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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2009 18:37:15 GMT -5
Australian media is pretty messed up too. Everything here is sensationalized or outright faked. In fact I'd say most if not all mainstream media is the same. Best place for news is the internet (and Illyria).
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 19:38:54 GMT -5
You're an idiot zadnji I wasn't comparing anyone to the nazi's and in any case this is a Serb not a Croat being tried so keep to the topic. Oh yes let's blame the media for everything...that same media that was flooding Serbian airwaves with so called Croat propaganda that made Serbs scared in Croatia...get a grip people.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2009 19:42:52 GMT -5
It was Croat pogroms against Serbs in Dalmatia and Zagreb that made Serbs scared, not the "Serbian media".
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 19:50:21 GMT -5
Sure whatever, and it was the cetniks singing unforgivable songs around Vukovar that made us finally stand up for ourselves.
Keep to the topic. The hearing continues.
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Post by radovic on Apr 21, 2009 19:54:09 GMT -5
It was Croat pogroms against Serbs in Dalmatia and Zagreb that made Serbs scared, not the "Serbian media". It was Tudjman going abroad to collect money for HDZ and along the way taking pictures with Ustashe like Dinko Sakic and doing interviews with newspapers titled NDH in Canada. It's like how as Brian Hall mentioned in his book "The Impossible Country" the Serbian politician Croats most despised in those days was not Slobo but Draskovic & the cabal around him. The fact that Tudjman won more then 2/3's of seats, was doing this probably did more then anything Serbian media allegedly did. Plus, who says Croatian media wasn't doing the same thing.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2009 20:05:29 GMT -5
Sure whatever, and it was the cetniks singing unforgivable songs around Vukovar that made us finally stand up for ourselves. Keep to the topic. The hearing continues. The pogroms happened long before Vukovar, zenska glavo. And don't forget that it was crimes against Serb civilians in and around Vukovar that led to the massacre of Croat POWs. Serbs have never initiated, always reacted. Too bad, says I. Perhaps if Serbs were willing to level Zagreb for the sake of Yugoslavian unity then men like Tudjman wouldn't have had the balls to start a war.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 20:08:42 GMT -5
It wasn't that either radovic. It was time to declare independance, any many saw opportunity to become leaders of the new Croatia and Serbia so they wanted it even more so, but for the wrong reasons. Croatian media had nothing to do with it, they wern't spreading propaganda to Croats in Serbia to wager war on innocent people.
I'd love to see these programs lol...enough to send in Yugoslav tanks and as I said above wager war on innocent people?
You clearly are sick in the head if you believe Serbia reacted to it and not start/provoke it. Really, really sick to think we would start a war in our own country under the guise of Yugoslavia...You clearly are once again sick.
So why didn't you level Zagreb? You could have as there was enough ammo to flatten the whole usrani balkans in 10 days. So why if we started it didn't we cop it big then? You can't answer that can you?
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2009 20:23:06 GMT -5
It wasn't that either radovic. It was time to declare independance, any many saw opportunity to become leaders of the new Croatia and Serbia so they wanted it even more so, but for the wrong reasons. Croatian media had nothing to do with it, they wern't spreading propaganda to Croats in Serbia to wager war on innocent people. What propaganda was Serbian media spreading and why did it affect Croats in Croatia so badly? I had no idea Croats were such sensitive people. I'd love to see these programs lol...enough to send in Yugoslav tanks and as I said above wager war on innocent people? Since when is any member of the HVO an innocent person? It's all fair game. If it has a gun and it isn't wearing your colours then shoot it. No hesitations. No exceptions. You clearly are sick in the head if you [don't] believe [that] Serbia reacted to it and not start/provoke it. Fixed that for you. Really, really sick to think we would start a war in our own country under the guise of Yugoslavia...You clearly are once again sick. Croats call the war the "Croatian War of Independence" so it must have been initiated by the Croat rebels otherwise there wouldn't have been a war for independence. And RSK was formed as a reaction to Croatia, remember that. So why didn't you level Zagreb? You could have as there was enough ammo to flatten the whole usrani balkans in 10 days. So why if we started it didn't we cop it big then? You can't answer that can you? Because Serbia wasn't willing to send soldiers in order to reinforce VRSK. Serb soldiers were outnumbered by Croat soldiers around 3:1. What are they going to do? You can't win a war with artillery alone.
