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Post by vinjak on Nov 18, 2008 15:55:23 GMT -5
18 November 2008 | 20:25 -> 21:00 | Source: Tanjug BELGRADE -- Serbia will file a lawsuit against Croatia for ethnic cleansing and war crimes committed during the so-called Op Storm, FM Vuk Jeremić said late on Tuesday. "Croatia did not appropriately respond to the hand of reconciliation which Serbia repeatedly offered, with a desire to leave the past behind and turn to our common future in Europe. A lawsuit will now be filed against Croatia in order for the truth finally to be found out," the minister told the state television RTS. Jeremić said that Croatia had refused to face the fact that 250,000 ethnic Serbs had been ethnically cleansed from the territory of Croatia in 1995. "We will do all in our power to have our case appropriately presented to the court. We will review all developments in the 20th century, World War II and Independent State of Croatia. We will turn to history to find out the truth for the sake of our common future," the foreign minister stressed. Speaking about the two states' future relations, Jeremić said that Serbia wants the best relations with her neighbors, but that the truth about the crimes committed during Operation Storm must be revealed. "Our common future is the European future. We will turn to history to determine the truth for the sake of our common future," Jeremić said. He explained that the lawsuit will be filed wit the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which today ruled itself competent to take on Croatia's genocide suit against Serbia. Belgrade mulls "counter-suit" Earlier, Serbia's legal representative to the ICJ Tibor Varadi said that Belgrade could sue Croatia for the genocide committed against the Serbs in the last war. The counter-lawsuit must refer to genocide, which is the subject matter of Croatia's legal action against Serbia, since the ICJ is competent to process only for the gravest crimes, Varadi said in a statement to Tanjug. He added that unless the two sides reach an out-of-court settlement, a public debate on the merit of the dispute would follow and the court would then most likely give Serbia a one-year deadline to prepare its defense and possible counter-suit, and the entire procedure might last for at least three years. Varadi said that all objections of the Serbian team had not been rejected, since the court believed that they belonged to the merit of the dispute, rather than the preliminary decision on competence. He said that it was good that the key issue was whether Serbia could be held liable for crimes committed during the armed conflicts before April 27, 1992, when the FR Yugoslavia (SRJ) was still not established as a state. Varadi said that the Serbian legal team had prepared for defense for the past eight years and that it had worked on the counter-suit in parallel. According to this expert, "it would have been good if the court had decided that it was not competent, because it would be politically good and healthy to stop with confrontations and continue determining individual responsibility for crimes committed on all sides". Varadi recalled that Serbia had repeatedly made it very clear that it was ready for an out-of-court settlement, but that Croatia had ignored it and added that it was now Croatia's turn to react. Varadi also revealed that he will no longer head the Serbian legal team, because it was agreed previously that he should deal only with the procedural part of the dispute. Also in Belgrade on Tuesday, Justice Snežana Malović commented on the news out of The Hague by saying that "Serbia's arguments will be accepted and that the final ruling will be in Serbia's favor". She told reporters that that the possibility of a settlement or Serbia's counter-lawsuit will be considered but that a decision on this will be made at a later date. Malović called on political structures of the two countries to reconcile, "because that is one of the main conditions for the European integration of the countries in the region", Tanjug reported. www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=11&dd=18&nav_id=55109
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Nov 18, 2008 16:13:15 GMT -5
Good luck.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 18, 2008 16:20:23 GMT -5
koji cirkus.... Bosna sudila Srbiju = izgubila, Hrvatska sudi srbiju = izgubit ce, Srbija sudi Hrvatsku = Sto posto izgubit ce.. Tako da....
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Post by vinjak on Nov 18, 2008 16:22:44 GMT -5
Political tit for tat.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 18, 2008 16:25:36 GMT -5
The three stooges that created this mess are making some lawyers very happy. What a joke!
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Post by acosrbin on Nov 18, 2008 16:33:01 GMT -5
This is perfect for serbia, serbia would other wise of never sued croatia but now because croatia is suing us with some shitty case that will never win, we can get the truth out, just look at ww2 and the 250000 serbs that got expelled in the recent one. yeah good luck suing us, the prosecuters have just convinced there government to sue serbia for there own benifit, not for there countries.
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Post by ilirdardani on Nov 18, 2008 16:56:27 GMT -5
Wait till Kosovo sues Serbia. lol
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Post by srbobran on Nov 18, 2008 18:24:47 GMT -5
Good God, this is ridiculous.
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Post by Mimi on Nov 18, 2008 20:06:32 GMT -5
yeah i guess everyone deserves to know the truth, everyone needs a realitycheck which Serbia is gonna get. the whole world needs to know who started the whole thing , who was the badguy. goodluck ppl. its no secret that i am on Croatias side and i want to see them win so GO Croatia!!
