Post by leandros nikon on Nov 1, 2009 18:06:06 GMT -5
The first president of FYROM president Mr. Kiro Gligorov confirmed twice that they are not related to the ancient Macedonians:
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians." (from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )
"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D)." (from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)
Post by leandros nikon on Nov 11, 2009 9:52:38 GMT -5
Macedonians were called barbarians,the answer...
* Macedonia was a very "Homeric" state; that is, many of its accepted customs were more akin to the Greek dark ages than to the classical period. For this reason, Macedonia was viewed by many Greeks, and particularly by Demosthenes, as "barbarian."
VERY INTERESTING!READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE BY USING THE ABOVE LINK...
According to a number of classical quotes and modern studies, the Pelasgians were Hellenes (Greeks), and the direct ancestors of later Greek tribes. The arguments supporting this connection are as follows:
1.That the term "barbarian" had a dual meaning. Aside from meaning "non-Hellenic," the term "barbarian" has been used by Greek tribes/city-states to deride other Greek tribes/city-states that were deemed unsophisticated in their use of the Hellenic language/culture.
For example, when Athenian orator Demosthenes attacked Philip II of Macedon in the Third Philippic, he deemed the Macedonians as non-Hellenic, unrelated to the Hellenes, and not even worthy of being deemed as "barbarians." This indicates that the utilization of the term "barbarian" in many ancient Greek accounts was reflective of the socio-political competition that existed between various Greek city-states, tribes, and civilizations.
but when the Pelasgians,23 with whom some other Greeks had united, assisted them in the war against their neighbours, they drove the Sicels out of this place, walled in many towns, and contrived to subjugate all the country that lies between the two rivers...
for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus.
Reports of The Origins of Athens, c. 430 BCE - 110 CE
If this were really so, and the entire Pelasgic race spoke the same tongue, the Athenians, who were certainly Pelasgi, must have changed their language at the same time that they passed into the Hellenic body...The Hellenic race has never, since its first origin, changed its speech. This at least seems evident to me. It was a branch of the Pelasgic, which separated from the main body, and at first was scanty in numbers and of little power; but it gradually spread and increased to a multitude of nations, chiefly by the voluntary entrance into its ranks of numerous tribes of barbarians. The Pelasgi, on the other hand, were, as I think, a barbarian race which never greatly multiplied.
Irad Malkin (ed.), Ancient Perceptions of Greek Ethnicity. Center for Hellenic Studies Colloquia, 5. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2001.
Irad Malkin examines the role of the outsider's view on Epirus in his "Greek Ambiguities: Between 'Ancient Hellas' and 'Barbarian Epirus'" (187-212). Epirus provides an interesting parallel to Macedon in that the ancient sources reflect the full spectrum of attitudes about its ethnicity: it is Greek (having good genealogical links through the Nostoi), it is primitive Greek (how "we" used to be); it is barbaros (customs alien to those of the Corcyran and Corinthian colonists on the coast). Malkin argues that despite many features that would normally allow a region to be deemed Greek (notably language and mythology), the outsiders' impression of the colonisers and then historiographers (of the south) left an indelible stamp on later perception of the region. This reiterates the importance of the viewer's perspective and the relativity of the question.
Theodor Mommsen History of Rome From the Abolition of the Monarchy in Rome to the Union of Italy
For but a few brief years a Greek ruler had held in his hand the whole intellectual vigour of the Hellenic race combined with the whole material resources of the east. On his death the work to which his life had been devoted--the establishment of Hellenism in the east--was by no means undone; but his empire had barely been united when it was again dismembered, and, amidst the constant quarrels of the different states that were formed out of its ruins, the object of world-wide interest which they were destined to promote--the diffusion of Greek culture in the east--though not abandoned, was prosecuted on a feeble and stunted scale. Under such circumstances, neither the Greek nor the Asiatico-Egyptian states could think of acquiring a footing in the west or of turning their efforts against the Romans or the Carthaginians.
I think its time Fyromians to start giving names to their children like Amyntor, Aristion, Euippos, etc...and in 30 years all the Vardaskis would have names/surnames like Amyntor Nikolovski, Filip Georgievski, etc etc
"Orbis terrarum Europa, Europae Graecia, Graeciae regina urbs Byzantii est" "Word's capital is Europe, Europe's is Greece, and Greece's Constantinoupolis" Guarino da Verona,15th c. ......................................... -Ouden glykion patridos-Homer
Post by leandros nikon on Aug 27, 2010 14:19:08 GMT -5
This article is not directly related with thje particular thread but it's very important and i want to keep it here...It's obvious that ancient hellenic blood still survives in the veins of modern Greeks today...
Genetic history of the population of Puglia (southern Italy).
Rickards O, Scano G, Martinez-Labarga C, Taraborelli T, Gruppioni G, De Stefano GF.
Dipartimento di Biologia, Università Tor Vergata, Rome, Italy.
Nine-hundred and twenty-two individuals belonging to the five provinces of Puglia were typed for nine erythrocyte genetic markers (ACP1, ADA, AK1, ESD, GLO1, PGD, PGM1, PGM2, and SODA). Genetic heterogeneity within Puglia was investigated on the basis of allele frequencies of the above mentioned markers plus ABO*A, ABO*B, ABO*O, and RH*D, by the (chi 2 test and Rst statistic. The analyses revealed no differences at the provincial level. Furthermore, correspondence and genetic distance analyses were applied to look for a statistical difference within Puglia from different standpoints, as well as between Puglia, the rest of Italy and other European and Near and Middle Eastern populations whose genetic history is most likely related. Southern and central Italian, Greek and Aegean populations appeared very homogeneous and quite differentiated from the rest of Europe, both continental (including northern Italy) and south-eastern, stressing the major impact of the heavy Greek colonization on the genetic pools of the circum-Mediterranean people.
Post by leandros nikon on Jan 19, 2011 18:13:58 GMT -5
Aetolos Acarnanas Macedonas, eiusdem linguae homines, leues ad tempus ortae causae diiungunt coniunguntque: cum alienigenis, cum barbaris aeternum omnibus Graecis bellum est eritque; natura enim, quae perpetua est, non mutabilibus in diem causis hostes sunt...