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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 4:23:34 GMT -5
1) Wilikinson states that it was the Serbs that first categorized the Slavs of Macedonia as a group distinct from the Bulgarians for political purposes and there was no "Macedonian" ethno/national identity until about the late 19th century. 2) Danforth states that that the "Macedonian" identity is a late 19th century construct and that modern "Macedonians" have no relation to Alexander's Macedonians or even Cyril and Methodius.
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 4:25:59 GMT -5
Our Slavic Fellow Citizens
Great analysis of the Bulgarian immigrants in the US back in 1910
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 4:28:18 GMT -5
More evidence more facts more books are being printed with the truth and more and fyromians are realising this............ In this book, we hit a trifecta all in just two pages 1) Backs up the obvious evidence of a Slav invasion during the 7th AD into the Balkans 2) Cyril and Methodius were Greeks 3) Basil slaughtered the Bulgarian Tsar Samuel Oh and also, the Slavs had a minimal effect on the population of and culture of Greece as they were Hellenized. Exploring the Middle Ages - by Marshall Cavendish Corporation - History - 2006
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 7:34:59 GMT -5
Prof. Weigand - Die Nationalen Bestrebungen der Balkanvolker
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2008 18:43:57 GMT -5
Rex "your true homeland ...bravo" ------------------------------------- Come on Rex.. its not only that. The whole Med world, Balkan world, Black Sea and up to India is our true homeland.. Hellenism is not something so tiny that can fit only to a "small" place as India...
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Post by ioan on Jul 7, 2008 23:46:14 GMT -5
Plans for a "Red Macedonian State" and Greek Macedonia The RED "Macedonian country" - the fond hope of the Cominform, the Bulgarian communists, NOF and of the Hellenic bandits - should encompass according to the desires of its inventors, the Yugoslavian Macedonia or Vardar Macedonia with an area of 39.600 sq.km and a population of 1.550.000, Bulgarian Macedonia or Pirin Macedonia of an area of 4.000 sq.km and a population of 250.000 and Hellenic Macedonia with an area of 34.250 sq.km an a population of 1.700.000. Working in favor of this shameless anti-Hellenic crime, are mercenary-bandits. The above expressive sketch was published in the Swiss "Illustrated" (see following related article. CRISIS CENTER
THE THREAT AGAINST MACEDONIA
Details of the planThat "article" is pure example of biased journalism. Written in the times of communism, it blames the Bulgarians as the creators of the Macedonian nation! But the Bulgarians were the biggest loosers of that invention since over million Bulgarians turned overnight into ancient Hellenes. Of course its understandble since, when the article was written, Greece was prowestern, in a way so was Yugoslavia, so whos left to blame? The easiest target, communist Bulgaria, that was always against the idea (excluding the betrayor Dimitrov for 2 years). by Oscar Rundel. ZURICH, April. (Special Report)- For the last 8 months Moscow is trying to annihilate the renegade Tito. Up to now, Tito has managed to resist all attacks against him but now the Cominform invented a new weapon against him: the ALLEGED "LIBERATION OF MACEDONIA"Everything indicates that Moscow in co-operation with her loyal servant Dimitroff will use all its weapons in this battle front, all, except those which could ignite another World War. But it is not certain that these weapons will definitely overthrow Tito. Under the development of these new events, Macedonia, the heart of this Balkan peninsula becomes again the center of international interest. According to the most accurate information, it is from there that the Soviet Union and the Cominform intend to launch their decisive blow against the renegade Tito. With the declaration of an autonomous "Socialist Republic of Macedonia" which will be composed by the Yugoslavian, Bulgarian and the Hellenic part of Macedonia, Moscow estimates that it will succeed to shatter Tito's power, detach the Northern Hellenic provinces from Hellas and extend the influence of Soviet to the Aegean. There is no doubt that this plan indeed exists. The only doubt is on when and by which means will its implementation be attempted. If international communism is determined to persue its objectives through the power of weapons- and intelligence which speaks of the concentration of military in all neighboring countries in an attempt to form an "aerial bridge" from Hungary to Albania and unusual defensive measures by Tito compose indication- that there is indeed danger that in the near future Macedonia may become the center of events which will threaten the peace not only in the Balkan peninsulla but also in the entire world. Geographically Macedonia can easily be defined, but it becomes trully impossible should one desire to give a definition based on the political or ethnological view