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Post by radovic on Apr 21, 2009 20:42:48 GMT -5
It wasn't that either radovic. It was time to declare independance, any many saw opportunity to become leaders of the new Croatia and Serbia so they wanted it even more so, but for the wrong reasons. Croatian media had nothing to do with it, they wern't spreading propaganda to Croats in Serbia to wager war on innocent people. Lol. So media informing Serbs of Tudjman interviews with NDH newspaper once based in Toronto and off praising Dinko Sakic in Argentina are calls to arms. I guess the fact that Spegelj was in January 1991 taped talking of arming Croats for seperation was a Serbian provocation.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 21, 2009 21:01:45 GMT -5
Was just about to bring Spegelj up. The Cro govt said back then that was a doctered video even though recently Mesic said it was authentic.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 23:42:41 GMT -5
"What propaganda was Serbian media spreading and why did it affect Croats in Croatia so badly? "
You are clearly your own worst enemy and Serbs in general didn't deserve what a few pollies up top and a few people like yourself wanted. A greater Serbia and loosing Yugoslavia. That's why you are still upset and deny all you want. The truth is there.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 22, 2009 0:44:22 GMT -5
You offer me no examples so I will assume that there are no examples.
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Post by Username on Apr 22, 2009 0:57:16 GMT -5
You're a funny guy Zadnji.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 22, 2009 3:34:14 GMT -5
And RSK was formed as a reaction to Croatia, remember that.
Clearly not the case. It was formed to create a greater serbia together with the rs (BiH). Why do you think that Martic rejected the so called Z4 plan. Their aim was to simply annex it to serbia.
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Post by Anthologic on Apr 22, 2009 4:28:45 GMT -5
I noticed that after a while illyria you stopped responding with facts/sources but with a rethorical "That's why you are still upset and deny all you want. The truth is there. "
What's up with that? Can't you google search info to rebute "I guess the fact that Spegelj was in January 1991 taped talking of arming Croats for seperation was a Serbian provocation. "
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 22, 2009 5:56:35 GMT -5
^^ Illyria is very much on the money.
Milosevic is 1989 at a mass rally of his supporters mainly serbs stated that he would defend yugoslavia ... by force if necessary.
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Post by radovic on Apr 22, 2009 8:16:06 GMT -5
^^ Illyria is very much on the money. Milosevic is 1989 at a mass rally of his supporters mainly serbs stated that he would defend yugoslavia ... by force if necessary. Except it wasn't a mass rally of his Serbs. It was a mass rally commemorating 600 years of the Battle of Kosovo and in the time preceding that, few months, their had been a Yugoslav crackdown on Albanian seperatist activities <-- something all the republics supported, although at the time the Slovenian public was the only one agasinst it. And a few years before 1990 everyone who destroyed Yugoslava was probably singing "Druze Tito Mi Ti Se Kunemo?"
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 22, 2009 10:19:06 GMT -5
It's because we were arming for fucking defence you idiots in reponse to Milosevic. I have nothing more to say about it because I'm about to fly off the handle and I don't want to get banned here or anything.
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Post by radovic on Apr 22, 2009 10:36:39 GMT -5
It's because we were arming for f**king defence you idiots in reponse to Milosevic. I have nothing more to say about it because I'm about to fly off the handle and I don't want to get banned here or anything. Because the following jewel clearly refers to Slobo: We are going to use all resources. We're going to use weapons as well. Serbs in Croatia will never be there again for as long as we are there and we hope until now too their supremacy is a thing of the past. Their Knin will never be Knin again. We are going to enter Knin too. Knin has to disappear as Knin. All Croats should bear this in mind and we are going to create a state created at all costs, if necessary, at the cost of shedding blood. When the tapes came out the `provocatgions`` consisted of road blocks in Dalmatia.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 22, 2009 10:44:44 GMT -5
It's because we were arming for f**king defence you idiots in reponse to Milosevic. I have nothing more to say about it because I'm about to fly off the handle and I don't want to get banned here or anything. You weren't arming for shit because you were in Australia at the time. And you have no reason to be so emotional about this. "The Chetniks singing songs in Vukovar finally made us stand up for ourselves". Jesus Christ, you are seriously pathetic!
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