Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 2, 2008 23:13:24 GMT -5
I am one of the few ones here to call a spade a spade... if Greece would suck at something ... I will come out and say it.. and yes they suck big time on some issues.. but when you slap me with the bread lines... it's like kicking me in the jimmies. This is what my mind pictures... source
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Post by albquietman on Dec 2, 2008 23:20:01 GMT -5
Well, I told you that's what I was told, and as I said, by bread lines I meant people that have nothing to eat and go to charities for free food...but anyway, if you have Greek TV at home, keep an eye, you'll hear something about what I said...
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 2, 2008 23:29:40 GMT -5
Business Greece Tipped to Slide through Credit Crunch According to several recent reports by reputed industry sources Greece's economy and property market are geared up to survive the global downturn better than most in Europe, with The Telegraph putting Greece at the heart of a "new financial Europe".2008-11-10 13:23:04 - Les Calvert, director of rapidly growing overseas property portal Property Abroad concurred with the report: "With very little in the way of banking catastrophes being reported, and banks guaranteeing all deposits, Greece does indeed look sufficiently stable to weather the global financial storm relatively intact. Greek banks have been among the best performing in Europe over the past few months, and the consistent availability of mortgage finance has seen continually rising property prices -- on top of the impressive rise of more than 200% in the past 15 years."www.pr-inside.com/according-to-several-recent-reports-by-r906719.htm
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2008 5:31:42 GMT -5
Living in Greece,I can say about the global economic crisis that if there weren't the populistic tv chanels (see Evangelatos in Anti1...lol) we wouldn't feel any difference. Benzine is much more cheaper than 3-4 months ago( today about 0.73€) and the bouzoukia are still full... Greek economy is much more well-set than other theoretically more advanced countries-economies like Ireland,Icelands etc whose their GDP was a goal for Greece. Now I should log out because they have a nice breadline nearby and I want to catch the hot ones.
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Post by albquietman on Dec 3, 2008 9:58:06 GMT -5
Well, your TV channels talk about how deep is the crisis is in Greece, not me, and I think they know more than you guys that sit all day on the computer and rarely pass the borders of your town. The full bouzoukia do not tell me anything. Go in Albania, and you'll see that all the restaurants and cafes are full, even in places where there are no jobs available.
Anyway, if you guys say that there is no crisis in Greece, but on the contrary Greece is doing much better than Ireland and Iceland (which by the way its population is a little bit more than 300.000 people), then I'll take your word...
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 3, 2008 10:15:17 GMT -5
Dont take yourself too important. You are in the glass house...and throw with stones...you are an albanian...thus not in the position to say what we deserve or not...are you talking to your parents the same way? Thats no good.
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 3, 2008 10:21:48 GMT -5
Yes...it reminds you in this field more and more of Ethiopia...or...Somalia...Albania is doing well indeed.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 3, 2008 10:40:47 GMT -5
If there are no jobs available and the restaurants are full...... then they must be living of the proceeds of crime....
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Post by albquietman on Dec 3, 2008 14:53:12 GMT -5
Dont take yourself too important. You are in the glass house...and throw with stones...you are an albanian...thus not in the position to say what we deserve or not...are you talking to your parents the same way? Thats no good. Actually not really Kastor, I don't take myself too important since I'm reading your posts and trying to debate with you and getting down to your level...but I've got to give you credit for something, you guys really amuse me with your posts. No matter that one can see that the authors are intellectually challenged, they are still amusing...and I don't think that you will get offended by that, because being intellectually challenged is better than being an Albanian like me...
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Dec 3, 2008 15:42:20 GMT -5
Greece is doing just fine. What is all this fuss about Albq? Greece was in a much worse position and their are actually reverse trends of immigration currently where Greeks are actually migrating back to Greece because of how well it is doing. Even Greek Americans are moving back!!! I guess they are migrating for that nice hot Greek bread and bread lines. I mean come on Albq who doesn't want a free meal if it means migrating across a large ocean?