and define the limits of the "Macedonian country" or "Macedonian nation". And this because IN REALITY THERE IS NO MACEDONIAN COUNTRY, NOT EVEN A MACEDONIAN NATION. AN INDEPENDANT MACEDONIAN NATION FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN HISTORY EXISTED ONLY DURING THE TIME OF PHILIP AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT, BUT THAT NATION WAS HELLENIC AND ITS POPULATION WAS HELLENIC AND DIDN'T DIFFER FROM THE POPULATIONS OF ATHENS, THEBES NOR SPARTA AT ALL.Undoubtably the supporters of the idea of a macedonian country CAN NOT CLAIM THE TRADITIONS OF THAT ANCIENT HELLENIC MACEDONIAN NATION BECAUSE THE SLAVIC RACES OF THE SERBS AND BULGARIAN SETTLED IN THE BALKAN PENINSULA ONLY DURING THE 7th and 8th CENT. AD. driving the original Hellenic population towards the South without ever achieving their objective, which was to reach the shores of the Aegean and Thessaloniki. During the last 2 millenia Macedonia became successively a province of the Roman, Southern-Roman, Byzantine and finally the Ottoman Empires. What it NEVER became was an INDEPENDENT NATION. LIKEWISE THERE NEVER WAS NOR IS THERE TODAY A "MACEDONIAN PEOPLE". THE GEOGRAPHIC REGION NAMED MACEDONIA IS POPULATED BY A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE AND ETHNICITIES THAT HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON ON ANY HISTORIC, LINGUISTIC, RELIGIOUS AND SPIRITUAL BASIS: Hellenes, Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians, Turks, Koutsovlachs and Jews. The majority of the population today is composed in the Northern part of Macedonia by Serbs and Bulgarians, while in the South by Hellenes, which means, two peoples that belong to totally different races with a centuries long enimity between them. Albanians differ from the Slavs and the Hellenes and are theorized to be the descendants of the Illyrians that were driven by the Slavs to the highlands near the shores of the Adriatic. The Koutsovlachs are neither Slavs, nor Hellenes, nor Albanians kai descend from the leagoneers of ancient Rome and Romanized Thrace. The Turks belong to a totally different race. Each one of these peoples speak their own language and none of them managed to assimilate the other and by doing so form a "macedonian nation" Theclaim that a macedonian people which wants its autonomy or the independence of the lands it resides in, exists, IS AN INVENTION OF THE LAST DECADE OF THE PREVIOUS CENTURY. This invention is attributed to Bulgarian imperialism, which is the root of the problem of all bloody conflicts and implacable contrasts in the Balkans. During the 19th cent. the Hellenes, the Serbs, the Rumanians and lastly the Bulgarians were liberated from the Turkish yoke and only Macedonia and Albania remained part of the Ottoman Empire. Bulgaria that wasn’t satisfied with the borders determined during the Congress of Berlin but had ambissions of expanding towards the West to the Adratic and to the East to the Aegean, making it thus the most powerful country of the Balkans, was the first to demand the “autonomy” of Macedonia, which would be nothing more than the first step towards its annexation. It was Bulgarian greed that provoked right after the 1st Balkan War of 1912-13 during which the allied Hellenes, Serbs and Bulgarians managed to drive the Turks out of the center of the Balkan peninsula, the 2nd Balkan War. This war ended as we know with the Treaty of Bucharest under which the region of Macedonia which has remained unchangeable untill this day, was distributed between the Serbs, Bulgarians and Hellenes. During the 2 World Wars Bulgaria which sided during the first with the Central Powers and the second with Hitler attempted to detach from the Serbs and the Hellenes the corresponding regions of Macedonia. Both times they attempted to capture Macedonia with military force and oppress the non-Bulgarian population but both times was forced to finally retreat and abandon the captured regions of Macedonia. After the end of the 2nd World War the internal political composition of the Balkan nations changed but the strife for Macedonia continued with remarkable vehemence on two fronteers: Firstly under the guise of the strife of the united slavocommunist countries against Hellas with the objective of detaching the part of Macedonia from Hellas and including it along with the Yugoslavic and Bulgarian parts of Macedonia under one new Cominform country. Second under the form of an once secret yet today obvious strife between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria related to the dominance of the planned united Macedonia. While Yugoslavia and Bulgaria continue their combined strife against Hellas with the illegal assistance of the bandits, between Sofia and Belgrade the strife for Macedonia is undergoing constant acute phases. In this strife, Dimitroff, who carries on the plans of the monarchic and fascist Bulgarian imperialism, is nothing more than a marionette in the hands of Moscow who's objective of reaching the shores of the Mediterrainian, is now, as it has been in the past the true root of all the bloody conflict around Macedonia. OSCAR RUNDEL.
