Libofshe
"first off, just because it suits your country's political agenda"
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Libofshe my country's political agenda can be understood even from the most stupid person in the world.
Its crystal clear Greece wants peace in Balkans. The best way to end up an enemy of everybody in Greece if you're Greek.. is just speaking for the "lost Greek lands".
Even that organization for the freedom of N.Epirus were jailed in 10 seconds. Its the only time Greek authorities arrested a gang in such a small timeline.
If Balkan nation followed the state of mind Greece is now... then Balkans would have been like Skandinavia...
Greece has a friendly agenda... to the ones who want to be friends ofcourse..
For example, Italy and Germany, countries that have done a big harm to Greeks... today it is imposed from Greek government a mass amnesia to Greeks. That is how Greeks work. "lets forget and move forward". There is no aggressive agenda in Greece.
Greece does not act. Greece just react.
"to say that Chams were affiliated with Nazi's doesn't make it so, its just a convenient thing to say in order to justify the greek injustices committed against albanian population"
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Now do you want to talk with me seriously or just bla bla bla.
Chams were affiliated to Nazis in a big extend. Chams were pointing with fingers many local Greeks to Ghestabo. Chams took many pieces of land from Greek "gorillas" who were executed from Ghestabo after the Chams pointed fingers on them. Thats a fact written down with names and events. Dont make me search again for it.
I think that only Bali-Competar by itself is enough.
And dont forget.... Greeks who dared to point fingers to other Greeks ended up in hanging from trees after Germans left. Do you believe that Chams would be more lucky with this?
"...what was the reason the greek state started renaming places,"
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Renaming a renamed place... is not renaming. Is back to the initial name.
If Instabul becomes Greek... and Greeks rename it Konstantinoupoli then we dont speak about rename. We speak about rename of the renamed one.
"assimilating albanians forcecully,"
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Even if we accept that as true... then why do you attack Greeks and not Americans who made "Giannis Papadopoulos" becoming "John Papas" and "Giorgos Michailidis" to "George Michael" ?
Isnt it a forcefully assimilation to the WASP culture or you're not authorised to speak about the American friends of yours.
Listen dude... "forcefully" assimilation happens in every country of the world even today even to your beloved ones. With different means everytime.
"banning albanian as a language"
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If you speak about Arvanitika then...nothing was banned. It was just dont pushed forward. I mean.. when a nation of many isolated people and many dialects like Arvanitika, Cretan, Cyrpiot or even the ones from villages, becomes a... country... it need to commounicate in one and crystal clear language.
Unfortunately.. .even for me as a Macedonian... thats the Attic dialect. Thats a compromise you have to make in order to be an organized country.
In your house you can speak whatever you want... but dont you ever expect from National TV to hear the dialect you speak in your village. Additionaly, immigrating to the city, makes even you forget the language you were speaking in your village.
Thats the price we all pay to globalism.
"taking their land,"
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The lost their land. Nobody took it from them. The Law is clear on this issue; "A collaborator looses all his money". Many Greek collaborators lost their land too..
"shipping them off to turkey"
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None shipped them! They "dissapeared", for obvious reasons, the moment Germans started retreating from Epirus.
Greeks from Asia Minor were not "shipped" to Greece. They dissapeared when Greek army started retreating from Asia Minor. At least some who were fast and smart enough.
That is how it works. Fear is enough to move populations.
"and generally wiping out all trace of albania way before the Nazis came to be?"
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? First time I hear about that...
"its pure and clear propaganda that has been fed into you at an early age, "
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When a nation feeds propaganda against another nation... usually hate is the result and I dont remember Greeks hating Albanians before the crimes commited from the economic immigrants..
Do you want to tell me that Greek authorities started a propaganda against Albanians.... but not with hate inside that propaganda? How can that happen?
"i do not deny that a part of the cham population did ally with the nazis....but there was a higher number of Chams that fought alongside greeks against the nazis my misguided friend...but you chose to deny that, not deny per se....distort the facts more like, you call them hellenised albanians, arvanites or some other term to create a smokescreen,"
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To speak the trouth... I give a sh.it what these people are. BUT... I dont like when others, ie: Albanians, are telling THEM what they are... despite THEIR will.
In other words... why me... a Macedonian... and you... an Albanian... speaking about... an Arvaniti? Should be he the one who do the talking for.. himself?
Since he supports he is Greek... then how you or me can deny that to him? He knows better from both of us. Only another Arvaniti like Arisitidi Kolia can say something different from him... and people like Kolia represent only 1% of the Arvaniti population.
So.... let Arvanites do the talking...
"as far as epirus, what greeks did was ethnic cleansing it its most cruel form...."
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Dont you think that you overeact a little bit?
You have no idea what ethic cleansing means. Ask Greeks from Asia Minor and Armenians. We speak about rivers of blood... not just 10-20 hanged collaborators.
Chams were really lucky. The escaped WITH the Germans. The only thing they lost was land. Show some respect to us, the Armenians and the Jews dude when you speak about ethnic cleasing... Cool down..
"but we simply have to concede that its a dead issue and move on. "
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that is what Greece is doing with every neighbor and every issue.
We tend even to forget the Asia Minor and Pontos cleansings from Turks. I think is time your govent to do it too since its the only way to move forward.
PS. ....of course... if Americans allow you to move forward from your past... You know... they have different agenda from the Greeks.. and their agenda is more new states with more American bases in Balkans.