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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 12, 2009 11:43:02 GMT -5
Diplomacy: Negotiations between Belgrade and Zagreb. The negotiations may involve foreign powers. Coercion: Belgrade threatening sanctions and/or war if demands aren't met. Could also involve Zagreb being coerced by foreign powers into accepting. War: Military strikes by Belgrade into territory controlled by Zagreb which may or may not involve foreign powers aiding either side. D/C/W: A combination of diplomacy, coercion and war. This is a policy that wouldn't be as coherent or as organized as the other options and would take much longer. Limited Autonomy: Republika Srpska Krajina would have political independence but not economic or military independence from Zagreb. Complete Autonomy: Republika Srpska Krajina would have political and economic independence but not military independence from Zagreb. Independence: Republika Srpska Krajina would have political, economic and military independence from Zagreb. Annexation: Republika Srpska Krajina would be annexed by Belgrade. Republika Srpska Krajina according to this picture.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 12, 2009 12:39:58 GMT -5
It wont happen at this day and age. But if this was 1991 id choose autonomy. Atleast untill Tudjman got replaced with a more liberal Croatian President.
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Post by manijak on Apr 12, 2009 12:48:09 GMT -5
Are you trying to be like the Albanians?
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Post by srbobran on Apr 12, 2009 14:21:11 GMT -5
Yeah. If Serbs start getting more people back to Kraijna, we might be able to achieve limited autonomy. But realistically, I don't foresee this happening in the near future. Unfortunately, Milosevic and his horrible politics/cowardice prevented the Krajina Serbs from achieving some form of autonomy.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Apr 12, 2009 16:08:29 GMT -5
Yeah. If Serbs start getting more people back to Kraijna, we might be able to achieve limited autonomy. But realistically, I don't foresee this happening in the near future. Unfortunately, Milosevic and his horrible politics/cowardice prevented the Krajina Serbs from achieving some form of autonomy. I agree. If Krajina Serbs return in such numbers that they are a clear majority there then there is a strong chance for that (assuming Croatia is in EU at that point). In such scenario they are likely to be given compatible autonomy that exist in certain EU countries with minorities with whom there was war. Probable compatible example is found in NE Italy for German minority there. Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino_Alto_Adige Italy and Austria negotiated an agreement in 1946, put into effect in 1947 when a new Italian constitution was promulgated, that the region would be granted considerable autonomy. German and Italian were both made official languages, and German-language education was permitted once more. The region was called Trentino-Alto Adige/Tiroler Etschland between 1947 and 1972.
However, the implementation of the agreement was not seen as satisfactory by either the German-speaking population or the Austrian government. The issue became the cause of significant friction between the two countries and was taken up by the United Nations in 1960. A fresh round of negotiations took place in 1961 but proved unsuccessful, partly because of a campaign of terrorism by German-speaking separatists.
The issue was resolved in 1971, when a new Austro-Italian treaty was signed and ratified. It stipulated that disputes in the province of Bolzano-Bozen would be submitted for settlement to the International Court of Justice in The Hague, that the province would receive greater autonomy within Italy, and that Austria would not interfere in Bolzano-Bozen's internal affairs. The new agreement proved broadly satisfactory to the parties involved and the separatist tensions soon eased. Matters were helped further by Austria's accession to the European Union in 1995, which has helped to improve cross-border cooperation.[10]
--------- Government and politics Main article: Politics of Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Trentino-Alto_Adige/S%C3%BCdtirol
The regional capital is Trento and the region is divided into two autonomous provinces: Province of Trento (or Trentino), and Province of Bolzano-Bozen (or Alto Adige/Südtirol). For both provinces Bolzano and Trento, the Italian State recognised a particular autonomy, which is the result of the Gruber-De Gasperi Agreement, as well as of the special Status of autonomy approved by the constitutional law in 1948. This Status gived the Region of Trentino Alto Adige the right of elaborating own laws in a wide number of domains and to carry out relative administrative functions. In 1972, the introduction of the second Status of autonomy, which was in the center of the discussions between the governments of Rome and Vienna, meant the transfer of the main competences from the Region to the two provinces of Bolzano and Trento. The autonomy recognized by the special Status comprises autonomy of political address, legislative autonomy, administrative autonomy, and autonomy in financial institution. The provincial capitals alternate biennially as the site of the regional parliament[13].
