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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 31, 2007 20:14:09 GMT -5
please explain your self.
in the message you send me you write "stop sending me messages".
what kind of a joke is that?
what kind of messages am i suposed to send you...
i simply DONT send you ANY messages...
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Post by rex362 on Dec 31, 2007 20:24:10 GMT -5
yea....also stop sending me messages .....your nasty ...oh and my favorite color is red & black
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Post by kasso on Jan 1, 2008 10:34:23 GMT -5
leandros nikon
you heard Rexy, stop sending us messages
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Post by rex362 on Jan 1, 2008 11:39:07 GMT -5
Kasso ...are you wearing any underwear ?
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Post by leandros nikon on Jan 1, 2008 12:27:18 GMT -5
strange humor...anyway,i love the colors of sky and the sea...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 1, 2008 12:44:03 GMT -5
dry humor ...
red & black is where its AT rap-a-tat-tat
white and blue is not true and a happy new year to you
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Post by rex362 on Jan 1, 2008 12:57:19 GMT -5
Your a Greek who thinks your sleek but you seek to sneak bcs you think your mystique but your just a geek who thinks he's antique but your not that meek thats why I'm here to critique
the wine is still working ;D HNY...
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 1, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
Kasso.... how's that boy you wrote to me about ?You know you have to pass him through Rex first..he will give you the official okay..then...
Oh..I nearly forgot don't tell him you have been salivating over Fan Noli...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 1, 2008 13:05:01 GMT -5
I can understand that ....he has nice skin ...basicly Pelasgian grade AAA
How much you have to $pend ? its not cheap ...
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Post by grksdied4you on Jan 1, 2008 23:28:30 GMT -5
Kasso, Why have you sent me messages?
You wrote "Albanians died for you" and "Arvanites mean Albanian." Don't you have a kindergarten class to lecture about the meaning of Albanian? I don't know about you but I think the Arvanites can decide if they are Greek or not. For me I just don't care what they declare themselves. I am American and have never met an Arvanite nor do I care to. So please waste someone else's time.
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Post by kasso on Jan 2, 2008 7:21:50 GMT -5
grksdied4you,
the Arvanite people are Albanians and their history is part of the Albanian history, their culture and their language is Albanian!
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Post by grksdied4you on Jan 2, 2008 8:47:27 GMT -5
Kasso,
Are you trying to provoke me? This is not an issue that I care to concern myself with. Kasso, I hear your kindergarten class calling you!
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Post by kasso on Jan 2, 2008 9:59:05 GMT -5
grksdied4you,
you are so childish, you belong to the kindergarten
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Post by grksdied4you on Jan 2, 2008 16:14:49 GMT -5
Kasso,
Do you want a detention? Do you want me to keep you after class and fully Hellenize you?
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Post by grksdied4you on Jan 2, 2008 16:15:58 GMT -5
Maybe you can find yourself an Arvanite girlfriend and that way maybe you will leave the big bad Greek men alone.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 2, 2008 18:13:00 GMT -5
You consider them albanians Arvanites are Greeks in our viens flows greek blood 1821 Greek War of Independence the Arvanites together with the other Greeks fought against the Turkalbanians and Albanians to Liberate Greece from the stinky rates write it in your brain you d*mn !!!