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Post by leandros nikon on Aug 22, 2008 5:25:56 GMT -5
i have missed this one... ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 24, 2008 6:36:02 GMT -5
Now that you remind me !!! The Hellenic school of Thessaloniki-1858 Pandora was a well known monthly literary magazine that was published in Athens from 1849-1871.In the article below,from 15 January 1858,we read about the Hellenic school of Thessaloniki and the speech of his principal,K.Nikoklis.Notice how many times he uses the term <Macedonian> and its derivatives to design the regional identity of the Greek inhabitants of Thessaloniki.Can the Scopians show us evidence of anyone of their ancestors who called himself <Macedonian> at that time?Or can they prove that in the schools of Scopje the pupils were taught in 1850 ancient Macedonian history? <We learn this today,from the below speech,given during the last exams by the known to us principal of the Thessalonian school K.Nikoklis.This school is organized like our Hellenic schools.There is taught furthermore history,especially the history of Macedonia and not unjustifiable.Because Macedonia,feeling first of all the need for the unification of the whole Greece,attached carefully her pieces and brought glorious the name of the Greek race in the edges of Asia>. <The Macedonians proved themselves always earnest friends of education.Prior to the liberation struggle they had schools and men educated and authors as well.Today,in the highest university,in the rest of the other faculties and in the goverment of free Greece they offer their mental contribution>. ] Some passages from the speech of the school principal: <This holy day,girded by a religious sacredness,has another formality for Thessaloniki and her Macedonian youth...> <... in the same day is celebrated officially the mental progress of the young Macedonians...> <...every Macedonian must always have in his mind...> <...it's possible,Macedonian friends,to become happy in the future,using your own instances...> <So what expects this once glorious city,in order to look not worst than its bright past and to be classified in the future amongst Athens,Smyrna,Constantinople?Education,dear brothers,education real,stabilized,moral......in order not to suffer exactly the same as our ancient ancestors the Macedonians,who were called barbarians by our Greek brothers,due to their inferior civilization,allthough they had so many virtues,so many trophies,so many bright political acts.Indeed,although the Macedonian tribe was so great and left so admirable achievements,nothing else is praised by history,this unbridable judge of the human acts,but only whatever contributed to the hapiness of humanity,to the ennoblement of the nation and to the spread of the education and the civilization of that time.How many Macedonian kings existed from Karanus till Alexander the Great?Nonetheless,very few of them are praised,few decorate the pages of the bright Macedonian history,and only those who participating in the Greek culture and civilization spreaded these to their subjects,contributing royally to the ennoblement and the education of the whole nation>. <...Alexander,the great king of the Greeks>. <Only our schools are common for everybody,because there are studying south and north Macedonians,Thessalians,Thracians,Bulgarians,Alban ians...> <Only the education,philomath Macedonians...> You will be also happy,old metropolis of the Macedonians...> <Your citizens like tall palm trees will blow from now the fruits of the love of the education and the love of the beauty,fruits that will contribute to the progress of the youth and to the mature reception of the newest Greek civilization>. But if someone bethinks that out of the five pupils of that grade.....the three,of whom the homeland expects more went to Greece for the sake of the highest education and the scientific course...> <If it's sure,dear Thessalonians,that we expect from there our enlightening and the civilization,where is the seat of the enlightement and the cradle of the Greek nationality,if it's true that glorious Athens as in the ancient times are walking and today with gigantic steps to become the school not only of Greece but of the entire Greek nation in the East and in the West,who doesn't consider the studies in Athens of four beloved to me pupils,four good and wealth offsprings of the homeland,Hariton,Lysandros,Markos and Leonidas,as a good omen for a more auspicious future for the schools of Macedonia?> <May it never happen to graduate from the schools of Thessaloniki,the proud in the old time of its devoutness and Orthodoxy Thessaloniki,a sophomoric and wiseacre youngster,who renounce his holy and unpoluted religious...This will be an inextinguishable blotch in the character and the nationality of the young Macedonians> The pupils were taught <history of Macedonia,from the Alexander I succesor's era till the destruction of the Macedonian state> Here we read that in that school were studying some non Greek pupils from Serbia and one from...Scopje. Don't show yourselves unworthy of these expectations and of the bright past of our Macedonian ancestors Thanks to kostas68 from www.macedoniaontheweb.com for this gem.
