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Post by kartadolofonos on Oct 30, 2008 20:11:41 GMT -5
Greek military training near Greek Macedonian----Fyrom border Greek Army chants Anti-FYromanian slogans Slogans such as "Macedonia is Greek", "Greek blood flows through Macedonians' veins" and "We won't give the name Macedonia to Skopjia" were chanted by Greek commandos at yesterday's parade organised in Thessalonica on Greece's national holiday October 28, writes Ethnos daily on Wednesday. "OXI" October 28 /1940 Greek national holiday v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=15oyply&s=
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Oct 30, 2008 21:28:26 GMT -5
I think this whole silly thing is edging very close to war but I don't think Greece will strike the match just yet. FYROMS have their Bulgarian "slav" brothers to protect them.
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Post by ilirdardani on Oct 30, 2008 21:48:36 GMT -5
Bulgarians are smart and would stay out of this. We on the other hand need to help the Greeks and protect the name of Maqedonia.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 31, 2008 13:22:48 GMT -5
I see nothing extreme in the slogans. "Macedonia is Greek"... yeah we know that. I'm from the capital of Macedonia, Thessaloniki, and I'm preety sure its Greek "Greek blood flows through Macedonians' veins" ... yeah we know that too. All the Macedonian citizens of Macedonia agree on that. "We won't give the name Macedonia to Skopjia".. yeah that already known. Even our prime minister uses that on negotiations. I see no extreme slogans and no mentioning to Fyrom except the last slogan that is already known. Why Fyromians cry?? There is not even one court in the world that will give them right on their screams. We know what we shout.. By the way Superalbanian, there is not even one chance for strike from Greece. Greece is in EU. EU prospers... does not starts wars. Now, if Americans put ideas in Fyromian minds... I would love to see it in action... Bulgaria would be interested if Greece or anybody else had in mind to conquer land. I assure you.. not even 1 cm from their land interests us.. (ok.. Monastiri does not counts ) Also, Bulgarians know very well that if Greece will loose the case with Fyrom... they will be the next. They're smart... they let us take the snake out of the hole.. But again, even if Bulgaria, Albania, Fyrom and the whole Balkans peninsula decides to attack Greece today silmutaneously... I think the outcome will not be good for the "alliance". I dont pay 5% of my salary since I was born so as to loose from some Migs and some rotten tanks..
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Post by kartadolofonos on Oct 31, 2008 17:52:50 GMT -5
Fyrom have a night mare
Greek military training near Greek Macedonian----Fyrom border Greek Army come here, surround all the villages near the Greek Fyrom border with tanks and stay here for weeks, sometimes months. in front of*greek military training field. two nights ago, villagers in Fyrom did not sleep. Fyomanians fears an Greek Invasion and ring with Church Bells after 1 F16 fly near the Greek-Fyrom border and a huge Greek Army convoy training near the border ;D
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 1, 2008 10:27:56 GMT -5
Next Greek Military Parade will be held in Monastiri ;D
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Nov 3, 2008 7:58:42 GMT -5
I think Turkey itself has the upper hand of finishing Greece if outside help was not involved... Yes you give 5% tax but Turkey has a size of probably both Germany and France put together and a popullation of 80 million putting their taxes on thier forces. Bulgaria also has a chance of finishing Greece. Maybe Serbia could get somewhere and do some damage but sooner or later they would get crushed by the Greeks.
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 3, 2008 8:19:32 GMT -5
^^^ And that is the perception we need to keep I love being the underdog...it makes our victories soooo much nicer to enjoy
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 3, 2008 9:54:15 GMT -5
The Greeks can take anyone out in the region. We all know what the Greek spririt can do.
"üpou e doxa kai to katheekon/where glory calls, duty lies"
Numbers mean nothing to us.
“Because only we, contrary to the Barbarians, never count the enemy in battle”
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 3, 2008 10:07:03 GMT -5
^ I love that last quote....
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 3, 2008 11:38:45 GMT -5
All this by a guy who calls himself 'super' coming from the most poorest country in Europe..go figure that one out...
