Post by meltdown711 on Dec 7, 2008 22:51:58 GMT -5
The NY times articles of this time are pretty interesting and show a number of viewpoints (other articles show the damages done by Greek irregulars who were slaughtering Albanian Muslim peasants in the south) but ultimately unreliable. They are given to biased sources (who are the only ones interested in supplying news) and dont know which exactly to value. Nearly all the articles have a problem or two. its why i also don't like when Albs use them as sources.
They dont have actual reporters their so their sources are third party. Mostly those who have a particular interest in the area. Whether from an Albanian side, Greek side, Turkish side. So in one article you have a complete contradiction of the other... without any reconciliation.
I just found it to be an interesting source because it is definitely an old one and it is from the New York Times. Good stuff.
It is a good article and is a very reliable one, regardless what our Albanian friends say. I have seen this article before, we've debated it before else where and is accurate.
They go against anyone who disagrees with them, once John Wilkes who is the formost Illyrian historian used to be their favourite. Since new data showing he proved their Illyrian connection was a myth, now they don't like him, then there is Miranda Vickers who they loved then once again when more of her works were shown that went against their agendas now they don't like her either list keeps growing every time.
Have you read all of Wilkes? He doesnt ever state that Albanians arent Illyrians, he even uses the Albanian language to translate Illyrian placenames such as Ulcin, Dardania and Dalmatia. He is rightfully critical of the claims of direct ancestry, which I don't believe either. There is a big break between both people. His claim of Albs being "small and dark", however, has problems in it since... well... if you take a small trip around Tirana youll very quickly see thats not the case.
You, on the otherhand, are eager to believe anything that promotes your agenda to the smallest extent. This article was written as a reply to another by a man who was shown to be biased. His very books were one-sided looks so as to buy western support for his agenda. Every time he writes he does so with a particular aim, that gives away bias in a writer. A reporter should have no partisanships...
Yea, a man who had been throwing slurs at Albanians for decades, calling for its division between Serbia and Greece. Attacking Albs as "not capable of holding a state together" thus denying them their right to statehood... this is a very very reliable source.
Last Edit: Dec 8, 2008 1:54:24 GMT -5 by panagiotopoulos
Melty my agenda is to defend my Hellenic history and culture, after all I am a Greek with a magnificent history and culture to which we have jealous neighbours with inferior complexities, as far as I am concerned keep the Illyrians I don’t care anymore. Try and prove it to others though.
“ The unexamined life is not worth living " Socrates
“Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle.” - Aeschylus - (Father of T
Melty my agenda is to defend my Hellenic history and culture, after all I am a Greek with a magnificent history and culture to which we have jealous neighbours with inferior complexities,
An ass can be born into a land with the greatest of histories... it doesnt change the fact that he is an ass... In fact he will come out as a bigger ass when he prances around showing off to others. Nobody is jealous nor have any inferiority complexes and the issue never revolved around such things. It revolved around the reliability of a journalist who spent a life time around his national agenda, doing them through the belittlement of other ethnic groups for this purpose. Cassavetes represents the most biased of writers on this issue since he used any single case and twisted it to suit his wishes regarding the region...
as far as I am concerned keep the Illyrians I don’t care anymore.
How do you "keep" them? Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. You mentioned that Wilkes somehow disproved our heritage, yet how would he do so when he used the Alb language to explain toponyms:
The name of the Delmatae appaears connected with the Albanian word for 'sheep' (Delme) and the Dardanians with that for 'pear' (Dardhe). Some place-names appear to have similar derivations, including Ulcinium (Ulcin) from 'Wolf', although ancients preferred a connection with Colchis - pg. 244
Wilkes ends the book by stating that Albs definitely share in this heritage but have been also influenced to a great extent by subsequent people who came or neighbored them. Among them Romans, Greeks, Slavs, Turks.
What Wilkes argued was that of looking directly into Albs to find answers for the Illyrians... which wont bring out the necessary results... and that's true. So where does this 'try and prove it to others' come in? I have read that book, and others around Illyrians and all generally show Albs as their ancestors. In the case of the Messappii, for instance, while Alb is not their linguistic inheritor in a direct extent, it lives on through the fact that the name of Brindisi in southern Italia, which came into Italian from the Greek transliteration Brentesion, can be explained in the Albanian language with the word bri, meaning horn... the horn of Italy.
Yet another case where your knowledge of history, via the selective quotes from the "geniuses" at Macedoniaontheweb, shows its inadequacy...
But anyway, this issue never revolved around this topic...
Melty my agenda is to defend my Hellenic history and culture
When you make a clear goal for yourself, you lose any credibility in pointing out others as biased.
Last Edit: Dec 8, 2008 3:39:36 GMT -5 by panagiotopoulos
^ Try www.allempires.net/ it's where I am at the majority of the time, it's the place where the majority of you were either banned or suspended for spreading lies misworded documents. Some farmiliar names from here are banned and many more have all been banned.
Allempires? Lol, Im one of the chief editors for their monthly magazine. I've also published on that site... You can also find my works on unrv.com, I do book reviews... one of which was cited by Amazon.com books. I don't rely on selective quotations, I know my sources you however...
How am I spreading propaganda? Is propaganda just what you don't like to see or read?
Last Edit: Dec 8, 2008 4:01:33 GMT -5 by panagiotopoulos
Post by meltdown711 on Dec 8, 2008 15:55:20 GMT -5
Don't compare me to Highduke, I don't make crack theories using misquoted words. I like to look at everything that is said, not selective phrases. Your belittling me to something akin to a conspiracy theorist. If Im biased is in the fact that i don't really like you people much, it true. However I have stated many times that i put that aside when I head into historical research.
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