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 29, 2008 8:01:13 GMT -5
People of Turkey 1878 From a book I've been reading these last couple of days. A cultural struggle between Greeks and Bulgarians in Thrace and Macedonia, with absolutely no mention what so ever of a Macedonia ethnicity in 1878.Where these Fyromians maybe from Mars new arrivals ?? By chicagogeorge. .
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 29, 2008 8:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 4, 2008 20:48:50 GMT -5
Rare Document of 1878 - Proclamation of the Temporary Government of Macedonia THE PROCLAMATION OF THE TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT OF MACEDONIA REQUESTING UNIFICATION WITH GREECE; REVOLUTION ON MT. OLYMPUS. This proclamation shatters 3 Skopjan myths (lies) about Macedonia: Myth (Lie) #1: The name ‘Macedonia’ was not used by Greeks until after 1988. Until 1988, the area was known as ‘Northern Greece’ or ‘Northern New Territories’. As its evident in the Proclamation written in pure Greek by Macedonian Greeks this is simply not true. ‘The Ministry of Northern Greece’ changed its name to ‘The Ministry of Macedonia and Thrace’ in 1988….not the department/province! Myth (Lie) #2: There were no Greeks in Macedonia until after Greece invaded and expelled the ‘Macedonians’ in 1912 and brought more Greeks from Turkey in 1923. Again, shameless lies. This document is proof that Greeks in Macedonia, not wanting to be ruled by Turkey anymore, took up arms and started a revolution. They formed a government and appealed to Greece and the European Powers to unite them with their motherland Greece! All this as Turkey was getting ready to sign the Treaty of San Stefano which allowed Russia to give Macedonia to Bulgaria. Myth (Lie) #3: There was no Greek revolution against Turkey in Macedonia as happened in Southern Greece because there were no Greeks living in Macedonia. This lie can now be destroyed along with the rest of Skopjean Macedonism and irredentism. To continue to propagate these lies is not worthy of a civil society. THE DOCUMENTDECLARATION OF THE TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT OF MACEDONIATo the Governments of the European powers The long lasting sufferings which the respectable governments have heard about from their representatives, and which by now have reached a state of stressful despair, have obliged the inhabitants of Macedonia to take up arms in order to defend their lives, their honour and property. Calling a meeting today the representatives of the various communities in Macedonia, overthrew the Sultan’s tyrannical authority, declared the union of Macedonia with mother Greece, and chose us in order to form the Temporary Government of the revolution with the obligation to ask from the Christian super powers their mighty protection for the justification of our fight…(Macedonia) is ready to be freed and connected to mother Greece, even if it needs to be delivered to fire and disaster rather than continue living under the tyranny of various Turkish notables. They destroyed and violated the honour and sanctity of family life. All promises and obligations that the Turkish authorities gave to its subjects have proved by now to be nothing more than purposely sly and deceptive. The Turkish government has several times granted rights but tyranny has never been loosened. On the contrary, our misfortunes became endless and horrible because this government has neither power nor authority. Therefore, we were forced to seek our arms so that we may die as men as Greeks if we are not allowed to live like logical and free men. [Signed] In Litohoro, Mt. Olympus [on] 19th February, 1878 [by the members of] The Temporary Government of Macedonia: Evangelos Korovangos, President; A. Asteriou; G.V. Zahariadis; Nikiforos, Monastic priest; Athanasios Georgiou; Ioannis G. Vergidis; Giannis Nikolaou We ask the Consul General of Greece to read [and transmit] the present document. CONSULATE’S LETTERPages 81, 84, 116, and 117 From the book: 'Macedonia, Macedonian Struggle, Greece-Macedonia 4000 Years' By: Konstantinos Douflias, Historian-Folklorist-Journalist 1992, Aegean Publications Book is available in Greek and Englishwww.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/free-speech-macedonia-forum/8201-rare-document-1878-proclamation-temporary-government-macedonia.html .
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Post by Kassandros on Sept 5, 2008 16:46:56 GMT -5
There is no need of documets Archilea. My football team, Iraklis FC, with the blue and white colours, is from 1908. Thats enough. It was the ONLY team of Thessaloniki in 1908. Before any refuggees from Turkey come. www.iraklis-fc.gr/If that is not enough... then what is it?
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Post by leandros nikon on Sept 5, 2008 17:12:25 GMT -5
its somehow confusing that we have gathered evidence about the greekness of macedonia from the ancient and the modern period in the same thread...perhaps we should open a different thread with testimony on the modern period...anywayz...