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Post by kasso on Jan 3, 2008 13:23:31 GMT -5
kartadolofonos,
Do you know what the word "Arvanites" means? Albanian, and that's what they are. But they are, however, almost fully assimilated and extinct.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 3, 2008 16:27:46 GMT -5
Or another argument can be made. Arvanite (who speak an archaic form of Albanian as far as I know) came from a different time frame into Greece from what is now called Albania. "In many instances the Arvanites were invited by the Byzantine and Latin rulers of the time. They were employed to re-settle areas that had been largely depopulated through wars, epidemics and other reasons, and they were employed as soldiers." nameIf the case is that Byzantines invited them to resettle parts of Greece it must be because Byzantines did not see them as a foreign element (meaning non-Greek, irregardless whether they spoke non-greek language) otherwise why invite people whose allegiance might be questionable. Byzantines were eastern Romans or rather Romans(ized Greeks) who were Greek in everything but the name Roman. Their center of gravity was Constantinople and their culture was fully Hellenic as far as language goes by the time Arvanite movement came into play in 13 century. "The Byzantine Empire or Byzantium is the historiographical term conventionally used since the 19th century to describe the Greek-speaking Roman Empire of the Middle Ages, centered on its capital of Constantinople. It is also known as the Eastern Roman Empire, although this name is more commonly used when referring to the time which preceded the fall of the Western Roman Empire. During much of its history it was known to many of its Western contemporaries as the Empire of the Greeks because of the dominance of Greek language, culture and population.[3] To its inhabitants, the Empire was simply the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασίλειον Ῥωμαίων) and its emperors continued the unbroken succession of Roman emperors. In the Islamic world it was known primarily as روم (Rûm, land of the "Romans")." link"In any case, the changeover was gradual and by 330, when Constantine inaugurated his new capital, the process of hellenization and increasing Christianization was already under way." link"Before this, the Empire was described by Western Europeans as Imperium Graecorum (Empire of the Greeks)—Byzantine claims to Roman inheritance had been actively contested from at least the time of the coronation of Charlemagne as Imperator Augustus by Pope Leo III in 800. Whenever the Popes or the rulers of the West wanted to make use of the name Roman to refer to the Byzantine emperors, they preferred the term Imperator Romaniæ instead of Imperator Romanorum, a title reserved only for Charlemagne and his successors.[6]" link"Heraclius was the first emperor to replace the traditional Latin title for his office (Augustus) with the Greek Basileus (Βασιλεύς).[36] This shift from Latin to Greek finds a parallel in the contemporary abandonment of Latin in official documents." linkTherefore it is clear that the western Europeans (site of original Rome) viewed them as Greeks and not as authentic Romans (perhaps they viewed them as usurpers of Roman name), the world that was fully hellenic in language and in regions which were previously Hellenic in language thus clear continuation (and rejection of Latin over Greek). ----------------- In addition "The withdrawal of massive amounts of troops from the Balkans to combat the Persians and then the Arabs in the east opened the door for the gradual southward expansion of Slavic peoples into the peninsula, and, as in Anatolia, many cities shrank to small fortified settlements." Also, explains how Thrace and Illyria fell easily underm slavs where populations become gradually slavized over centuries and which become cemented with crusades with have irreversibly weakened Byzantines and made them relatively easy pray for Turks and unabled Serbia to secede from Byzantines. ingenious approach Emperor Heraclius once intercepted a message from Persian rival Khosrau II which ordered the execution of a general. Heraclius added 400 names to the message and diverted the messenger, provoking a rebellion by those on the list. The emperor maintained a stable of pretenders to almost every foreign throne. link"From the 7th century to the 11th century the Byzantine Army was among the most powerful and effective military forces - neither Dark Age Europe nor the fracturing Caliphate could match the strategies and the efficiency of the Byzantine army that allowed it to fight with fewer resources. With one of the most powerful economies in the world at the time the Empire had the resources to put to the field a powerful host when needed."
linkAgain, I highly doubt that a state so well run would make mistakes such as allowing non-greeks (or rather inviting thus on their own accord) to settle Greece.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 3, 2008 16:31:34 GMT -5
The fact that there is a nationality today called Albanians (not even 100 years old as such) surely has no bearing on events back from 13 century. If anything reverse parallels could be made.
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Post by donnie on Jan 3, 2008 17:12:09 GMT -5
The Byzantines did not see themselves as 'Greeks', i.e. Hellenes, but as 'Romioi' (Romans). Such was the contempt for Hellenism that some Byzantines even publically denounced their Greekness, such as bishop Jenidis who solemnly declared "I am Christian, not Greek" (quote from Aristidh Kola's book). The Byzantines primary concern was religion; religious affiliation was important to them. The Arvanites who came and settled Greece were very much Albanian, just as Dusan and his men were Serbs; they spoke Albanian, called themselves Arbëror (medieval Albanian selfdesignation) and their language Arbërishte. Their geographic proximity and reputation as fierce warriors were the primary reasons for their invitation. Not their alleged 'Greekness'. Not to mention that alot of these medieval Albanians came as intruders, not always necessarely invited, as in Thessaly.
The Byzantines during their late period were a in a shrinking state, being more and more weakened by external pressure and internal fractures. They hired all sorts of ethnic and religious elements who's allegiance could be questioned; everything from Catholic Catalans to Muslim Turks. Orthodox Albanians were just one group amongst many others.
Could you evaluate a little? Which criterias do you use to judge a nation's 'age'? And how old are your Serbs when using such criterias? And additionally, what is your definition of 'nation'?
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