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Post by acosrbin on Nov 18, 2008 20:13:15 GMT -5
yeah i guess everyone deserves to know the truth, everyone needs a realitycheck which Serbia is gonna get. the whole world needs to know who started the whole thing , who was the badguy. goodluck ppl. its no secret that i am on Croatias side and i want to see them win so GO Croatia!! hey Mimi, how bout you ---edit--
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Post by Mimi on Nov 18, 2008 20:23:48 GMT -5
yeah i guess everyone deserves to know the truth, everyone needs a realitycheck which Serbia is gonna get. the whole world needs to know who started the whole thing , who was the badguy. goodluck ppl. its no secret that i am on Croatias side and i want to see them win so GO Croatia!! hey Mimi, how bout you --edit--- behave lol, thats not how you talk to a lady ;D. hey what did you expect? Serbia is costing us problems and making us feel stressed so its good to know that you will have other things to think about also from now on, a distraction would not hurt lol, if not from us from then from someone else.
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Post by raynon on Nov 18, 2008 20:34:08 GMT -5
Not so..these are Croatia's exact accusations against Serbia: 'Zagreb wants the ICJ to find Serbia guilty of breaching the Convention on Genocide, to order that all the perpetrators should be punished, to order a return of all Croatian cultural property, and to order Serbia to pay war reparations of an amount to be set by the Court. ' Lolol..and you guys want the ICJ to 'find that Kosova's UDI was outside the norms of int'l law. " lolol This is your second trial by another ethnic group your people commited crimes on just bec. they decided to go their own way by way of the legal vote to separate that is in the old yugo constitution. If this one goes against you, you're done. No more del ponte to "black out" your army reports that showed the chain of command of the orders given to paramilitary units and psycho murderers released from serb prisons to go to Croatia to commit all they can agianst Croatian civilians. I do think that this time, Serbia is truly shit out of luck. Esp. since del ponte isn't there to protect her precious tadic and vuk. I think she had sex with tadic and vuk. lolol talk about hitting that with a bat! lolol
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Post by acosrbin on Nov 18, 2008 20:47:52 GMT -5
Not so..these are Croatia's exact accusations against Serbia: 'Zagreb wants the ICJ to find Serbia guilty of breaching the Convention on Genocide, to order that all the perpetrators should be punished, to order a return of all Croatian cultural property, and to order Serbia to pay war reparations of an amount to be set by the Court. ' Lolol..and you guys want the ICJ to 'find that Kosova's UDI was outside the norms of int'l law. " lolol This is your second trial by another ethnic group your people commited crimes on just bec. they decided to go their own way by way of the legal vote to separate that is in the old yugo constitution. If this one goes against you, you're done. No more del ponte to "black out" your army reports that showed the chain of command of the orders given to paramilitary units and psycho murderers released from serb prisons to go to Croatia to commit all they can agianst Croatian civilians. I do think that this time, Serbia is truly s**t out of luck. Esp. since del ponte isn't there to protect her precious tadic and vuk. I think she had sex with tadic and vuk. lolol talk about hitting that with a bat! lolol All sides are have dirt on there hands from war. How can anyone justify removing 250000 people from there land, it can't be done. There was no geonocide, it was simply a war between two sides, Genocide of croatians was never an idea, but to remove 250000 people sounds a whole lot like it. Sure serbs did commit crimes but so did everyone and if anyone has a case to sue anyone for genocide, its the serbs. This case its just way to messy and will go for over 10 years once serbia counter sue. Before it ends im sure there will be another balkans war.
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Post by raynon on Nov 18, 2008 21:11:10 GMT -5
[ All sides are have dirt on there hands from war. . So, why did serbia do this double backtraking with the UCJ's non-competancy for this trial, yet they asked this same court to take their case against the NATO nations that bombed them? lolol...you guys make no sense. No consistency in your arguments with this court's competancy. Here you argued that serbia was under Yugoslavia dominion during the war in Croatia. and Serbia is not guilty of orders made by yugoslavia. Same bullshit you're trying with Kosova. That yugoslavia made those orders against Albanians in the Kosova war, but here, we have the chain of command coming straight from belgrade. And when kosova launches their lawsuit against serbia for crimes against humanity and commiting a form of genocide by ethnically cleansing over half the Albanian population of kosova and burning their citizen papers before leaving kosova, serb leaders will be worried about greater issues than recognizing kosova's independence. With these lawsuits, you'll be lucky to pay your seniors their pensions, if these judges don't take that away from you too, to pay reparations to all the victims of your declared wars on those minority groups. This is how the ICJ sees their competancy in adjudicating in this trial: B92 News Politics Politics 18 November 2008 | 11:39 -> 13:07 | Source: B92, Tanjug BELGRADE, THE HAGUE -- The International Court of Justice has today declared itself competent to handle a lawsuit filed by Croatia against Serbia for charges of genocide. The decision was announced by Court President Rosalyn Higgins, who outlined the reasoning of the 17-member panel of judges. Following today's decision, unless the two sides reach an out-of-court settlement--which seems unlikey--a debate will be held on the nature of the suit on whether genocide was committed in Croatia, and whether Serbia was responsible for it. Serbia will then a have a year to prepare its defense and launch a potential counter-suit against Croatia for genocide against Serbs, for which the Belgrade legal team has already been readying itself. The case would be unlikely to begin for another two years The ICJ rejected Belgrade's argument that the case was outside the Court's purview as Serbia could not be held responsible for crimes perpetrated at a time when the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia did not exist and was not a UN member, and therefore not a signatory of the Convention on Genocide. 