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Post by terroreign on Sept 7, 2008 5:56:56 GMT -5
Terro... stop propanda and repetition of sentences.
We all here give some effort to present info. Do the same. Present info not just ... sentences without meaning and with deep commounist propaganda style.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Sept 11, 2008 22:59:45 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Sept 11, 2008 23:40:32 GMT -5
^Oooo so many colors! Talk about a seizure waiting to happen
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Post by kartadolofonos on Sept 12, 2008 16:46:26 GMT -5
Ancient Macedonia "Vergina"Thruth Macedonia & Macedonians
The scope of this article is to show how non-Greek historians accept the fact that Macedonian kings, Alexander the great and his father Philip included, considered themselves and their people to be Hellenes. The few books that I selected are enough to show to those who want to steal part of the Hellenic history that the historians Greeks or non-Greeks, who studied seriously, say the same things about Macedonia and its Hellenic origin. Of course nobody ever said that Slaves who dwell the northern part of Macedonia have not the right to make their own nation, but they have the obligation to find their roots and respect their own history and the other's as well. Here are some sections of the books that identify the Macedonians. 1. The story of civilization : part II THE LIFE OF GREECE by Will Durant (2,000,000 copies) published by SIMON AND SCHUSTER
"...From Thrace we move southward into Macedonia, and our cultural circumvolution of Greece is complete. It is a picturesque land, with soil once rich in minerals, plains fertile in grain and fruit, and mountains disciplining a hardy stock that was destined to conquer Greece. The mountaineers and peasants were of mixed race, predominantly Illyrian and Thracian; perhaps they were akin to the Dorians who conquered the Peloponnesus. The ruling aristocracy claimed Hellenic lineage (from Heracles himself), and spoke a dialect of Greek. The earlier capital, Edessa, stood on a vast plateau between the plains that stretched to Epirus and the ranges that reached to the Aegean. Farther east lay Pella, capital-to-be of Philip and Alexander; and near the sea was Pydna, where the Romans would conquer the conquering Macedonians, and win the right to transmit Greek civilization to the Western world..." Page 69-70
"Only freeborn Greeks were allowed to compete in the Olympic games..." Page 213
"...If we would understand Alexander we must always remember that he bore in his veins the drunken vigor of Philip and the barbaric intensity of Olympias. Furthermore, Olympias claimed descent from Achilles. Therefore the Iliad had a special fascination for Alexander; when he crossed the Hellespont he was, in his interpretation, retracing the steps of Achilles; when he conquered Hither Asia he was completing the work that his ancestor had begun at Troy. Through all his campaigns he carried with him a copy of Iliad annotated by Aristotle; often he placed it under his pillow at night beside his dagger, as if to symbolize the instrument and the goal. Leonidas, an austere Molossian, trained the boy's body, Lysimachus taught him letters, Aristotle tried to form his mind...To some extend Aristotle made a Hellene of him...Physically, Alexander was an ideal youth. He was good in every sport... His friends wished him to enter the foot races at Olympia; he answered that he would be willing, if his opponents were kings..." Page 538
"...He (Alexander) broke down the barriers between Greek and 'barbarian' and prepared for the cosmopolitanism of the Hellenistic age; he opened Hither Asia to Greek colonization, and established Greek settlements as far as Bactria;...He brought Greek literature, philosophy, and art to Asia..." Page 552
"Except the blind forces of nature, nothing moves in this world which is not Greek in its origin." Sir Henry Maine Page 667
2. ALEXANDER OF MACEDON 356-323 B.C. A HISTORICAL BIOGRAPHY by Peter Green published by UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS
"...The men of Lower Macedonia worshipped Greek gods; the royal family claimed descent from Heracles...The Molosian dynasty of Epirus, on the marches of Orestis and Elimiotis, claimed descent from Achilles, through his grandson Pyrrhus - a fact destined to have immeasurable influence on the young Alexander, whose mother Olympias was of Molossian stock..." Page 5
"...He (Alexander 1st) worked hard to get Macedonia accepted as a member of the Hellenic family (mainly by establishing a fictitious link between the Argead dynasty and Argos), and encouraged Greeks to domicile themselves on Macedonian soil, a policy which both Perdiccas and Archelaus followed..." Page 8-9
"...In particular with the grim struggle for the succession still fresh in their minds, they urged - very reasonably - that before leaving Macedonia he should marry and beget an heir. However, the king rejected this motion out of hand, a decision which was to cause untold bloodshed and political chaos after his death. It would be shameful, he told them, for the captain - general of the Hellenes, with Philip's invincible army at his command, to idle his time away on matrimonial dalliance..." Page 152
