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Post by ljubotan on Jan 7, 2009 16:51:31 GMT -5
Is there major differences between S. Serbs (Vranje, Nis, Pirot, Presevo etc) compared with Serbs from central Sumadija, Bosna, Krajina etc?
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 7, 2009 18:17:46 GMT -5
From what I can figure, there are linguistic and cultural differences between Serbians (Serbia, Eastern Bosnia), the Mountaineers (Montenegro, Old Herzegovina, Herzegovina) and Frontiersmen (Krajina, Bosnia, Dalmatia). I have never been to Vojvodina and Macedonia but I assume the former falls under the Frontiersmen and the latter falls under Serbians.
First of all, there is the national dress which is unique for all the groups. Then you have localized accents, words and phrases. Then you have local traditions, beliefs and laws. Of course, Serb society is incredibly decentralized so what may be normal in Banja Luka could be abnormal in Prijedor, etc. Other than those 3 main cultural groups, every clan is different and so is every family. I noticed this when I was younger and realised that other families don't recite the Lord's Prayer in the same way as we do and have different customs during Christmas, Easter, Slava, etc.
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Post by srbobran on Jan 7, 2009 19:03:45 GMT -5
Yeah but for national dress, you have totally different dress in villages 20 km apart within any of the given "regions" you mentioned so that doesn't apply. The cultural differences are relatively small, but they do exist. Vojvodina is more Westernized than the rest of the Serb lands, but only to certain extent (after all, Vojvodina was settled by Kosovo and Macedonian Serbs) and they display the same typically Serb characteristics.
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 8, 2009 0:54:18 GMT -5
From what I can figure, there are linguistic and cultural differences between Serbians (Serbia, Eastern Bosnia), the Mountaineers (Montenegro, Old Herzegovina, Herzegovina) and Frontiersmen (Krajina, Bosnia, Dalmatia). I have never been to Vojvodina and Macedonia but I assume the former falls under the Frontiersmen and the latter falls under Serbians. First of all, there is the national dress which is unique for all the groups. Then you have localized accents, words and phrases. Then you have local traditions, beliefs and laws. Of course, Serb society is incredibly decentralized so what may be normal in Banja Luka could be abnormal in Prijedor, etc. Other than those 3 main cultural groups, every clan is different and so is every family. I noticed this when I was younger and realised that other families don't recite the Lord's Prayer in the same way as we do and have different customs during Christmas, Easter, Slava, etc. Vojvodina Serbs arent similar to Krajina Serbs at all.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 8, 2009 3:52:14 GMT -5
...care to explain?
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Post by kapetan on Jan 8, 2009 4:01:56 GMT -5
Probly different mixtures of blood depending on who theyre close to.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 8, 2009 4:11:13 GMT -5
Those that mixed with Turks today call themselves Muslims/Bosniaks. Those that mixed with Croats today call themselves Croats. Those that mixed with Shqiptars today call themselves Shqiptars. Et cetera.
The different cultures of today's Serbs is the result of influence, not of "mixing".
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Post by bosanskinovi on Jan 8, 2009 4:14:27 GMT -5
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Post by Banatski on Jan 8, 2009 5:05:41 GMT -5
On the end it all depends on what you are trying to find - differences or similarities. Minor differences can be found between a Vojvodina Serb and a southeastern Serb, but compared to the differences between, let's say, a Serb and a Greek they are really nothing... In Vojvodina there are even differences in clothing and customs between Banat and Srem, and even within Banat there are differences between southern and central Banat...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2009 7:51:48 GMT -5
"(after all, Vojvodina was settled by Kosovo and Macedonian Serbs) and they display the same typically Serb characteristics."
Church records show that 50% of vojvodina serbs originated from kosovo or vardar.
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 8, 2009 9:00:04 GMT -5
Vojvodina Serbs are more quiet and reserved. Krajina Serbs are more loud and rowdy. Vojvodina Serbs are more civilised, Krajina Serbs are barbarians lol ;D
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Post by radovic on Jan 8, 2009 10:28:01 GMT -5
Is there major differences between S. Serbs (Vranje, Nis, Pirot, Presevo etc) compared with Serbs from central Sumadija, Bosna, Krajina etc? Northern Bosnia/Krajina- Vlach origin. Montenegro, Hercegovina, S. Bosnia, Central Serbia and Vojvodina are of non-Vlach origin.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 8, 2009 10:44:21 GMT -5
Hi there again!! Srecna Nova Godina ljudi!
"Northern Bosnia/Krajina- Vlach origin. Montenegro, Hercegovina, S. Bosnia, Central Serbia and Vojvodina are of non-Vlach origin."
Then how northern Bosnians (Serbs/others) are taller than Voivodinians? Are there any vlah words preserved ? i mean i come from Ipiros the capitol of greek vlahs and i can tell you being a vlah (i am not but many in my family are maried to vlahs) is smth very specific... either someone is vlah or not there is not middle state.
