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Post by greekslav on Jan 16, 2008 20:01:01 GMT -5
The Macedonian Sun on the Icon of The Mother of God (11th century) in Ohrid:
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 16, 2008 21:07:28 GMT -5
I'll be back as I have an appointment with my fitness instructor, off for few hours training ;D Back and my reply to you is utter garbage never seen such garbage coming from you before to this level that of a pseudo ultra nationalist. Those coins prove nothing for there were no proto Slavs nor proto Bulgarians. As for the Virgin Mary how dare you misuse such icons for your absurd claims. The issue has always been btw Greeks and Bulgarians and this so called Makedoniski ethnos came about in 1945 Marshall Tito's creation. If those were enough proves then why aren’t they making international headlines ? Most absurd thing I have read from you sincerely.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 16, 2008 21:34:13 GMT -5
The Vergina Sun comes from the Ancient Macedonians, and was used extensively in the region. Which has been proven Greek always. Now we should be saying this next sentence from you with my own underlined added. Try to keep the political arm of all this out of it FYROM. I wouldn't hesitate to move this topic to the appropriate forums if need be.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 16, 2008 22:27:55 GMT -5
Wasn't it you, Ajax, that persisted to bring these subjects in threads that did not pertain to it, in essence, polluting those threads with your political bvllsh.it?
I have brought this to a separate thread, and am trying desperately to keep the political element out of it. It would do you good to try that for a change.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 16, 2008 22:33:01 GMT -5
Excuse me ? Who's been polluting this Greek forum all together with this anti Greek stuff.
Hey didn't I say once you have the FYROM sub forum so use it but hey let us use ours with freeedom. Fair isn't it ? Sure you can object but you go on and on and on on when there is a chance for you right ?
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 16, 2008 22:35:35 GMT -5
And isn't you FYROMians who complain freedom whilst your awash with hipocracy. BUT hey your smart and stuff but when it comes to true Greek Macedonian knowledge your blind as a bat only Tito's stuff suits you to a tea.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 16, 2008 22:39:13 GMT -5
For you to say that the Macedonians wern't Greek is not only an insult to me and my ancestors who all spoke Greek and wrote in Greek and there graves stones are written in Greek, but you insult also all Greeks on here.
On the did you know topic Macedonian history is part of Greece as is Sparta and Attica anything wrong with that ?
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Post by greekslav on Jan 16, 2008 22:40:41 GMT -5
Then you, sir, are a lost cause and I do not expect an intelligent post from you ever. I will not waste my time with you. Good day, sir.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 16, 2008 22:42:53 GMT -5
No my friend your have an issue with us Greeks to which you have no idea of the real truths behind the Macedonian strugle that was btw Greece and Balgaria. I make no appologies for knowing the real truth and you better wake and apologise for unsulting us Greeks on here.
You're an insult to the real Greek Slavs such as Kapitan Kottas one of so many who fought and died for Greece on the Macedonia issue.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 16, 2008 23:00:35 GMT -5
Ai Khanum, pebble mosaic with star design: detail of the "Macedonian" starburst:
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 16, 2008 23:16:13 GMT -5
Then you, sir, are a lost cause and I do not expect an intelligent post from you ever. I will not waste my time with you. Good day, sir. ;D it was addressed to me, now he sees what is written and because it doesn't agree with him this is the reply. Talk about forcing views ;D arano what is it called if I am wrong ? Ah man you make me feel so Greek, with no identity issues ;D
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Post by greekslav on Jan 16, 2008 23:36:59 GMT -5
Apollonis (BC 200-0) 2nd-1st cent BC. Macedonian shield with central star / ÁÐÏËËÙ-ÍÉÄÅÙÍ, club in dotted circle. Fine green patina, EF. Very rare. Gutknecht coll:
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Post by greekslav on Jan 17, 2008 0:11:56 GMT -5
Ancient Lycian Sarcorphagus with Macedonian inspired sun emblem in Lycia, Turkey:
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Post by greekslav on Jan 17, 2008 0:23:28 GMT -5
This coin was minted by the MACEDONIAN Empire during the reign of Antigonus Gonatus, 277 to 239 BC. The Macedonian empire was founded by Alexander I but carried forward by others including Demetrios Poliorketes, the "Besieger" along with his father Antigonos Monopthalmos:
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Post by leandros nikon on Jan 17, 2008 10:39:53 GMT -5
nice greek coins,bearing greek inscriptions...whats your point,ephialtes???
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Post by greekslav on Jan 17, 2008 13:46:36 GMT -5
Thank you for the question. The coin I posted that was minted for Herod the Great is of particular interest. There, on the obverse, is the Macedonian sun. King Herod the Great was a Roman backed King of Judea from about 38 to 3 B.C. Alexander the Great died in 323 B.C. This coin is catagorized as Jewish coinage. The Greek inscription "ÂÁÓÉËÅÙÓ ÇÑÙÄÏÕ" around a helmet may be due to it being minted in Syria. Until I research this further, I would not catagorize this coin as "Greek". I will get back with further details soon.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 17, 2008 15:01:07 GMT -5
Herod the Great was Idumean. The Idumeans were forcibly circumcised and merged with the Jews by Hasmonaean priest-king John Hyrcanus I.
Herod was not a Jewish King but a Roman one. He was appointed King of Judea by the Romans. He was Pro-Roman.
Herod the Great issued coins on Roman standards with the inscription (in Greek) herodou basileos, ‘belonging to Herod the king,’. Using Greek for these words indicates that Herod considered his standing abroad.
Herod's coins were minted in Jerusalem and Tiberias.
I have not finished this research but for now and until I find additional evidence, these coins were not Greek.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 17, 2008 15:15:43 GMT -5
As for the Lycians, they were not Greek but voluntarily opened their arms to Alexander the Great (they were tired of Carian rule). The Macedonian Sun on their sarcorphagus (see photo) was likely due to the Macedonian influence. Remember, Alexander never conquered Lycia. He did not have to. He did not receive a hostile reception from the Lycians.
The sarcorphagus is not Greek, but Lycian and the Macedonian sun on it was due to Alexanders influence.
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Post by leandros nikon on Jan 17, 2008 16:19:09 GMT -5
could you please tell me how many greek names you are able to read in this paragraph and also explain their meaning to me?is there a single slavic name in here?
im not talking about any sarcophagus,its the coins that i am concerned about.
come on,its obvious...greek inscriptions,greek names,is it possible that these people were slavs?do you always have to prove your machiavellian character?
also,this picture of Godmother,its possibly a byzantine icon...but even if it was slavic,these slavs just copied the vyzantine art,its not a big deal...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 17, 2008 19:27:34 GMT -5
Leo ...its easy for any slav to read those coins ....even russians
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