10 of the 17 judges voted that the Court was competent to hear the case. The court ruled that although the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia’s status in the UN had been “unclear”, the authorities in Belgrade had recognized the ICJ’s jurisdiction in the Nineties, in responding to Bosnia-Hercegovina and Croatia’s suits and in lodging its own suit against NATO member-states. Under the ruling, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia’s declaration of April 1992, submitted to the UN General Assembly, was tantamount to announcing its assumption of all international commitments stemming from membership of international organizations and conventions, including the Convention on Genocide. As a result, the Court’s jurisdiction in proceedings launched between 1992 and 2000 had been clearly established, Higgins explained. In the suit lodged in 1999, Croatian claimed that Belgrade was responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Croatian citizens, as a form of genocide, because it “directly controlled the activities of its armed forces, intelligence agents and various paramilitary units that perpetrated crimes in Croatia, in the Knin region, and in eastern and western Slavonia and Dalmatia.” The two sides' arguments Belgrade contests the court’s jurisdiction and contends that Serbia cannot be held responsible for crimes perpetrated at a time when the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia did not exist and was not a UN member. However, Zagreb claims that Belgrade had special relations with the UN that included “attributes of membership” and recourse to the ICJ. Should the ICJ declare itself competent, the case would begin. Zagreb wants the ICJ to find Serbia guilty of breaching the Convention on Genocide, to order that all the perpetrators should be punished, to order a return of all Croatian cultural property, and to order Serbia to pay war reparations of an amount to be set by the Court. If the ICJ rules that it is competent to hear the case, Serbia still has the possibility to respond by lodging a counter-action. However, that is a political decision that would have to be taken by the Serbian government, which has still to announce its tactics on the matter. Optimists continue to believe that Belgrade and Zagreb will ultimately reach an out-of-court settlement, which is one of the possible options that Serbia has already unsuccessfully offered to Croatia. Croatia first lodged the genocide suit in 1999. Zagreb called for Serbia to be found guilty of breaching the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide during the 1991-95 war. In recent years, the ICJ has declared itself competent to hear Bosnia-Hercegovina’s case against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and has only once declared a case outwith its jurisdiction—the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia’s suit against NATO member-states over the 1999 air strikes. www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=11&dd=18&nav_id=55092
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Post by CiKoLa on Nov 18, 2008 21:19:36 GMT -5
can u imagine Nazi Germany suing the Allied countries ... ? its incomprehensible.
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Post by bog on Nov 18, 2008 21:48:54 GMT -5
Bosnia should sue Slovenians for beeing such jerk's against us... I know Serbs are into genocides and all that, fair enough, who is not, but at least one can have a bear with you guys. Slovenians are just rude... we should sue them!
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Post by ilirdardani on Nov 18, 2008 22:18:54 GMT -5
Slovenians simply didn't like any Yugoslavians. My cousin who was in the army in early 70s talked about it since they sent him to Slovenia for army duty, and in his group that stuck together, were 2 Albanians, and a couple of Serbs and Bosnians, and he told me how Slovenians would look down upon them, like being less human and whatnot and not deserving to be in their country. They said they had a lot of fights with the Slovenians. lol
My uncle on the other hand, as well as my Grandma lived in Slovenia for 3 years in late 70s, and they had a great time there. So I guess it was both ways.
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 18, 2008 22:20:01 GMT -5
Not to mention the various massacres that happened before Oluja. Though (technically speaking) shouldn't Serb refugees (and not Serbia) be suing Croatia? Regardless, those stupid Muslim politicians should have never opened up this can of BS because now its going to cost loads of money which (ironically) could be spent on helping refugees. can u imagine Nazi Germany suing the Allied countries ... ? its incomprehensible. You can talk, Ustasha.
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Post by karabin on Nov 18, 2008 23:01:58 GMT -5
LOL I am glad that Serbia is going this path. I was already thinking, If Croatia has no shame in taking Serbia to court over "genocide" then why shouldn't Serbia take Croatia to court. After all, Serbia has more reasons to take Croatia to court than the other way around.
Croatians have caused more harm to Serbs than Serb to Croats and I have always been bitter about the fact that Nazi Croatia got away with the genocide they committed against Serbs in Jasenovac during world war 2.
If somebody asked me, which nation in the balkans would you like to see wiped out, croatia would have to be number 1 on my list. I would frequently watch Vukovar attack (rokaj, samo rokaj!!!!) and other parts of croatia that we f**ked up good. Words cannot explain the good feeling that goes through my body watching Croats die. SMRT HRVATIMA!!!! FASISTICKE PICKE!!!!
As far as MIMI goes, well you ---edit---
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Post by ilirdardani on Nov 18, 2008 23:19:33 GMT -5
Someone hopefully suspends that dude for wishing death on people as well as making personal attacks.
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