veze sa Bosnom sto se tice porijekla. no , it cant be said like that, because the percentages overlap each other, because sandzak bosniaks all mix with one and another. sandzaklije can have ancestors from montenegro, but then they could also have ancestors from BiH, and then they could also have ancestors from albania. so out of the population of sandzaklije, there is said to be 60% that can trace roots to montenegro, but that does not mean all those people solely trace their roots to only montenegro. also i heard that 10% of sandzaklije can trace their roots to slavonija, because after the turks lost the territories north of the sava river, all the muslim converts retreated with the turks. alot of them went to sandzak. so these percentage overlap each other, so you cant say that only 15% of sandzaklije can trace their roots to BiH, just because you added up the 65% of sandzaklije that can trace their roots to montenegro with the 20% that can trace their roots to albania. i know that sandzaklije that can trace their roots to BiH is alot more than 15%. i think a realistic figure of sandzaklije that can trace their roots to BiH would be between 40 and 50%.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jan 10, 2008 18:11:07 GMT -5
A od Crne Gore?
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Post by vladacccc on Jan 10, 2008 20:10:03 GMT -5
ok i have an idea.. how about non-serbs stop treating Serbian land like slice of pie and be satisfied with country's present day territory. BTW none of you have any political influence and chances are you never will.
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Post by vinjak on Jan 10, 2008 20:51:02 GMT -5
^^^^^ It is how it works, while something seems to be weak the vultures circle. But it wont be always that way slowly slowly
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Post by srbobran on Apr 20, 2009 18:11:16 GMT -5
Actually alot of Sandzak Muslims support Serbia and most just want autonomy or something of the sorts. Most are loyal to Serbia, however.
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