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Post by albillyrian on Nov 3, 2008 13:08:45 GMT -5
Will Greece attack Fyrom??? Don't be silly guys! The greek soldiers are playing near the border, they have no plan to attack.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 3, 2008 14:47:04 GMT -5
playing ? = military training is to different things
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 3, 2008 17:11:28 GMT -5
Superalbanian "I think Turkey itself has the upper hand of finishing Greece if outside help was not involved... Yes you give 5% tax but Turkey has a size of probably both Germany and France put together and a popullation of 80 million putting their taxes on thier forces." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know Turks are really many... but they were many also when the Greek kicked them out of Balkans and when the Greeks were 40 km out of Ankara deep in Anatolia.. Persians were 100 times more in ancient Greece. Italians were 5 times more during WW2 in modern Greece. We're addicted to fight with more We cannot operate in a different way.. Its deep in our consiouss.. We need it!! Many means nothing. Beleive me. Ask the 150 million Arabs who lost in 6 days from 5 million Israelis. Numbers are nothing when America decides to help somebody... and unfortunately.. America will decide to help Turks. Thats the only reason we gonna lose. Not the numbers. But what I can guarantee is that loss will be payed back in a harsh way. Turkey may be the winners with the help of US... but they will get back in the stone age. They will never feel happy about their victory... and they know that. That is why they just speak speak speak but they never attack. They're Turks.. you know very well what Turk means. iIf they were sure for themselves they would have attack 10 times until now. Bulgaria also has a chance of finishing Greece. Maybe Serbia could get somewhere and do some damage but sooner or later they would get crushed by the Greeks." ---------------------------------------------------------------- dont say bs. Get serious..
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Post by Ivanov on Nov 5, 2008 11:33:16 GMT -5
If Greece attacks the fyromaniacs, we will all stand and applaud! But this is unlikely to happen. Fyrom now is an US dominion.
Bulgaria will never unite with these two for whatever reason, their "armies" are 1% of our one in terms of equipment. The only external problem for our security lies to the south east. Btw, the Russian tanks and Migs are not that bad.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2008 12:22:19 GMT -5
The population difference between Turkey and Greece at the time were not anywhere near what they were today. They were far closer to each other. In fact the Greek army outnumbered the Turkish one and Turks also had to face simulatenous invasions from the Brits and French not to mention the fighting that Turkey had to do in the east against Armenians. All in all, its no surprise Greece did so well.... they were fighting a surrounded enemy. However, what about the Greco-Turkish war of 1897 In 30 days Turkey not only crushed Greece, but it would have occupied large tracts of Greece along with Crete had it not been forced to withdraw by the European community...
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 5, 2008 12:34:53 GMT -5
“Because only we, contrary to the Barbarians, never count the enemy in battle” - Aeschylus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1897)[edit] Opposing forces Mountain gun of Greek army in 1897 Field gun of Greek army in 1897The Greek army was made of 3 divisions with 2 of them taking positions in Thessaly and one in Arta, Epirus. The heir to the throne Crown prince Constantine I was the only general in the army hence he took command of the forces in 25th of March. The Greek army in Thessaly consisted of 38,000 men 500 cavalry and 96 guns while that of Epirus was made of 16,000 men and 40 guns.The opposing Ottoman army was consisted of 8 infantry divisions and one cavalry. In Thessaly front it could count on 92,500 men, 1300 cavalry and 186 guns while in Epirus it could field 29,000 men and 24 guns. Also the Ottoman army was under the guidance of a German military mission under general Baron von der Goltz. who had reorganized it after the defeat in the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878). Ethem Pasha had the overall command of the Ottoman forces. Apart from the evident difference in numbers, the two sides had also significant differences in the quality of armaments. The Ottoman Army was already equipping with their second generation of smokeless powder repeater rifles (Mauser Models 1890 and 1893) while the Greeks were equipped with the much inferior single shot Gras rifle.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 5, 2008 12:43:19 GMT -5
Aeschylus was full on something on that one since Greek historiography is filled with numbers... fantastic numbers actually. You only have to look at the claims to 5 million in Herodotus, 1 million Persians in Arrian, and many more.
And Greece was on the defensive in such a position. I always stated that if Greece fights a defensive war in its own land, owing to the harsh terrain and small passes, it could hold out against a much larger army quite well.
But in this case it shows how efficiently the Turkish army worked.
During the invasion of 1920, the Brits and French occupied some very fertile parts of Anatolia, which shut off the Turks from some much needed supplies. Not to mention the region had been the hotbed of major wars resulting in a very serious decline in the Turkish population due to both war and disease.
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 5, 2008 12:51:19 GMT -5
yes....we love numbers ( mathematics, astronomy, science ) but in battle its been proven we discard it. Just to inform you...the brits and allies also cut our ammo off. As soon as they found out we were going for it all in anatolia. They cut us off.... the turks werent the only ones that got their supplies cut off by the brits Italy for one...wasnt too happy of a greater Greece. For obvious reasons
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Post by albillyrian on Nov 5, 2008 14:20:32 GMT -5
Bulgaria will never unite with these two for whatever reason, their "armies" are 1% of our one in terms of equipment. The only external problem for our security lies to the south east. Btw, the Russian tanks and Migs are not that bad. Is Bulgaria a superpower??? What kind of moderns arms have you? How many soldiers? How many tanks and planes?
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