3. THE NATURE OF ALEXANDER by Mary Renault, published by GEORGE RAINBIRD LIMITED
"...Philip, on campaign in Thrace, got the news along with two other messages. His general, Parmenion, had soundly defeated the Illyrians in the west; and his racehorse had won at the Olympic Games. The right of Olympic entry was a prized inheritance of the kings of Macedon. The Games were only open to Greeks; and Macedonians were not recognized in the south as the offshoots of the original stock which in fact they were. They were regarded as semi-barbarous (the actual term 'barbarian' was reserved for Persians) and the royal house had just scraped in on the strength of a remote Argive ancestry. For Philip, to whom acceptance in the Greek world was a lifelong dream, this news may have been the most welcome item of the three..." Page 28-29
"...The wedding plans were resplendent. High ranking guests and state envoys were invited from all over Greece, as befitted Philip's of pan Hellenic war leader. Festival games in honour of the twelve Olympian gods were to be dedicated at a ceremony in the theatre at Aegae, near modern Edessa, the ancient capitalâ¦â¦" Page 61
4. HISTORY OF THE WORLD by J.M. ROBERTS, published by OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS 1993
"The history of Greece rapidly becomes less interesting after the fifth century. It is also less important. What remains important is the history of Greek civilization and the shape of this, paradoxically, was determined by a kingdom in northern Greece which some said was not Greek at all: Macedon. In the second half of the fourth century it created an empire bigger than any yet seen, the legatee of both Persia and the city-states. It organized the world we call Hellenistic because of the preponderance and uniting force within it of a culture. Greek in inspiration and language. Yet Macedon was a barbarous place, perhaps centuries behind Athens in the quality of its life and culture...Whether this was a state which was a part of the world of Hellenes was disputed; some Greeks thought Macedonians barbarians, though their kings claimed descent from Greek houses (one going back to Heracles) and their claim was generally recognized. Philip himself sought status; he wanted Macedon to be thought of as Greek. When he became regent of Macedon in 359 BC he began a steady acquisition of territory at the expense of other Greek states..." Page 168
"...Alexander was a creative mind, but self-absorbed, obsessed with his pursuit of glory, and something of a visionary. With great intelligence he combined almost reckless courage; he believed his mother's ancestor to be Homer's Achilles and strove to emulate the hero. He was ambitious as much to prove himself in men's eyes - or perhaps those of his forceful and repellent mother - as to win new lands. The idea of Hellenic crusade against Persia undoubtedly had reality for him, but he was also, for all his admiration of the Greek culture of which he had learnt from his tutor Aristotle, too egocentric to be a missionary, and his cosmopolitanism was grounded in an appreciation of realities..." Page 171
5. ALEXANDER THE GREAT by Frank Lipsius, published by SATURDAY REVIEW PRESS, NEW YORK
"The immediate goal of the journey "Alexander's expedition" was to liberate the Greek cities of Asia Minor from Persian rule. The Pan-Hellenic nature of the enterprise was emphasized by the inclusion of Thracian javelin throwers, one thousand Agrianians (whom Alexander particularly valued and kept close to him), fifteen hundred Thessalians and five hundred Cretan archers. The Macedonian troops, the core of the army, numbered twelve thousand infantry and eighteen hundred cavalry. The resolution to avenge Xerxes' conquest of the Greeks one hundred and fifty years before had been Philip's reason for marshalling troops for the expedition..."
All the above books refer to the Macedonians as Hellenes (Greeks). They do the same thing with Athenians, Spartans, Thessalians, Corinthians, Thebeans, etc.
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 17, 2008 22:15:41 GMT -5
Never saw these replies ! Basili I agree with you, and it's not just about proving but also passing on some valuable knowledge, informing and educating other younger Greeks of some things who may not even be aware of. I have a few more gems to share. perhaps we should open a different thread with testimony on the modern period...anywayz... I agree meyale !! Let me start when ready.
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 18, 2008 6:09:21 GMT -5
yeah ^^^ Leandros used to have a great thread about this subject. The one we have now here is also just as good..
keep up the great work guys !
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Sept 18, 2008 18:12:33 GMT -5
Wow , thirteen pages of madness. Its just a name ascribed to a land mass fundamentally no different than the 'Grand Canyon' to describe a deep valley in the earth. What objective truth is there in the 'virtue' of the Macedonian name?
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