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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 1, 2009 4:57:15 GMT -5
Tell me what shall you do with culture if you are enslaved?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 5:32:56 GMT -5
Tell me what shall you do with culture if you are enslaved? the Cretan mind under Turks/Venecians/etc.. was much more free than our mind today. Also i dont believe that we stopped being "enslaved". From turks we were transfered to our new owners, the west. No leader, no power has ever given a damned about Hellenism since 2000 years now... I envision a new Hellenism, full of technical ability, science, arts, FORMALITY, ALL IN STRICT GREEK language, to write poems about rivers and towns, and ... to start loving life, as Tyhon the Russian said. The effort to "unify" all races of Byzantium of todays greece (vlahs/arbos/etc...), was a bastardization which almost killed our language....
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 1, 2009 6:04:35 GMT -5
Yes but that was most probably the only way to gain independence. And our language wasnt killed because of them. If you look very very few words in our lexica are of arvanite or vlach origin. Most of the nongreek words are of turkish origin. So your conclusion is wrong and just shall lead to hostility towards these two groups...your way of thinking is absurd. Regarding Vlachs and Arvanites you are totally hostile, but when its about Slavs you start to equate them with the Greeks while there is obviously zero commonness between them. You are just saying it because of personal interest...because you want to deal in this (your) way with the fact that your wife is not Greek...and your children half-greeks. Instead of saying that it doesnt matter where your wife comes from you are turning much more a nationalist...but simultaneously you are losing all of you credibility because its too obvious that your conclusion on slav-greek relations are just personal-motivated and not in the least scientific. No one will follow your ideas, no one, because first of all they are completely unfounded (and dont tell me now I shall travel to these regions and read books...please dont tell me that) and secondly there are too few Greeks like you in order to make your views- despite the fact that they are unscientific- a rule. With other words no one has at that an interest to make such a propaganda.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 6:29:59 GMT -5
Greek (treho) Serb (Trcim)
Trexo Trcim Trexeis Trcis Trexei Trci Trexome Tricimo Trexete Trcite Trexoun Trce
Greek (Dino-Dido) Serb (Dajem)
Dino Dajem Dineis Dajes Dinei Daje Dinome Dajemo Dinete Dajete Dinoun Daje
Doro=Dar Zelja=Zhlos(Zhlia) (Zelim, Zelis, Zeli, ktl...)
Ilh (sta arxaia = Pedio, xwrafi) = Il sta Rwssika
and many many many many more, on which of course none or few "scientific" papers exist, because maybe the results would be unnecessary or even annoying...
PS Generally Kastor, in life, you should follow the rules: 1)NEVER BS OUT OF YOUR ASS WHEN YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON AN ISSUE. 2)NEVER ATTACK OTHER PPL PERSONALLY, CAUSE IT SUCKS (and does not work) 3) ALWAYS TRY TO BE A SCIENTIST YOURSELF, BEFORE ANY OTHER.
Some more for you
1 Jedan (=greek) 2 Dva (=greek) 3 Tri (=greek) 4 Cetiri (=greek) 5 Pet (=greek) 6 Sest (=like kinda Germanic) 7 Sedam (=like kinda Germanic) 8 Ocam (=like kinda Germanic) 9 Devet 10 Decet (=greek)
I expect to show me some kind of albo-greco connection if you think it is bigger than the Greco-Slav connection.
Thank you (for your failure ;D)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 6:56:07 GMT -5
Some more as they come to my head:
Kraj=Akri=Akra=Akria Krajina=Akrtiki Ukrajina (Oykrania)=Sthn Akritiki
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Post by donnie on Jun 1, 2009 7:33:53 GMT -5
Those are the result of both languages being Indoeuropean (cognates) and the fact that you've lived next to each other for centuries (influence, loan words). Not because of some lost "blood" kinship.
Albanian, being an Indeuropean language as well, contains words that are cognate with words in Slav and Greek as well.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 7:34:20 GMT -5
Zivot = Zoi Zo Zivim Zeis Zivis Zei Zivi Zoume Zivimo Zeite Zivite Zoun Ziviju
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 1, 2009 8:08:50 GMT -5
Where exactly is here the similarity? The first two common letters? Mysia, is it you?
Where are those many many words, the two words you suggested seem to rather sound by chance similarly.
ad 1): Then start with yourself.
ad 2): I did not attack you personally but just advised you of the reason for your thinking which obviously is simply self-centered.
ad 3): You mean I shall talk out of my arse? Why does it not surprise me that this advice is coming from you...
As Donnie already said most of the few similar words are either due do the common indoeuropean root or they developed due to mutual influences. You cant say the German word "ist" or the albanian "esht" or "isht" are of Greek origin because we say "esti"...your examples are dilettantish. The bad thing about you Pyrro is your boundless arrogance, you are unteachable because your views are as I already said bound on your personal and private well-being. You not only make totally arbitrary conclusions but the worst thing is you are incapable of thinking scientific. You are a hopeless case thats why I dont want to argue with you, its just in vain and makes zero fun because you make someone lose his faith in man's reason.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 8:09:54 GMT -5
All i said we are closer to Slavs than Albos.
Now show what you got. (homework)
upto now the only thing you contributed was the verb "esti" and its connection with alb (which is rather vlah-roman influenced than greek)
SHOW WE ARE CLOSER TO ALBS THAN SLAVS LINGUISTICALLY.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 1, 2009 8:13:55 GMT -5
1. You didnt prove anything, your examples are no valid examples. I lack to see the similarities.
2. I dont speak albanian.
3. The Albanians are most probably descendants of the ancient Illyrians, we are closer to them than to Serbs and generally Slavs alone because of the older neighborhood to them. Like it or not..
