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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 5, 2008 5:06:37 GMT -5
Stop talking s**t. Not everyones situation was the same. Just because you can't handle the truth it doesn't mean that other's didn't suffer for your "good life". For one, half of my family were from Bosna, but left. Clearly you were not present, and would not know. In the years from 1945-1975 how many people left the region? Can you answer that for me and perhaps tell me why they left. Maybe then you can understand why, people just wanted a better opportunity. Why you left is not the problem, its why you broke up the country thats the problem... Ha ha ha ha,,, u can ALWAYS find a better life somewhere else, doesnt mean u have to stur s**t up! My Parents worked in Switzerland before war, they didnt complain, they just went there in seasons because the sallury was better, nothing more nothing less.. But offcourse those Croat nationalist wanted a better life too And i know WERY well how it was before the war, But ey u got it as u wanted it, now how come Croatia isnt so much better now? You wanted it to be better right?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 5, 2008 5:10:57 GMT -5
Please don't offend me of stirring when clearly you start it just to provoke responses. There you go even yours left aswell. Mine wanted to keep their family together so they sailed ship and left. I thank them everyday for this blessing. FYI, many people that left were not nationalist. They just somehow became Croatian in 1991. Cudno nam bilo, pa odakle toliko ljudi all of a sudden.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 5, 2008 5:18:53 GMT -5
Please don't offend me of stirring when clearly you start it just to provoke responses. There you go even yours left aswell. Mine wanted to keep their family together so they sailed ship and left. I thank them everyday for this blessing. FYI, many people that left were not nationalist. They just somehow became Croatian in 1991. Cudno nam bilo, pa odakle toliko ljudi all of a sudden. LOL come on, i left because of the war, my familiy didnt yell BOSNA BOSNA BOSNA 1990!!! Im not provoking, and im not asking why "u" left, im more interessed in why all the sudden people got nationalistic and shit, yes serbs became that to, but they didnt yell independent to Serbia? I see nowdays people say like, you couldnt visit church in SFRJ or mosques., you coudlnt travel bl bla bla, u know thats all BS:....
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 5, 2008 5:23:37 GMT -5
I explained many times why they left and I won't again. Why later some got nationalistic, you will have to ask them that and also then why they became lost in a Yugoslav midset for so many years. People as you know are sheep, and were looking after their own positions and when they realised the system was falling in front of them, they had to join a new one... I don't think that's hard to realise.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 5, 2008 5:53:07 GMT -5
lool Really nice to erase my Post!! Really nice!!!
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 5, 2008 7:17:36 GMT -5
oh God, she said that she left for Australia, not why Croatia voted to leave the Yugoslav Federation....
In case you have not noticed, the SRRJ had an economic crises on their hands, the league of communists of Yugoslavia had divided it self along national lines, with some representatives not knowing what to do, like the one from Bosnia, that was a Serb, and not nationalists, so he couldn't support either Milsoevices graps for power, neither succesion of BiH from the federation..
The SFRJ, had politically fallen apart, and was not functioning, before the time of the succession of Croatia... If Croatia would have been better of as part of some post 90ties Yugoslavia, or as an independent country is speculation, but if you think that Croats just woke up one day and said "we are ustasas we hate Serbs" then you are naive to say the best....
A non functioning political leadership, joined with the economic crises of the early 90ties 89-90-91.... And the deviding on national lines of the SKJ was bound to break up the country.. Seen as Yugoslavia was not a nation state.
One can say that Croatia did the right thing by leaving, non of the states they left behind are working. Politics in Serbia and Bosnia are dominated by bringing up old wounds.. in Bosnia from the recent war, in Serbia Kosovo...
Seen as Croatia is the only state that is not a failed state, if I was a Croat I would have said they did the right thing, seen as BiH and Serbia have done nothing of any use during the last 20 or so years...