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Post by paja on Apr 12, 2009 16:36:11 GMT -5
No, nothing would happen. Both Croatian Serbs and the EU called for the dissolution of the RSK government in exile.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 12, 2009 23:33:06 GMT -5
Krajina Serbs won't be able to return until the Croatian judicial system becomes uncorrupted (most unlikely), there is initiative in Zagreb for Krajina Serbs to be given their homes back (unlikely), the Zagreb authorities are coerced (most likely) or the Zagreb authorities are replaced (likely). So there RSK will have to come into existence before Krajina Serbs return to their homes. Are you trying to be like the Albanians? Nope. Krajina legally belongs to Serbs whereas Kosovo doesn't legally belong to Shqiptars.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 13, 2009 4:56:26 GMT -5
It is just land, Zadnji. It is not particularly valuable (unless you have the coast too) and it is not very developed. It is too far from Serbia and strategically unmanageable unless you have a truly greater Serbia. Serbs used to live there but most have since moved on (to Serbia, Republika Srpska or internationally). I empathize with Krajina Serbs but its just not worth it. Baranja and eastern Slavonia are the only part that is worth it. With the remaining Krajina Serbs I would urge them to live there and develop that as a Serbian area. It has economic potential, it is close to Serbia and it offer some strategic advantage (greater access to Dunav).
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 13, 2009 5:06:37 GMT -5
It wond work why even bother.. At tops it would be as kosovo if it would come to war. that is Poor. If i had to choose 91- maybe autonomy but not independent.
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Post by bob1389 on Apr 13, 2009 8:19:04 GMT -5
holy shit thats a lot of poll options
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 13, 2009 8:25:41 GMT -5
It wouldnt be the second comming but the third. First was during Austrian times, second was the 90's. The 3rd one we shall call.. The 3rd Reich!
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Post by captainalbania on Apr 13, 2009 12:41:22 GMT -5
From what i understand, the Croats did a good job cleansing the Serbs from that area so you no longer constitute a clear majority anymore.
You'd have a better chance of getting RS out of the Bosnian Union.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 13, 2009 12:57:10 GMT -5
From what i understand, the Croats did a good job cleansing the Serbs from that area so you no longer constitute a clear majority anymore. You'd have a better chance of getting RS out of the Bosnian Union. If I wanted your opinion, I'd go on safari.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 13, 2009 13:09:00 GMT -5
From what i understand, the Croats did a good job cleansing the Serbs from that area so you no longer constitute a clear majority anymore. You'd have a better chance of getting RS out of the Bosnian Union. By nature, Croats cannot really cleanse Serbs, since that would require cleansing themselves as well.
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Post by superstar on Apr 13, 2009 17:17:32 GMT -5
The biggest exodous of Serbs from modern day Croatia came during operation storm on the order of Kranija leadership.
Maybe if that leadership of Babic, Martic and whoever else would order them back, they may return? ;D
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Post by paja on Apr 14, 2009 14:56:21 GMT -5
Oh please, I hope you are not insinuating that Croats are really Catholic Serbs.
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Post by MiG on Apr 14, 2009 18:10:36 GMT -5
From what i understand, the Croats did a good job cleansing the Serbs from that area so you no longer constitute a clear majority anymore. You'd have a better chance of getting RS out of the Bosnian Union. By nature, Croats cannot really cleanse Serbs, since that would require cleansing themselves as well. ROFL!!!! Thank you for that. ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 14, 2009 23:22:26 GMT -5
Seriously, this is what i think, politics aside.
Now MIG, i was reading your Putin quote, in the "slava" thread, in fluent Russian, and it was like WOW!! Man, have you ever thought of choosing the hard-core religion of hard-core slavs and em..... converting? ;D
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 15, 2009 0:13:29 GMT -5
MIG is half Jew.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 15, 2009 4:51:29 GMT -5
I think you're confusing him with Zvone lol
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