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Post by zgembo on Jan 8, 2009 11:15:19 GMT -5
Is there major differences between S. Serbs (Vranje, Nis, Pirot, Presevo etc) compared with Serbs from central Sumadija, Bosna, Krajina etc? Northern Bosnia/Krajina- Vlach origin. Montenegro, Hercegovina, S. Bosnia, Central Serbia and Vojvodina are of non-Vlach origin. LOL What Croat or Muslim told you that? If you really want to get into it the Serbs in Montenegro, Hercegovina and Central Serbia are all of Vlach origin too. The Serbs (or Vlach according to Croats) who settled in Krajina and western Bosnia were from central Serbia, Herzegovina, Montenegro. They didn't come from Romania. There is a confusion between Vlachs as a social group and as a linguistic group. Linguistic Vlachs (e.g. Romanians) died out in Serbia, Montenegro, Hercegovina & Bosnia a long time ago. The alleged Vlachs who settled in Croatia and Bosnia were Slavic-speaking and Serbian Orthodox Christians. Ethnically and linguistically that means they couldn't have been Vlachs anylonger. You also have the social group interpretation which equates them to shepherds and people living in the mountains. A lot of Serbs (in Serbia, Montenegro, BH, Krajina) lived like that prior to the 19th century. The whole Vlach origin thing is propagated by Muslims and Croats to deny Serbian identity in Croatia and Bosnia. Fact of the matter is over 90% of modern-day Yugoslavs have "Vlach origin".
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Post by zgembo on Jan 8, 2009 11:18:07 GMT -5
From what I can figure, there are linguistic and cultural differences between Serbians (Serbia, Eastern Bosnia), the Mountaineers (Montenegro, Old Herzegovina, Herzegovina) and Frontiersmen (Krajina, Bosnia, Dalmatia). I have never been to Vojvodina and Macedonia but I assume the former falls under the Frontiersmen and the latter falls under Serbians. First of all, there is the national dress which is unique for all the groups. Then you have localized accents, words and phrases. Then you have local traditions, beliefs and laws. Of course, Serb society is incredibly decentralized so what may be normal in Banja Luka could be abnormal in Prijedor, etc. Other than those 3 main cultural groups, every clan is different and so is every family. I noticed this when I was younger and realised that other families don't recite the Lord's Prayer in the same way as we do and have different customs during Christmas, Easter, Slava, etc. Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?!? You speak like someone who isn't even Serbian. What may be normal in BL is not normal in Prijedor. LOL In two paragraphs you managed to say nothing, Congrats!
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 8, 2009 13:18:17 GMT -5
Serbs are Romanians who forgot their language.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 8, 2009 13:36:38 GMT -5
Serbs are Romanians who forgot their language. Are you sure it was Serbs who forgot their language? The only latin speakers who say "DA" for yes are Romanians... LMAO!
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Post by radovic on Jan 8, 2009 17:28:05 GMT -5
From what I can figure, there are linguistic and cultural differences between Serbians (Serbia, Eastern Bosnia), the Mountaineers (Montenegro, Old Herzegovina, Herzegovina) and Frontiersmen (Krajina, Bosnia, Dalmatia). I have never been to Vojvodina and Macedonia but I assume the former falls under the Frontiersmen and the latter falls under Serbians. First of all, there is the national dress which is unique for all the groups. Then you have localized accents, words and phrases. Then you have local traditions, beliefs and laws. Of course, Serb society is incredibly decentralized so what may be normal in Banja Luka could be abnormal in Prijedor, etc. Other than those 3 main cultural groups, every clan is different and so is every family. I noticed this when I was younger and realised that other families don't recite the Lord's Prayer in the same way as we do and have different customs during Christmas, Easter, Slava, etc. Dude, what the f**k are you talking about?!? You speak like someone who isn't even Serbian. What may be normal in BL is not normal in Prijedor. LOL In two paragraphs you managed to say nothing, Congrats! If you really want to get technicall. The Vlachs that were in Serbia in the middle ages had already differentiated from the Vlachs in Romania. Not only that but the legal code that existed under Tsar Dushan specifically barred the Slavic Rascians from mixing through marriager with the Vlachs, so that when the Turks came and the Vlachs largely left Serbia to Croatia and Bosnia they did not share the same origins as the dominant Slavs of Serbia, S. Bosnia, Hercegovina anad Montenegro.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 8, 2009 17:38:46 GMT -5
I am waiting for Anittas answer...and hope he will not turn into that pecheneg denier named leinarius who has left somewhere.
Now I have a question to Novi: since you claim that a Western Bulgarian was unable to understand one from the central part, is the same valid for Serbs?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2009 18:38:16 GMT -5
^ lele Ruse, what do you think my friend?
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