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Post by donnie on Jun 1, 2009 8:14:04 GMT -5
Nice Pyrros. Why the need to delete what I wrote if you're a man of "science" and "truth"? Empirically speaking, those who've exercised censorship have done so because they did not have the truth on their side. It's one thing if my posts contained profanities, ethnic slurs or personal attacts. But they didn't.
I erased your posts not due to the unquestionable lack of substance but because you failed to respect your host.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 1, 2009 8:15:31 GMT -5
Tell me what shall you do with culture if you are enslaved? the Cretan mind under Turks/Venecians/etc.. was much more free than our mind today. Also i dont believe that we stopped being "enslaved". From turks we were transfered to our new owners, the west. No leader, no power has ever given a damned about Hellenism since 2000 years now... I envision a new Hellenism, full of technical ability, science, arts, FORMALITY, ALL IN STRICT GREEK language, to write poems about rivers and towns, and ... to start loving life, as Tyhon the Russian said. The effort to "unify" all races of Byzantium of todays greece (vlahs/arbos/etc...), was a bastardization which almost killed our language.... I agree w/ Pyrros on this...and its not because im half slav. But because he is right...this is what needs to happen. +1
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 8:59:55 GMT -5
Thanx man, by recursion i am half slav (=ancient greek) myself...
I think that slavs are like the germanics if we subtract lust for power and money!
Strangely, there are a lot of "elinares" (God make them so) who would feel closer to any albanian rather than a Serb or Cretan.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 1, 2009 9:07:30 GMT -5
yeah...its probably just because they met or know more albanians then they did serbs or cretans. I live in greece for 10 years and I never had an opportunity to meet a serb. Only in the states we had some serbian kids that we used to hang around with...but that was long ago. Besides back then we were all " americans ".
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 9:27:01 GMT -5
Man, my own mother/father would not listen when i talked about the superiority of Cretan culture. They started talking about vendetas, etc... which is 1% of what Crete is about. At El Vel Airport, i told to my dad to go to the delicatesen - greek products store, and count how many are from Epiros/Thessaly/Makedonia/Sterea/ktll and how many from Crete... The difference in production was huge.... I mean we cannot even trademark our Galotyri in Epiros!! Come on, guys, set a f**king standard, standardize the funker, bring up some quality tests, define the product, hold a patent or smth, and then sell it massively... learn from Crete....
Whenever i tell my dad, about the 100's of Cretan food small businesses with outstanding quality, he just replies with "Kotopoula Pindou" and kotopoula Artas. LMAO!! Just like Kastor!! Same brains!
He keeps on denying everything that proves our emptiness, at times he speaks about EU, like Ioan, etc...
What can i say
Jealousy and Ignorance are real b1tches.
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Post by donnie on Jun 1, 2009 11:02:37 GMT -5
And respect in this case means what exactly? Agreeing with you? If "lack of respect" trully was your motive, even though there was nothing disrespectful in my posts (I made sure of it, suspecting you might push the delete button), you could've just edited out the parts you saw as "disrespectful" ... not delete everything, including your own posts, just to cover your tracks. Oh well ...
LOL. Is this some reverse "ubermenschen" vs "untermenschen" rhetorics? Because it surely sounds like it.
you used the word nonsense or smth similar while addressing the mod of this forum, thus showing direct disrespect to the very forum, i doubt a similar sentence of mine would stay untouched in whichever forum you are granted mod status
I delete my own posts, for the sake of integrity and coherence. Now google for those terms, in case you dont know their meaning.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 1, 2009 13:15:39 GMT -5
Slavs are like Germanics. Except without skills, intelligence, creativeness, culture, honor, any quality whatsoever. Ah, hell, Slavs are like Germans without anything that makes Germans a people of quality.
edited-- no ethnic insults please.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 1, 2009 14:18:52 GMT -5
In the Pan-Slav union of 1848 at St. Petersburg (lol, note the name) all the Slavs couldnt agree on a single kind of Slavic dialect to speak during the whole thing. Eventually it was decided to just speak German.
Lol @ Slavic culture.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 1, 2009 15:11:10 GMT -5
DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLES, ÜBER ALLES IN DER WELT!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2009 22:47:51 GMT -5
Kastoriane, only Greek or English please, no german,kongolese,chechen,etc... languages are supposed to be allowed here, remember?
Toskaliu, wanna put side by side the achievements VS slaughterings of each group and try to assess the level of positive or negative contribution of each ethnic group to our world?
I agree in the germanics to put their puppets (scands + holland) that would be pretty fair!
I think that If we take the Slavs, and remove fun of life, laughter, tolerance, compassion, heart, sympathy, and add blood thirst, gayness, greed, homicidal tendencies then we take the germanics.
Our recent history shows that clearly, only complete idiots fail to see that.
Also we should take into account that Germos are very good at advertising (propaganda). Many ppl know "MAN" the truck company, but few ppl know "Kamaz" which continously wins Paris_Dakar rally. Many ppl know Swan the dirty pork meat from Holland, few ppl know Zlatiborac, which is 1000000000 times better. Many ppl know the History of Porsche which was founded in 1930, but few ppl know that in the roads of Sumadija around Kragujevac, Serbs drove their OWN MADE vehicles since .... 1905......
As examples in the computer world, many ppl seem to know "Photoshop" but few know "the Gimp", many bimbos use microsoft windows, only few real men know that the safest-stablest OS is FreeBSD and have the guts to use it, and the list of gayness vs smartness goes on forever...
PS In short what the germos + anglos have done to our countries in the balkans is to hit violently the best, and to create isolation among the rest. That way they control us completely.
Kastor, do you like up there in Germany? LMAO
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