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 5, 2008 15:18:22 GMT -5
In case you have not noticed, the SRRJ had an economic crises on their hands, the league of communists of Yugoslavia had divided it self along national lines, with some representatives not knowing what to do, like the one from Bosnia, that was a Serb, and not nationalists, so he couldn't support either Milsoevices graps for power, neither succesion of BiH from the federation.. The SFRJ, had politically fallen apart, and was not functioning, before the time of the succession of Croatia... If Croatia would have been better of as part of some post 90ties Yugoslavia, or as an independent country is speculation, but if you think that Croats just woke up one day and said "we are ustasas we hate Serbs" then you are naive to say the best.... A non functioning political leadership, joined with the economic crises of the early 90ties 89-90-91.... And the deviding on national lines of the SKJ was bound to break up the country.. Seen as Yugoslavia was not a nation state. One can say that Croatia did the right thing by leaving, non of the states they left behind are working. Politics in Serbia and Bosnia are dominated by bringing up old wounds.. in Bosnia from the recent war, in Serbia Kosovo... Seen as Croatia is the only state that is not a failed state, if I was a Croat I would have said they did the right thing, seen as BiH and Serbia have done nothing of any use during the last 20 or so years... We had it really good since WW2 until early 90s, kad prvo sranje pocelo svi hoce da se odcijplje, pa zar nije bolje da rijesimo probleme zajedno nego svako na svoju stranu. I dan danas nismo nista rijesili...
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 5, 2008 15:59:44 GMT -5
nisi procitao dobro moj post, ja sam rekao da je "sranje" pocelo kada se SKJ podjelio po nacijonalnim crtama, a oni su bili vlast te zemlje, isto tako sa strukturama JNA, koji ili nisu znali sta da rade, ili su prelazili u nacijonalne kadrove...
vlast sto je bila u SFRJ od drugog rata se raspala krajem 80tih, pocetkom 90ih... a kada su oni sisli sa scene, preostali su nacijonalisti..
nezelim da imam neku glupu svadu ala "ko je poceo rat" ali mi je fakat smijesno da se ne uzima u obzir, da se vlast te drzave vec raspala..
to, skupa sa ekonomskom krizom, sto u retrospektu na ovo sto imamo danas nije ni bila velika, ja znacilo da se drzava morala raspast, posto je svako "isao svojima", jednostavno nije bio politicki faktor sto bi bio za sacuvanje stare drzave/sistema, ili u svakom slucaju nije imao snage, i kada u zemlji poput Jugoslavije nemas faktor sto nisu nacijonalisti, prije ili kasnije dode do "brato-ubilackog" rata...
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Post by SpartacusUstasa on Oct 5, 2008 17:46:39 GMT -5
Any claims that Croatian forced did crimes during the anti-terrorist operations of the year 1995 are outrageous, and anyone who makes such claims should go jump of a bridge
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Post by MiG on Oct 5, 2008 21:54:17 GMT -5
^ Dude what the fuck is the matter with you. You're such a fucking bigot. ALL forces during the wars committed ethnically based crimes, and you cannot deny that fact, as it can be proven. You're such a damn embarrassment to the modern day Republic of Croatia and her Citizens.
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Post by CiKoLa on Oct 5, 2008 22:08:53 GMT -5
In case you have not noticed, the SRRJ had an economic crises on their hands, the league of communists of Yugoslavia had divided it self along national lines, with some representatives not knowing what to do, like the one from Bosnia, that was a Serb, and not nationalists, so he couldn't support either Milsoevices graps for power, neither succesion of BiH from the federation.. The SFRJ, had politically fallen apart, and was not functioning, before the time of the succession of Croatia... If Croatia would have been better of as part of some post 90ties Yugoslavia, or as an independent country is speculation, but if you think that Croats just woke up one day and said "we are ustasas we hate Serbs" then you are naive to say the best.... A non functioning political leadership, joined with the economic crises of the early 90ties 89-90-91.... And the deviding on national lines of the SKJ was bound to break up the country.. Seen as Yugoslavia was not a nation state. One can say that Croatia did the right thing by leaving, non of the states they left behind are working. Politics in Serbia and Bosnia are dominated by bringing up old wounds.. in Bosnia from the recent war, in Serbia Kosovo... Seen as Croatia is the only state that is not a failed state, if I was a Croat I would have said they did the right thing, seen as BiH and Serbia have done nothing of any use during the last 20 or so years... We had it really good since WW2 until early 90s, kad prvo sranje pocelo svi hoce da se odcijplje, pa zar nije bolje da rijesimo probleme zajedno nego svako na svoju stranu. I dan danas nismo nista rijesili... rijesili smo se vas!
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 5, 2008 22:29:44 GMT -5
rijesili smo se vas!cestitam
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Oct 6, 2008 3:46:45 GMT -5
^ Dude what the f**k is the matter with you. You're such a f**king bigot. ALL forces during the wars committed ethnically based crimes, and you cannot deny that fact, as it can be proven. You're such a damn embarrassment to the modern day Republic of Croatia and her Citizens. LOL haha hes like a Robot MIG Just press play
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 7, 2008 12:07:07 GMT -5
Krajina: Long road home
Hopefully things have improved since then.
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