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Post by albquietman on Dec 3, 2008 16:14:33 GMT -5
I'm repeating it again, that's what your TV channels say about the Greek economy, not me, but seems like they weren't well-informed like the European media back in 2006: Greek economy up 25% - with a little help from prostitutes· Athens adds black market output to its GDP figures · Move staves off EU fines for breaking deficit rules Nicholas Watt in Brussels The Guardian, Saturday September 30 2006 Greece, whose ancient civilisation introduced the world to high class prostitutes in the sixth century BC, has at last decided to salute their contribution to society. Athens has announced that its economy is 25% bigger than thought thanks, in part, to the round-the-clock duties of the country's prostitutes, who were known as hetairai in ancient times. The Greek authorities are revising the country's gross domestic product (GDP) after deciding that the black market should be included in the figures. Manolis Kontopyrakis, the head of the national statistics service, told Reuters: "The revised GDP will include some money from illegal activities, such as money from cigarette and drinks smuggling, prostitution and money laundering." Greece's economic output was €180bn (£128bn) in 2005 and is expected to rise to €194bn this year. The black economy is estimated at up to €60bn, according to Reuters. The new figures are the result of Greece's determination to avoid a ticking off from the EU, which has the right to impose hefty fines on a eurozone country if its budget deficit rises above 3% of GDP. By boosting the size of its economy the Greek deficit will fall from 2.1% of GDP to 1.9%. Without the change the deficit would have fallen from 2.6% of GDP to 2.4%, according to the Financial Times. Joaquim Almunia, the European monetary affairs commissioner, who is used to GDP revisions of 1%-2%, is said to be wary of Greece's action. His spokeswoman said yesterday that the new figures would need to be examined by Eurostat, the EU's statistics agency. The move raised eyebrows in Brussels because Athens famously used false statistics to meet the Maastricht criteria, thereby allowing it to join the euro. Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, said: "It is on the public record that the statistics used which allowed Greece to join the euro were exposed as false. I remember Jacques Delors [the former European commission president] saying in the early 1990s that Greece was not ready to join the EU in 1981."But Mr Grant said Greece should be taken more seriously now. "There was a real transformation in the mid-1990s. They cleared up corruption and spent EU funds wisely. "The announcement reminds me of the sorpasso a decade ago when Italy said that it had overtaken the UK because it was counting the black economy in its statistics. That was taken seriously but Britain is now way ahead of Italy." While the new figures will allow Greece to escape possible fines for running a high deficit, the country will pay for its honesty in other ways. "Greece will be a victim because it will lose structural funds and will have to pay more into the EU budget," Mr Grant said. "I think we should therefore take them seriously." LinkyYou guys have really good economists...
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2008 16:43:00 GMT -5
Alvanoi are the last that I accept to criticize Greece's economy being the poorest(!) among Europeans. We also thank EasternEuropean poutanes for their contribution to our economy.thanks karioles! Allow me to know better about the economy of the country I live... The bigger problem in Greece's economy is the tax evasion...I know families that state to the internal revenue service(ephoria) income about 10,000€ while they have 3 cars, own home,country house in the village and live a regular life. And of course they are considered by the statistics as poor! Now if you have the prooves that Greek economy sucks can you please call/email/mail all your Alvanous friends and family that you may have in Greece to immigrate to a richer country...lets say Ireland...which is 4th of 5th in GDP per capita...and has really huge problems today.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 3, 2008 18:10:36 GMT -5
Old news of 2006.
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Post by albquietman on Dec 4, 2008 0:05:06 GMT -5
Alvanoi are the last that I accept to criticize Greece's economy being the poorest(!) among Europeans. We also thank EasternEuropean poutanes for their contribution to our economy.thanks karioles! Allow me to know better about the economy of the country I live... The bigger problem in Greece's economy is the tax evasion...I know families that state to the internal revenue service(ephoria) income about 10,000€ while they have 3 cars, own home,country house in the village and live a regular life. And of course they are considered by the statistics as poor! Now if you have the prooves that Greek economy sucks can you please call/email/mail all your Alvanous friends and family that you may have in Greece to immigrate to a richer country...lets say Ireland...which is 4th of 5th in GDP per capita...and has really huge problems today. Actually the author of the article doesn't seem to be albanian, by the name at least, so feel free to accept his critics. Singrou in Athens was famous before the east-europian girls arrived. The prostitutes, homosexuals and transvestites business was flourishing thanks to the locals, so no wonder your economy was doing good back then But you've got a good point when you talk about the tax evasion in Greece, because I've seen that too when I was there, but that was 12 years ago, and I thought your government would had taken care of it by now. By the way, whoever is smiting me, I want to remind him/her to smite me again
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 4, 2008 1:18:53 GMT -5
There is no reason to wonder for getting smited...me tis malakies pou grafeis ti perimeneis...
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Post by albquietman on Dec 4, 2008 1:26:04 GMT -5
No Kastor, I didn't wonder at all, because I know where I'm posting...in Greek Forum...
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 4, 2008 14:33:07 GMT -5
Albq, I ask you as an economic specialist... should we state(i don't know the word in english...greek..dhilono) to the internal revenue service(ephoria) the hundreds of cars stolen by Alvanous? And should we count as imports the tones of hasis and kalsnikofs from Albania?
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Post by albquietman on Dec 4, 2008 15:56:41 GMT -5
Albq, I ask you as an economic specialist... should we state(i don't know the word in english...greek..dhilono) to the internal revenue service(ephoria) the hundreds of cars stolen by Alvanous? And should we count as imports the tones of hasis and kalsnikofs from Albania? I can see the sarcasm in your post, but anyway, I'm not a specialist in economics, so that makes me unable to answer your other questions. And if I was, I don't think that I would have liked to answer your questions, because of your childish (read Greek) reaction...if you guys think that Albanians are devils and you are angels, do something about it, but make sure to find someone else to blame for all your problems. That's one of the first things that I noticed when I was in Greece, you never blame yourselves even if you are at fault. I have seen that in this forum for so many years now, even from Greeks that do not live in Greece and rarely visit Greece, and I'm convinced now that it must be something in your genes or DNA...but what I'm saying, it takes a man when it comes to admit the mistakes and wrongdoings and to say the magic words, yes I fu.cked up again...
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